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goatface posted:^^ Didn't K XIV sink a half dozen decent sized ships in the space of a few months, or something similar?  Not just in a few months, in one day.
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I thought Fred sank with all hands some time ago.
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Goetta posted:Have another kid and show both of them really hosed up comparison charts between the two each month Okay son, here's where you are at the end of this month. And here's where I was at the end of this month when I was a baby.
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Davin Valkri posted:So if Chungking is Japan's Kaifeng, what will be its weird "KIAfeng" nickname? "Chungkilling"? ChungKIAng
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If anything, the long retreat of the Japanese from Midway to Hiroshima over the course of three years just highlights their astonishing advance in the first six months of the war. We read all this stuff about how they barely had any merchant marine, they had no anti-sub defences, the different branches of their military were in open war with each other, as soon as they were getting involved in carrier-on-carrier battles they were losing ships left and right, they didn't have damage control procedures, they had a decisive industrial disadvantage that only got compounded as the war went on, and on and on and on, and then you remember how they took over half the Pacific Ocean, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Burma in the course of six months before the Allies could start pushing them back, and you wonder how on Earth they got so far in the first place, and then you realize the Allies were just as incompetent, at least at the beginning of the war. One of the greatest things to come out of the explosion of myths about the quality of the Japanese and German militaries is a recognition that the Allies could be really loving stupid and terrible and we're all very lucky they had such a decisive industrial advantage.
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The American Legion which sunk today was actually a very interesting ship in real life. Originally designed as a World War I troop transport, the war ended before she was laid down in early 1919 and so she was initially converted for civilian service, a role she filled until November 1939 when she was transferred back to the War Department for use as a troop transport. After spending a few months ferrying troops between the Eastern Seaboard, Puerto Rico, and the Panama Canal Zone, the American Legion was given a special mission in August 1940. She made a round trip to Petsamo, northern Finland, where she embarked 897 refugees from various European countries including Crown Princess Märtha of Norway and her three children. As a secret part of her mission, the American Legion also took onboard a Bofors 40mm antiaircraft gun which had been transported the entire length of Sweden by truck to reach Petsamo. The American Legion left Petsamo on 16 August 1940 and was the last neutral ship allowed out of the port. The secretly transported Bofors gun would be analyzed, reverse-engineered, and eventually adopted by the United States Navy (domestically produced, of course) for use on its own ships from late 1942 onward. The American Legion continued her role as a troop transport afterwards, ferrying troops, planes, and supplies to the Panama Canal Zone and Reykjavik, before being commissioned as a Navy ship in August 1941, after which time she continued to play a role in the Battle of the Atlantic. She was transferred to the Pacific Theatre in April 1942. The American Legion took part in the invasion of Guadalcanal, evacuated survivors after the Battle of Savo Island, spent a year making supply runs to various South Pacific islands, and finally took part in the invasion of Bougainville. She returned to the mainland US at the end of 1943 and became an amphibious training ship at Coronado, California until the end of the war. The American Legion earned two battle stars for her service, was decommissioned in March 1946, and was sold for scrap in February 1948.  USAT American Legion entering San Juan Bay, 1940
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tunapirate posted:Since we're discussing the merits of WW2 reputations, did the Italians do anything right? Besides having the prettiest planes Switching sides when they saw which way the wind was blowing.
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Aug 28, 2016 18:06
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Night10194 posted:Surrendering in 1943 was legitimately a good idea. Exactly. The Italians were bad at war but good at knowing when to give up.  Grey is a bit behind schedule sinking the Empress of Asia, historically she was sunk by Japanese planes on 5 February 1942 just off Singapore while taking soldiers and supplies there to reinforce the defence. Despite the fact that almost all the people on board were evacuated by other ships in her convoy, all of the materiel and supplies on board were lost. Since Singapore fell just ten days later, it's hard to say Empress of Asia would have made a big difference in the end. She didn't look quite so pretty after being set on fire by Japanese bombs: 
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Aug 28, 2016 19:35
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 The USS Long Island (CVE-1) was the first ever escort carrier of the United States Navy. Built on a cargo ship hull, she was commissioned in the summer of 1941 and initially used as an experimental ship to test the feasibility of flying aircraft off converted cargo ships. Apparently a lot of this data was very useful for the later production of escort carriers ("baby flattops") by the USN. Most of Long Island's activities during the war were pilot training stateside and ferrying aircraft, most notably carrying the first aircraft (19 Wildcats and 12 Dauntlesses) to Henderson Field on Guadalcanal in August 1942. She survived the war and was sold off in 1947, at which point she was converted into a passenger ship and served in this role until 1966, when she was purchased by Rotterdam University and used as a student hostel until finally being scrapped in 1977.  Long Island ferrying aircraft, a much more common role than actual combat operations. So here Grey has come out ahead of history by sinking a ship that historically survived--though, also, that historically was never really involved in combat operations.
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RA Rx posted:I don't know man, it's a CVE. They can die from an errant bomb. And it's just north of Rabaul so pretty far from Allied bases.
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Sep 6, 2016 12:25
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What the hell is the Long Island even doing there?
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Sep 7, 2016 00:41
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It was all a cunning plan to infiltrate the Allied POW camps behind enemy lines and then attack when they least expect it.
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Sep 12, 2016 12:35
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Two big liner sinkings today. The RMS Arundel Castle entered service in 1921 for the Union-Castle Line that ran passenger and mail ships between Europe and Africa. When built, she and her sister ship the Windsor Castle were the only four-funnel liners not built for transatlantic service. In 1937 she was refitted: the ship was lengthened, given a more raked bow, her four funnels were reduced to two, and her speed was increased from 17 to 20 knots. At 19,000 tons she could carry almost 1,200 passengers. Arundel Castle served as a troop ship during the second world war in the Mediterranean, so I'm not sure what she's doing so far from home. She survived the war and was scrapped in Hong Kong in 1959.  Arundel Castle after her 1937 refit  The SS Moreton Bay also entered service in 1921 for the Aberdeen & Commonwealth Line to transport passengers between London and Brisbane. At 14,000 tons she could make 15 knots carrying around 550 passengers. She was converted to an armed merchant cruiser in 1939 and a troop ship in 1941. She participated in the Madagascar, North African, and European campaigns. Like the Arundel Castle, she survived the war and returned to passenger service before being scrapped in 1957. So these are two very good kills for Grey, big troop ships that historically survived the war. Though they were primarily in the European theatre so I'm not sure how much good it will do him in the long run.
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Sep 26, 2016 14:35
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Is Chokai stuck on the Great Barrier Reef or something? It's been in that same hex southeast of Cairns for three days now.
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 Chokai was built in 1932 in Nagasaki. She was 15,780 tons with an armament of ten 8-inch guns and 4 5-inch guns, up to 66 antiaircraft guns, and eight deck-mounted launchers for the Long Lance torpedo. She had a long history in the Pacific War, participating in the invasions of Malaya and Indonesia, and the Indian Ocean Raid. In mid-July 1942 she was named the flagship of the Japanese Eighth Fleet for the Solomon Islands campaign and took part in a number of naval battles during the battle for Guadalcanal, including Savo Island, where Chokai participated in the sinking of four Allied heavy cruisers. Following the loss of Guadalcanal to the Americans Chokai proceeded back to Japan for minor duties before participating in the Battles of the Philippine Sea and Leyte Gulf. Chokai was sunk in the Battle off Samar, one of the finest moments of the American Navy. Engaging a force of destroyers, destroyer escorts, and escort carriers, Admiral Kurita's fleet was driven off by the ferocity of their defence. During their approach, a 5-inch shell from the escort carrier USS White Plains hit Chokai's torpedo launchers and detonated the volatile pure-oxygen-fueled torpedoes, which knocked out the ship's rudder and engines. Moments later an American airplane dropped a 500-pound bomb on her forward machinery room, crippling the ship and starting fires. She was abandoned and scuttled later in the day and her survivors transferred to the destroyer Fujinami. However, two days later the Fujinami sank with no survivors, making Chokai one of the largest ships sunk in the Pacific War with all hands lost. Interesting bit of trivia, the Chokai is one of the deepest shipwrecks in the world at approximately 8,100 metres below sea level.  Chokai from the front, where you can see the distinctive Japanese superstructure style vyelkin fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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the_seventh_cohort posted:A mock up based on steinrokkan's color scheme: This is good and very easy to follow even for us colourblind folk.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:I'm really hoping that Grey doesn't catch the carriers he's spotted and it turns out the exciting thing he's referred to is that he's finally managed to down a B-17. His stealth invasion of Anchorage is going according to plan.
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Nov 14, 2016 23:41
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Ron Jeremy posted:I meant the game victory conditions. Actually, if anything we probably overestimate Japan's chances.  http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm Jonathan Parshall of Shattered Sword fame has a good writeup here of just how hosed Japan was. In every kind of war production they were far behind the US alone, let alone with the UK and USSR included. Unless they were sinking ten Allied ships for every one they lost, in every naval battle and encounter, indefinitely, there was a literally zero percent chance of them achieving a favourable outcome, especially when you consider that Germany lost so after August 1945 the entire warmaking potential of the US, UK, and USSR, any one of which could have economically overpowered the Japanese, would have been directed at destroying them.
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Nov 22, 2016 21:24
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Crazycryodude posted:Did the Allies just try to land an unsupported base force and nothing else at Luganville? I don't think these are invasions so much as defections... An unsupported Royal New Zealand Air Force base force.  A couple dozen Kiwi clerks and mechanics were just chucked at thousands of prepared Japanese marines.
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Hey let's be fair, we all remember that time in real life when the Japanese just straight up invaded Singapore from the sea.
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Maybe it would have been better to delay this invasion until after taking Noumea airfield.
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Jan 30, 2017 23:39
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I think the big thing is that if Grey can keep killing them piecemeal as they show up in ones and twos, then he has a very slim chance of preventing them getting to critical mass of overwhelming him with numbers.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Wait the allies just get a new carrier whenever they lose one? What kind of poo poo is that? Does it just appear in alameda or something and just have to drive out back to the battle? It's to represent the fact that there wasn't actually a limit to how many aircraft carriers the US would have built if the Pacific War had gone on longer and they had been needed. The Japanese military in real life probably thought it was pretty unfair how well the Americans were able to replace lost ships too.
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Ron Jeremy posted:So the only real impact is losing experienced aircrews? Assuming they can't find an alternate landing spot? Well, also that you get another year and a half with one fewer US carrier.
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Ron Jeremy posted:Weren't irl b17s next to useless in bombing targets less than cities? There are a lot of cities in Japan.
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TehKeen posted:
Damage control teams are currently igniting the fore magazine as a firebreak to stop the spread of fire from the aft magazine.
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I knew this game was insane but I didn't realize it tracked individual LCVPs, god drat. That's like it tracking the individual lifeboats on each ship.
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Velius posted:Honolulu and St Louis are modern CLs, better than anything the Japanese get except for the Mogami in its CL configuration. That's a really good pair of ships to sink. Indiana is a brand new battleship too, she only entered active service in November 1942.
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If anything, the loss of 250 guns and 150 vehicles might be even worse than losing 3,000 men.
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For comparison, a single shell for one of the Yamato's 18-inch guns weighed about 1.5 tons. So a salvo from one of her triple turrets would have been equivalent to about 1.5% of the AM Advent's entire ship weight, only in explosives instead of metal.
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MA-Horus posted:I'm just waiting for the penultimate GH moment when the Yamato or Musashi are sunk in Taffy 3 style by torpedoes from escorts or something dumb like that It'll turn out he accidentally sortied one of them unescorted as like a submarine patrol or something, and then they'll sink San Francisco.
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The yellow press told them that Luganville was the key to the Pacific and a mass popular outcry forces them to keep attacking it. Now that they've lost like 15,000 troops doing so, the outcry has shifted to "We can't let all those marines drown for nothing" so they just keep going, but they keep rushing every invasion in an attempt to mollify the public.
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goatface posted:Washington's been out of the yard for how long? Commissioned 15 May 1941.
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Seems like a rip-off that you don't get to see the battleships in your sunk ships screen even when they're reported on the same day.
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goatface posted:Shore bombardment. A Yamato shell will make quick work of a Sherman tank so we don't need anti-tank guns. - the IJN, probably
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RZApublican posted:And it's also worth mentioning that the Wikipedia article lists them as being roughly comparable to a T-34 on top of already being on a somewhat level playing field to the regular M4 Sherman, so if Grey makes them in large numbers he may actually manage to hold on to Manchuria as long as he moves a lot of his forces in China there before the invasion starts. The problem with trying to hold Manchuria is that while your Type 3 might be equivalent to a T-34 and going all-out you might manage to get 2,000 Type 3s total by late 1945, the Soviets had something like 5,000 T-34s in the invasion of Manchuria.
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Stago Lego posted:So only 30,000 times heavier than the average goon. By this point pretty good, Grey pulled off a reverse Midway by sinking those US carriers and continues to pick off important Allied ships as they trickle into theatre piecemeal. By this point in real life the IJN was already a shell of its former self thanks to the loss of some really important ships and aircrews, and Grey has mostly managed to avoid that which means he'll be more capable of contesting Allied landings in the future. To actually win he'll need a few more decisive battle victories, but it's certainly possible for him to hold out longer than historical Japan at this point.
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whitewhale posted:'Quick stomp that fire out with this half full fuel tank!'. The way to stop this fire from spreading is to build a firebreak out of Long Lances
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There'll be Japanese stories about American sailors trapped on South Pacific islands who still think the war is going on in the 70s.
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