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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Good luck on getting the carrier. Is it normal for the AI to send the Allied carriers on long range individual raids? I know that the US did so a few times in 1942 before Coral Sea in places like the Marshalls, but does the AI do a lot of this with the USN?

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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
About how long you estimate till your own carriers are in range to engage then if you had an idea for how long before htey hit the area ready for a fight?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Good luck with the building up of the airbases!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Nice sweep. Some small things but not bad ones!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Congrats, hopefully that will lead to some nice kills. Is that a convoy or an attack force you think?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Wow, congratulations! You have four cruisers to potentially maul and a bunch of ships to shoot. All you need now is to manage to catch thier carrier task forces under the guns of the Yamato and all will be complete!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Ow, that's a lot of dead planes.. How goes your research, production, and pilot training pools?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Not bad. Congrats on mauling the Allies Navy some and hopefully thrwarting thier buildup a bit. Good luck with getting the IJN and Army ready for future offensive operations.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Good luck and hope you get a lot of tanker kills in the next couple of days. And is there any real way to get a lot of your single ship cargo runs to be escorted by real low end craft like corvettes within the system or not really?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Cool, thanks for the reply!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Nice, good luck with the convoy mauling - and are the carriers ready for the offensive and fully refitted/rearmed or you just sending out a squadron that's fully setup or mostly capable or the full strength? Regardless, nice set of kills and good luck brutalizing the Allies!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Also whoo, carrier battle! Good luck if you can get in some strikes tomorrow! is it worth it to detatch the damaged ships for now to send back to port or wait for the battle to be over?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
One Japanese Carrier, one LIght Carrier, one Light Cruiser, two oilers for two American carriers. Plus the transports they hit on the way out. Goin gto be pursuing them Grey or sending the ships back to port? Or splitting up the damaged ones to send them to the dockyards while the others pursue? Does this count generally as a Draw for us?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Cool! misread that earlier, thanks! So is this fight tactically a draw on losses mostly?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
So the Americans (I think) probably have two functioning carriers that can perform flight ops with however many CAP losses they've taken. Depending on whether they escort the Yorktown back or not or flee, and if they have enough fighters/AA left to hold off the raids - also assuming that they can be pinpointed enough for some large air raids against them and they do some damage.

Will the entire Kido Butai likely withdraw or try to chase after the Americans if that's a possibility or not? Or have the Americans broken off the engagement enough by now it'd be a waste of fuel to pace them?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Ow, that's a lot of soldiers. So you've taken out two US Carriers at the cost of one of your own and one light carrier. On theother hand, the AMericans still clearly have enough planes operational to launch largescale raids left so further engagement is going to be messy.

So with the remaining damaged ships, are you keeping them with the KB or did you detatch them to send them back to port? As it looks like you're keeping up with the engagement.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Interesting. Going to be continuously a messy next few days..

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013

Cantorsdust posted:

Holy poo poo we're actually going to have a battleship on battleship battle without any carriers in World War loving 2.

Did that ever actually happen in real life?

There was the Battle fo Surgao Straight (I think) in the Phillipines during the Battle of Leyte Gulf where the advancing Japanese Battleships engaged an American fleet which included (I believe) one or two Battleships that were refloated from Pearl Harbor.

Also there were a number of surface actions around Guadalcanal where Japanese and American BB's ran intoone another but they were night battles.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Wow Dayumn. Two American Carriers, two American BB's. Not a bad haul all things considered. there any signs of the American CV's still being in the theatre or they making a run for Pearl?

So, all things considered, what are the total casualties for each side (generally) in planes and ships the last few days and estimated repair times assuming there's not more back and forth raiding going on?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
So, a victory at sea (of a sort). Two Allied carriers sunk, two older Battleships - and a few lighter craft. Downside is loss of one carrier and a light carrier, several ships damaged and out of action for a bit, and the invasion put off again. Upside is the Allies seem to have only one CV left which could have taken a pounding to it's air group based on losses so probably won't be active anytime soon, which just leaves any CVE's and CVL's they might have in the theatre active for the time being, which gives you time to refit - until they start pumpingout Essexes by the dozen!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Congrats and good luck! Nicely played so far and do appreciate the tons of work you put into this Grey! It's always a fun read late in the evening to come in and see your update. Amazing game so far and hope it keeps on going! Good luck with fortifying the Pacific and further shenanigans whatever you get to work on.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Huh, yeah on that operational loss. Looks weird. Congrats though - that still seems to be another air group out of action at the very least.

And it doesn't seem like (at least in the pictures of the air battle) that the Enterprise took any significant hits - even while withdrawing she was doing airstrikes on some of the nearby convoys.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013

Night10194 posted:

Enterprise got torpedoed and took at least one bomb.

Sweet, missed that. Congrats Grey if so - three Allied carriers out then!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Wow, that's a nice couple oilers there. How's your own oil situation holding up otherwise Grey? And the fleet made it back to the dockyards for repairs okay or still going there?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
What would the carrier likely be? A CV or a CVL? And in any case, which one? Assuming it's not Enterprise. Could it be Ranger or something else?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Holy.. Futz. Grey you glorious Sunnuva. My hat is off.

Enterprise is brutalized, so only Lexington has planes (probably). With no escorts even if you have to withdraw some of your TF's you can hopefully catch her. Congratulations. WOW.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Also ow - is the Mutsu going to make it or not, she looks sorta worked over. She going to be detatched and sent back to port or you going to keep her with the main assault fleet?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Also my general knowledge of the CVE's is that they were a lot slower as well, so if they're in a fleet they will massively in turn limit the speed that said fleet can make while cruising or in a combat zone. And are the Royal Navy's Carriers still considered to be available in the game or not historically at this point? I think some of the earlier ones were prone to being transferred out (at least per Grey's other games).

So I guess of those maybe only the Hermes is actually useful in a fleet action given she can keep up with the main fleet and she doesn't have that many planes. And a battle group that can only make 18-22 knots at flank speed is not going to be really mobile, which will make it really easy to bring overhwelming assets to bear on it (at least by my general understanding of the top speed of the CVE's).

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Still congrats! Looks like you not only took out both carriers, but possibly almost every single one of thier escorts in the fleet as well. I'm.. Not sure if there are any survivors left of the American task force at all other than an odd DD or two.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
How are the Americans when it comes to putting out replacement pilots? Also I suppose the several months of less than severe air actions if the American carriers have been mauled means that Grey also has some time to upgrade his own planes and build up a reserve of pilots as well. He has hopefully a few months where he can upgrade and build up his reserves - maybe even upgrade some of his ships (if the Japanese can do that to any degree with thier mainstays).

Assuming that Hornet is still around (I think someone said she was earlier in the thread) that means the Americans have one CV and several CVEs/CVLs left until next year.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
For those of us unfamiliar with the game, how does the IJN handle escorts and sub-hunting in general given thier historical inability to do it effectively? Are there ways to improve the setup wtihout driving oneself insane with the UI?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Congrats! Pretty successful month. What are the odds you took out the Lexington and the Enterprise? Reasonably sure on that or there a chance they could have managed to slip away even with all the damage they took given I assume you've still been searching in the area wtih your surface fleets the last couple of days with no contacts?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Still nice conclusion to the Battle of Milne Bay campaign! A brutal slugfest that leaves most of the Allied Carrier fleet sank to the depths, possibly an entire task force obliterated - it will be interesting to see over th enext couple of weeks as reports trickle in and sinkings are confirmd, and we see if any of the CV's got away or not. It worth it to increase some patrols at Pearl harbor with subs to see if you catch anything on teh way back in?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
If there's anything left in that bay.. Good luck Grey!

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013

bunnyofdoom posted:

There's plenty left. On the bottom.

So is the goal to send the rest of the things that aren't on the bottom down to it for completion?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
So how many carriers worth of planes have the Allies had as 'operational losses'?

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013

Crazycryodude posted:

All of them. The ones that matter, at least, they've probably got some garbage CVE's and such left.

So theoretical best possible circumstances Enterprise and Lexington are alive but burning wrecks so will spend months being refitted and have all thier air groups dead so they'll be facing us if they do again with completely green air crews, and maybe Hornet is out there (I think someone said on an earlier page she was still alive).

So best possible possibilities for the Allies is they have one intact CV with airgroup, two badly mauled ones that will spend months being repaired, and a bunch of light ships that they'll probably feed to us one by one.

Well, plus all thier non blown up BB's.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Also, is it worth it using all the saved politicl points to replace leaders and get units or that require a lot more micro'ing than is really worth it with the game?

Also congrats, even on a slow day with gradually getting the carriers up and going and taking down a heavy bomber.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Any luck from sending the surface task force to sweep Milne Bay or they still cruising on thier way?

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wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
Curoius why Lexington was reported before Enterprise.. The Ent seems a lot likelier to have sunk first given how much of a mauling she took. But nice! And you took out a sub too! if it was a Dutch one it would've been even better! But nice - so what's the next strategic plan after the fleets are repaired then Grey?

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