Tweak posted:

9-9 football game looks pretty ok right about now

MagicCube posted:

When's TNA on? I need a palette cleanser after this.

Pariah Rex posted:

This may be the worst television of all time.

DudeDeuce posted:

Never thought I'd pray for a John Cena return.

Another Person posted:

pissing myself laughing at whatever the gently caress this is supposed to be

Zyla posted:

so this is what it is like to feel moments from death, begging for release

good to know

Erebus posted:

John Cena I officially apologize for all the times I wanted you off the TV

Fat Lowtax posted:

They should have honestly ended the show with Dreamer/Strowman I

That DICK! posted:

Seriously why is no one else lmaoing at the fact that the dude inadvertently gets a chant over and gets so excited about it that he instantly ruins it by blundering an ad lib

ijii posted:

WWE continues to be baffled why ratings keep going down.

Hace posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_nPp64OrBc

Eltoasto posted:

I promise i'll buy the ppv if you end this. please

Zyla posted:

PLEASE END

SamuraiFoochs posted:

Until Vince is literally dead and we still get promos like that last one I will not believe said promos don't have Vince's stink all over them. Like seriously even before HHH "took over", Cena had the same "voice" in his promos. It's the same writing, and you have to be half dead to not notice it. It's how Vince scripts his top faces, period.

Also yes, the tater tots thing was stupid but hey it got over, and the spear was good, so if the segment as a whole was tightened up in every way it would've been fine. The problem was that it dragged. And dragged. And dragged.

MotU posted:

i miss batista

SamuraiFoochs posted:

How many times do we have to have this (rather stupid) discussion? HHH being a mark for himself is indisputable and bad, but is nowhere near as bad as a lot of Vince's issues. It's a pick your poison type scenario. Also HHH promos>Vince-scripted Reigns and Cena and everything else promos.

The #1 difference between Vince and HHH is that HHH, by most accounts, trusts people to do their own jobs.

projecthalaxy posted:

So what is the card for TLC?

Wyatts vs ECW: Table Elimination Match
Charlotte vs Paige : Divas Championship Match
ADR vs Swagger: Chairs Match (assumed)
Owens vs Ambrose: Intercontinental Title Match
New Day vs Usos vs Lucha Dragons: Ladder Match for Tag Titles
Roman vs Sheamus: TLC Match for WWE WHC

Am I missing anything? It'll probably be another good card with bad writing.

GrimGypsy posted:

Remember how for like 30 seconds when the Wyatts first appeared, the crowd began to legitimately lose their poo poo and everyone thought something crazy and unexpected and interesting was unfolding?



Also, did anyone notice the significant amount of empty seats in the crowd during that last segment? I'm not sure if it's people not coming in the first place or people leaving early, but either way seems kinda bad.

Needs More Ditka posted:

i'd like to thank Dolph Ziggler and the ensuing commercial break for being so unbelievably boring that I fell asleep and didn't wake up until ten minutes ago and was spared of everything you guys are talking about.

Blooming Brilliant posted:

Someone once said "If you make your opponent out as nothing, and then you beat him, what have you achieved? Nothing."

CobiWann posted:

Two horrible live promos from Roman Reigns and I bet he'll still keep getting pushed.

"Four ropes," and Cesaro goes nowhere...

CobiWann posted:

Weird post, so please bear with me.

I’ve been watching a lot of old school 1970’s era Doctor Who lately. Right now I’m going through the stories that are considered to be the show’s “Golden Age” in the mid 70’s with Tom Baker as the Fourth Doctor. The producer/showrunner at the time was a man named Philip Hinchcliffe, who helped put together a run of stories that still pop up on “Best Of” lists even today. The behind-the-scenes features on the DVD’s are fascinating to me as they talk about how the episodes came together, how the script was written, how the crew did the sets, and so on. Even though the special effects were dodgy and there was a good number of “man in a rubber suit” aliens, a lot of these stories still pop up on “Best Of” lists even today. What really struck me was this line from Hinchcliffe.


THIS is where I think the WWE is screwing up right now. The writers (and Vince, and maybe HHH) are so concerned with telling a good WWE story that they’re failing to tell a good story period. To them, the WWE is the brand, and right now Roman Reigns is the face (or face-in-waiting). So everything that the WWE is focused on producing right now is done with the sole goal of getting Reigns over and telling HIS story, aka the WWE’s story. It’s “Roman Reigns and Company.” It’s Dean Ambrose, “Roman Reigns’ buddy.” It’s the Usos, “Roman Reigns’ cousins.” It’s “how do we make Reigns look strong.” It’s not “how to we tell a good Roman Reigns story” because those stories would involve Reigns looking weak, or Reigns looking like he can’t pull it off. When Reigns can’t pull it off, it’s because of outside forces like Sheamus. And even when Sheamus is actually looking pretty good and surrounds himself with a group of like-minded villains…the story isn’t about “can Reigns overcome the villains to get to Sheamus?” It’s “can Reigns beat Sheamus?” Except he has, per last night’s opening and closing segments on RAW.

The WWE is so concerned with telling one story that they’re neglecting the others. They have a good staff of wrestlers on hand. You have amazing talents like Adrian Neville and Kevin Owens. The Miz might not be the best in-ring performer but he can douchebag it up like no one’s business. Name me a better smack talker in the WWE than Wade Barrett. Name me someone who is more scary and intimidating than Luke Harper. The crowd WANTS Antonio Cesaro to swing people, they want Sasha Banks to walk all over the Divas division. The only thing the WWE is doing correctly right now is the New Day and that’s because they’re just letting them run with the ball and do whatever they want. And they have a good crew. The production crew who put together the videos and montages are some of the best in the business, and if you toned down Kevin Dunn’s camera direction there are some amazing shots and moments that get put on screen.

But that’s not the story the WWE wants to tell. They want to talk about Roman Reigns. And if someone else looks to be getting over, they’re either 50/50’d into parity or take the pinfall loss in multi-man matches so, hey, Roman still looks good. Hell, Roman Reigns is a great rear end-kicker. Just let him punch people, look intimidating, and smug it up a bit for the camera. We don’t need “tater tots” or “magic beans.”

The GDT last night talked about “what the hell do we watch this show?” For me, it’s out of habit and it’s background noise while I do something else. But with all the pieces the WWE has, there HAS to be something good about to happen. The WWE has to luck into something good soon and I’m just dumb enough to hope that they’ll actually do something with it instead of fighting the tide the entire time. It’s statistically harder to be this bad for this long than to NOT accidentally do something amazing.

Delsaber posted:

Howling Man posted:

describe raw from last night with a bad christmas song so i know what i missed

Strawberry Panda posted:

At least Christmas Smackdown should be fun.

Chromatic posted:

Hell, they could do everything right and it still might not stop wrestling in general from being this weird niche interest that only appeals to a tiny amount of people.

Chromatic posted:

Fair enough but I'm talking about it becoming the 2015 equivalent of polka music.

StarkRavingMad posted:

The unicorn horns apparently sold out in under 5 hours

Delsaber posted:

2.5 is the kind of number that kills most sci-fi/fantasy shows. Luckily this is wrestling, so it's more like anime.

Oh Snapple! posted:

No we're loving not.

abraham linksys posted:

New Day will actually not get stale for at least another year or two with this gimmick, imho

maybe they don't need 20 minutes of promo time every Raw (though it's better than any offered alternative) but it's fine, don't panic and continue to watch all of their youtube clips every week instead of Raw

The New Day Show featuring their buddies Team BAD, only on USA

oatgan posted:

Its not that I want less New Day I just wish literally anything else was as good as New Day

Hace posted:

There's no point in bringing anyone up from nxt because they won't actually do anything with them

Claytor posted:

This is important. In the last couple of weeks they've been releasing guys from their contracts who are already on the roster and able to work. You'd think someone like Brad Maddox would have gotten TV time just to serve as a warm body in a six man tag.

Hyun. posted:

Wait. This happened? Is there a video?

projecthalaxy posted:

Wasn't Ambrose's comfort zone for most of his career hitting people with light tubes and stuff?

Fat Lowtax posted:

If they brought K-Fed back in 2015 he'd still get heat. Miss that dude.

Alain Post posted:

Roman was barely pushed for like, half the summer, taking a back seat to Lesnar, Taker, Sting, and Seth Rollins. The Lex Express poo poo back in the day put the "Roman Reigns is being shoved down our throats" poo poo to shame.