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Obdicut posted:It's kind of cool thinking about the variety, actually. Ancient Egypt: Just a fuckton of waxing and waning over thousands of years, one of the most long-lasting empires of all time, and yet there were times it barely existed, where it looked as though it would vanish. Ghenghis Kahn's empire rose like a flood, and then after his death, split into smaller but still quite stable empires. Rome: a slow local rise, a faster conquering of surrounding lands, a stagnation, a split into West and East with West resurging and falling back over and over, finally basically being absorbed by Germanic kingdoms and transforming them into a much more "Roman" one that lasted a hell of a long time itself, up until the age of gunpowder. The East changing and mutating but hanging on, sometimes basically just Byzantium. I wonder if Middle Kingdom Egypt had dudes sitting around going "you know, we really should be trying to wreck our society and everything that sustains us has hard and as fast and as destructively as possible, then the next generation will see where we all went wrong and will build a perfect new kingdom that will never die"
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SSNeoman posted:Expand on this and cite your sources. It's a pretty common theme in current political discourse. The "all government in is terrible and coercive" shtick of the right, is a the system has no validity assertion. The there is systematic racism that targets and oppresses people of color disproportionately, is a "the system has no validity assertion." Many criticism of the financial institutions responsible for the 2008 crash are "the system has no validity assertion(s)" Now some are bullshit and some pretty much true. But the theme of "the system has no validity", holy hell, variants of that are basically what everybody (but Hillary) is running on. edit: Quidam Viator posted:Out of all this rambling, I wish to draw out a single point: taken rationally, I argue that it is now simply TOO LATE to put cats back in bags, TOO LATE to halt the recursive progression of climate change, and TOO LATE to decelerate the shitshow that is American politics. We are in a downward spiral that is not simply national, but global in scale. My challenge to anyone remains the same: to formulate a counter-argument that is not just a dismissive "Oh, things always get better, and people have been yelling about the end of the world since Cicero!", but to explain in detail how we can reverse the acceleration of politics towards complete separation from the concept of the public good and sane governance. I demand that someone make a believable case for HOW we are going to convince the whole world to reverse the process of climate destruction, to fend off what India and China are going to do as their consumption increases. And most importantly, I demand that you explain how our current systems manage to solve all of these problems WITHIN their own structures, WITHOUT some grand and extremely unpleasant overturning and revolution. Choose not to despair. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Ddraig posted:I believe in Accelerationism, not because I believe or even hope that the world will suddenly realize that they've been going wrong all this time, but because I believe the human species as a whole is fundamentally unworthy of continued existence so the sooner we gently caress off and let others have a chance the better off the world, and all its inhabitants who aren't us, will be. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/secret-donald-trump-voters-speak-outquote:The Occupy protester turned Trump supporter (24, New York)
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The number of middle class, white privileged Bernie Bro supporters, threatening to not vote if their golden God isn't nominated, is terrifying. Accelerationism has become mainstream and we might be staring down the barrel of another conservative regression as a result.
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Famethrowa posted:The number of middle class, white privileged Bernie Bro supporters, threatening to not vote if their golden God isn't nominated, is terrifying. I don't think there are enough of these naval gazers to make a significant impact on the election. There may well enough people who are closetedly racist enough to take Trump's promise of maintaining the social safety net for Us at face value and pull the lever.
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Soon you could have your God - you can make it with your own hands. If enough individuals were socially conscious on the 'Values And Lifestyles' index we could have a good faith society - the ecumenical holding company. But I fear there has been a conspiracy to mold less such people - not more.
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I'm accelerating toward the Golden Future, OP. I can't wait to stride The Wall, amongst the clouds.
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Famethrowa posted:The number of middle class, white privileged Bernie Bro supporters, threatening to not vote if their golden God isn't nominated, is terrifying. dont sweat it too much, they're the kind of 18-34s that wouldn't have voted anyway
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Xmas Dumpster Fire posted:dont sweat it too much, they're the kind of 18-34s that wouldn't have voted anyway I'll have to double check the demographics, but it was those 18-34's who constituted a decent chunk of Obama's support. I doubt they will go for Cruz/Trump, but Trump at least has hugely energized a base in a way we haven't seen since Obama's run. The same base that was pretty tepid about McCain and Romney due to their establishment "RINO" bonafides. We need all the votes we can get on the progressive side, and to see the most progressive demographic get stupidly idealistic, with so much at stake, is really worrying.
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Famethrowa posted:I'll have to double check the demographics, but it was those 18-34's who constituted a decent chunk of Obama's support. I doubt they will go for Cruz/Trump, but Trump at least has hugely energized a base in a way we haven't seen since Obama's run. The same base that was pretty tepid about McCain and Romney due to their establishment "RINO" bonafides. I wouldn't be too worried.
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Here's (another reason) why accelerationism is dumb: Egypt and Iran. In the former, revolution turned from Hosni Munarak to Muhammad Morsi to Al-Sisi today; in the latter, it turned from the Shah to Ayatollah Khomeini (provided the US shut out the possibility of a secularist like Mossadegh). Turning the former regime to ash and replacing it with something new does not automatically guarantee something better in its stead and may in fact end up with something that much harder to move away from. The political barometer does not suddenly reset to zero like resetting the mileage counter on a car; it can just shift to a position that's even harder to work to a better state from, if even at all. You have to start from where you are now and do the hard, grinding toil of making it better every step of the way and clawing every scrap of progress and not give up your ground instead of resigning yourself to waiting for complete overthrow to start from the ruins of the old order. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 4, 2016 |
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