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Doomtalker posted:Obama was supposed to bridge the divide [citation needed]
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Also most recent elections have been more about turning out the base rather than convincing an increasingly small "independent" center. Given how well Trump energizes the base (and Hillary doesn't appear to), well... Let's just say I'm certain you'll be sleeping well tonight. Just because you repeat something a lot doesn't make it true.
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Might, Might, Might. So far all you've proved is that the media likes Trump more, which is self evident for trivial reasons.
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The likely outcomes to a Trump nomination losing in the general are: 1. The Business wing having significant clout to ignore the others during the next cycle. 2. The people who backed Trump trying (and failing) to justify his loss with the Business Wing folks staying home instead of voting for him. 3. D&D getting another reason to indulge in their alcoholism because "x% of the country still voted for Trump  ". The above results would probably still happen in a GOP or a third party Trump run, but in the latter you have the people from #2 having a more convincing argument (although not really still, because it'd be Trump that split off and doomed the conservatives).
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Kilroy posted:Trump supporters are mostly just older people who were around when there was more lead in paint and in gasoline and stuff. And I guess maybe some of their kids. Has anyone actually done a demographic profile of Trump supporters? I know on the other side the age gap has been shown for Bernie. e: this is what I can find: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/09/09/who_are_trumps_supporters.html quote:First, that most of his support comes from candidates already in the race and not from newly inspired voters. Second, his campaign drew from both the front-runners and the second-tier candidates and hurt Ted Cruz among the front-runners and Rick Perry among the second-tier candidates the most. computer parts fucked around with this message at 15:08 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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Dec 17, 2015 15:04
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ocrumsprug posted:It is a blow out while 40% of the country agrees with them instead of 51%. Honestly I am not seeing how that will lead to a round of soul searching and coming to the conclusion that they are on the fringe of American society. Do you believe previous parties did soul searching and concluded they were on the fringe of society? If so, which time period do you believe they realized this, and how much did they lose an election by? What it sounds like is that you believe real change will only happen when 80+% of the nation voted against a party, but that's basically never happened. So either parties never change, or that's not a prerequisite for change.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:17
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ocrumsprug posted:Let's turn this around: What margin does Trump need to lose the general by that would make a current Trump supporter go "Hmmm, maybe the problem is me"? You're assuming that people (in general) think "if the world's against me, I must be the problem". If that were true, then leftists would've given up a long time ago.
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Dec 19, 2015 04:45
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Woolie Wool posted:If there's one thing we can learn from analyzing electoral college results, it's that the electoral college must be destroyed. The only real issues with the electoral college is that it's winner take all, and (maybe) that it's not granular enough. Otherwise it's more or less a cultural oddity like the Governor General in Canada.
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Dec 19, 2015 06:19
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Zas posted:true, but it's a cultural oddity responsible for isis No, that's the cultural oddity of wanting to drink beer with the president.
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Dec 19, 2015 06:26
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Base leftist populism was destroyed when said leftists had to admit nonwhites into their group.
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Dec 22, 2015 08:45
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OwlFancier posted:You can argue that capitalism is the primary reason for scarcity in the world today, and that a more redistributive and, er, communist system of wealth organization would greatly alleviate an overwhelming majority of human suffering. Though this depends heavily on the scope you're willing to define for capitalism and communism. Communism in theory would alleviate a lot of human suffering. Communism as historically practiced typically has not, or at least has perpetuated suffering in more unique ways. But is that truly Communism? By the same token, Capitalism as practiced today is the cause of human suffering. A more redistributive form of Capitalism (you can call this Democratic Socialism or the Nordic Model or whatever) would also alleviate a lot of human suffering. But in that case, is it still the form of Capitalism that we were talking about initially? Is everything that's not-Communism by definition Capitalism? It all depends on which definition you're willing to talk about.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:42
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OwlFancier posted:Being the a UKMT regular I would generally define both in Marxist terms, capitalism being accumulative and communism being distributive. I think a lot of leftists would disagree that there's a continuum between the two, hence the need for revolution (or a clean break).
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Dec 23, 2015 21:51
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OwlFancier posted:Did they read the book? Because Marx even says there's like, the transitional period of state ownership to redistribute wealth. In fairness, there's a recurring trend of adherents of an ideology not reading the texts that their ideology is based off of.
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Dec 24, 2015 19:58
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Maoist Pussy posted:Leftists are smart in the same way that vegans are healthy. ie, an improvement only over not paying any attention whatsoever. And even then, it's usually just propaganda. After all, the ideal leftist is a unionized prole, not an ivory tower intellectual.
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It's a shame Kyoon isn't here or we'd have a trifecta. Also on the weird pronunciation talk, kyoon is interesting because he doesn't do that even though his posting is still...unsettling, eg: quote:Campaign to eliminate World's fastest man ever (1), Usain Bolt, officially launched (2). computer parts fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jan 25, 2016 |
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