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E4C85D38 posted:Checking in as an east coast (US) dealer. I spent some time in Atlantic City and moved to a different city after things started shutting down, although as of recent I've gone back to school. I mostly did craps, but have experience in more or less all the core table games except pai-gow poker/tiles, and I got my start in blackjack and baccarat (European/UK dealers often refer to the same game as 'punto banco', presumably because a different form of baccarat still exists infrequently over there). Yeah Punto Banco is a slightly different game from Baccarat, I'm not sure of the exact differences but Punto Banco is usually lower stakes and the players don't make any choices, whereas Baccarat is usually found in the Mayfair casinos and played for high stakes and there is some degree of choice for the players, they get to rip up the cards too and have that silly paddle. E4C85D38 posted:I'm also a little curious how call bets are handled on roulette over there (in the UK)—they don't really exist here, if someone told me they wanted $15 on Tiers I'd just kind of look at them funny. French bets are very common and are what make roulette difficult/fun to deal. We only have single 0 wheels here and I think the numbers are in a different order on the double 0 wheel so I guess French bets don't even exist for those? Do you do neighbour bets at least( have a racetrack where players can give you $25 and play $5 on a number and the 2 numbers next to it on each side)? We don't really have craps over here so roulette is the most difficult game to deal in the casino, for about the first year I was there they'd only let me deal on easy games. Felt good when they eventually started taking more experienced guys off tables to put me on though. But yeah when you have a table with 4 different people playing all the colour every spin and making difficult call bets over the top of each other and you've got 20 seconds to sort all that poo poo out it can get pretty stressful but it's a lot more fun than pulling cards out of a shoe. So OP definitely learn as many games as you can, especially craps or roulette, not just to develop your career but also for the sake of your sanity. Blackjack is ok to deal but really boring compared to some other games. Stormfang1502 posted:There's one player who's there about 3 nights a week. I call her "The Vulture". She's only there to play the 3-card sidebet on the blackjack tables, she wouldnt even play blackjack if she didnt have to. She'll take up a spot on the table and only play maybe 1 out of 5 hands or whenever she thinks "its due to hit". Nasty attitude the entire time. And just then when you think she's done, she'll push her last $20 in chips to you and ask for singles and spends the rest of the night waiting for someone else to start winning on their own 3-card bet so she can pester them to let her play on top of their bet. Oh god I'd forgotten about side bet people. My only ever write up came because of those, had a full table with 3 people playing on every box and making side bets on different peoples boxes each time, ended up with 2 customers having a fight over who had bet on a box that paid out and I wasn't sure who'd bet either. For the guy asking about side bets, on blackjack there's a box you put your money in to play normal blackjack, and then another box next to it you can make a side bet on. The most common side bet in the UK is 21+3, where if your first 2 cards and the dealers card are a straight, flush or 3 of a kind then it pays out 9(?) to 1 For the people asking about kicking out people who were winning too much, that's something I never saw. Like others have said unless you are cheating then counting cards is really the only way to get an edge. However to make any worthwhile money card counting you need a pretty large bankroll and high table limits, my place was a low stakes place so anyone counting cards there would have been making less money than they could working at McDonalds, and there's the risk of variance wiping you out too so it's really not worthwhile. If people were winning big on roulette then the management want them to stay there so they can get it all back, which is usually what happens, people just don't know when to quit. Jimmy Little Balls fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Jimmy Little Balls posted:Yeah Punto Banco is a slightly different game from Baccarat, I'm not sure of the exact differences but Punto Banco is usually lower stakes and the players don't make any choices, whereas Baccarat is usually found in the Mayfair casinos and played for high stakes and there is some degree of choice for the players, they get to rip up the cards too and have that silly paddle. There are two main types of baccarat—there's punto banco (which, in the US, is synonymous with baccarat) and the second one you refer to, chemin de fer, which is no longer dealt in the United States as far as I know but exists in some of the UK/Europe, especially high-end casinos. The main differences—besides dealing procedures, which I'm more or less unaware of since it doesn't exist over here—are that the 'Player' players bet against the one 'Banker' player, with the house taking a commission, and that the Player and Banker hands may both choose whether to take a card. (Baccarat banque existed at one point, but as far as I know it's more or less extinct.) In general baccarat in the United States has two main versions in which it is dealt: "mini-baccarat", or sometimes just "minibac", where the table is about the size of a standard blackjack table and only the dealer may touch the cards, and "midi-baccarat", which uses a larger table, usually has higher limits, and may (but not always) allow the players to touch the cards (and, well, bend, rip, and otherwise abuse them) and, rarely, the shoe. At one point, big table baccarat existed, which used two base dealers dealing from an upright bank for the six to eight players on each end and one "caller" which announced the cards and which bets won/lost. Some still exist in Vegas, but there are very few and it's a dying form of the game because of the labor costs to have three dealers. All these variants use the same rules of punto banco—only the procedures and appearance is different. And, of course, there are as many variants on this theme as there are casinos, like the occasional two-dealer midi-baccarat game. (Paddles haven't been in use as long as I've been around, even on big baccarat, and I'd guess for at least the past decade or so, but I've heard from the old-timers that they existed at some point and seen the uncommon YouTube video featuring one that I can't seem to find at the moment.) Jimmy Little Balls posted:We only have single 0 wheels here and I think the numbers are in a different order on the double 0 wheel so I guess French bets don't even exist for those? Do you do neighbour bets at least( have a racetrack where players can give you $25 and play $5 on a number and the 2 numbers next to it on each side)? Single-zero wheels exist here, but are uncommon, usually reserved as a high-limit room perk. The standard double-zero wheel does have a different ordering, so French bets don't exist and wouldn't work. Even on the single-zero wheels, though, I don't know of a single place in the US where they'd take any French bets. The racetrack is an odd one—in many jurisdictions, they're allowed, but I haven't seen a single one in AC. At least a few apparently exist in Vegas, though, which is unsurprising because Vegas has or at least had everything. Side bet talk posted:stuff Bets such as the center/proposition bets in craps, since they're a "traditional" part of the game and you'd be hard-pressed to find a craps table without one, aren't usually considered side bets. E4C85D38 fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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I work in a small-town casino as a cage cashier. Our location has no tables, only slots. I would be happy to answer questions about my job. I get to see a lot of strange things and strange people.
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Antoine Silvere posted:Does the house really always win? In most games there's a main game that you do. If there's a bonus game you can also do (but don't have to) at the same time that's called a side bet. If there's a place on the felt where you put this money it's usually off to the side. So for example on many poker based table games you can make a side bet on specific hand combinations coming up -- so like if you make a royal flush you win vs. the dealer almost for certain but often that means you just double your original bet. If you had put say five bucks in the side bet circle then that would pay you fifty times whatever you put in that circle (plus you would double your other separate "main" bet). Generally the side bets are like this -- high risk / reward bets with just atrociously terrible payouts compared to the main game (video poker payouts on royals are usually in the range of 800x or so and that's still being pretty tight). A side bet can also be a bet you make with another player about something while gambling at a table at a casino. Often these aren't allowed or are restricted to a certain degree because some kinds of gambling aren't permitted on the license. A common side bet at the poker table is red/black, where one person puts like five bucks to his right and another puts it to his left and if the flop if majority red the red guy picks up the ten and if it's black the other guy does. Obviously there's no advantage here and people just do it for fun or to be social, but there are other bets people suggest that can have an egde. I'm up 20 bucks by betting old men that someone else doesn't know who Warren Zevon is. Why anyone would take that bet is beyond me because who the gently caress knows that but still. That's a side bet because I made it (a few times) while I was playing poker. These kinds of side bets are rarely policed, but if you say want to literally flip a coin for X dollars they usually don't want to see any of that going on at all because it breaks a rule. There are players who play against the casino and win. Most of these players realize it would be easier to run their own sportsbook (illegal but often not terribly hounded by police in non-gaming states) or learn to play poker. thrakkorzog posted:Blackjack is about the only game where a skilled player can beat the house advantage by counting cards, and it's usually easy to spot a card counter. If someone who spent an hour at the $5 a hand blackjack table suddenly starts betting $200 a hand, he will be asked to leave the casino by very large men, and told in no uncertain terms not to come back. Very very few card counters do this any more. They count and when the count gets good signal a confederate to come in and bet big. At the end of the shoe the confederate leaves. This of course is in places with multiple casinos, people may still try the old school bet variation stuff in pissant towns counting on the pit guys there being subpar. Also they will not just move from 5 to 200. They'll be betting a randomish range of bets and that range will go up as the count goes up along with a suitable act. This is much harder to detect. raton fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Sheep-Goats posted:Very very few card counters do this any more. They count and when the count gets good signal a confederate to come in and bet big. At the end of the shoe the confederate leaves. This of course is in places with multiple casinos, people may still try the old school bet variation stuff in pissant towns counting on the pit guys there being subpar. Also they will not just move from 5 to 200. They'll be betting a randomish range of bets and that range will go up as the count goes up along with a suitable act. This is much harder to detect. I am well aware of that scam. Hell, I was annoyed that the film about the MIT blackjack club whitewashed out all of the Asians, so it looked like some brilliant white guy plan. When part of the scam involved Asians pretending to be rich, and so casino security didn't dig too deep wondering how some Chinese rich kid got all his money, then just bet on a hot table. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 14:32
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Scam is way the wrong word but ok.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Scam is way the wrong word but ok. Which word would you prefer to use? I guess I could also refer to the MIT blackjack club as a scheme, or possibly a conspiracy. Here's the thing, I admire the MIT blackjack club, because they managed to beat the house, and it was all legal. That is no small accomplishment.
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thrakkorzog posted:Which word would you prefer to use? I guess I could also refer to the MIT blackjack club as a scheme, or possibly a conspiracy. It's not illegal or immoral. Method or technique would be better.
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Dec 21, 2015 03:02
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Do you ever see players out in the regular world, like at the super market or gas station or whatever? What percentage of the players you see seem like gambling addicts? Do casinos ever have to deal with dealers who are also gambling addicts? I would guess casinos would prefer people like you who enjoy gambling but aren't too enthusiastic about it.
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How bad is the smoke in your casinos? It's still distressingly common in Vegas, and the main reason I didn't decide to become a dealer. Also, do people ever show up with betting strategies that they think can beat the casino? Has anyone ever been dumb enough to try a straight up martingale strategy? If they do, are you obligated to say or do anything about it or just let them screw themselves?
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Watermelon City posted:Do you ever see players out in the regular world, like at the super market or gas station or whatever? I worked in London where everything is pretty spread out and my casino was in a mainly tourist area so I never saw any punters outside of work incidentally, but a few of the them would come out drinking with us after work, and there where a few who owned bars we'd go to and get free drinks. The company rules were that if you saw someone outside the casino you had to just blank them, but everyone just ignored this. We also weren't allowed to go into any casino within 25 miles of ours, but again this was just ignored by everyone. A lot of ours were addicts. The casino was open 24/7 and you'd see the same people everyday, most of them would show up at varying times in the morning and then just stay there all day, every day of the week. The worst ones would get in at 6-7am and then leave at about 1-2am, just going home to sleep for a few hours. It's part of why I left, Friday and Saturday nights are good fun when you get people just coming in to see what a casino is like and have fun, but the rest of the week is just dealing with a bunch of old miserable fuckers. We had a rich kid who came in for like 2 days every month. He'd get about £10,000 a month allowance and as soon as he got it he'd come to the casino and stay until he'd blown it all, then disappear until the next months money came in. He gave me my shittiest tip ever, 25p on a £9000 payout. counterfeitsaint posted:How bad is the smoke in your casinos? It's still distressingly common in Vegas, and the main reason I didn't decide to become a dealer. Smoking is banned indoors in the UK so I never had to deal with smoke. We did once have a guy show up smoking a pipe who kicked off when we told him he couldn't smoke, it was the only time I ever saw the security guys have to actually kick someone out. You always get people using strategies, the casino encourages it. The roulette tables all have an electronic board showing the last 20 numbers or so and we gave out free cards for people to track numbers with. People trying martingales where fairly common, if they were nice we'd explain to them why it was a bad idea, if they were dicks we'd just act like they were the smartest person to ever walk into the place.
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jase1 posted:In Cleveland dealers aren't allowed to gamble at the casino and a lot of them are gamblers and terrible ones on top of that so they play poker at the local games. Are you a gambler at all? Do you feel like you have an advantage at the games you have dealt when you play? I'm not much of a gambler myself. I've been to a casino twice in the last year and maybe a total of a dozen times in 20 years. I used to blow $20-$30 a week on pull tabs in the bar but that's about it. We're not allowed to drink or gamble on any property owned by my company in this state. As far as having an advantage, I definitely feel like I have one over most players but not the house. Also there is no ban on dealer/player relationships, we're just not permitted to deal to our spouses or close family and friends.
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stubblyhead posted:When someone is asked to leave for winning too much or whatever, is that a permanent ban, or could it just be for a few days or weeks? Any interesting encounters with cheats or people trying to scam other players? It all depends, usually a player who is asked to leave will only be banned the rest of the night or weekend. Really just depends on how bad they piss people off. Nothing really interesting to note about cheats or scammers. We have been given surveillance photos of certain individuals to report but thats about it.
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The sidebet question was already thoroughly answered by the other dealers here so I'll skip that one. You guys feel free to add, expand, or answer anything as well. Watermelon City posted:Do you ever see players out in the regular world, like at the super market or gas station or whatever? I see a few players here and there in town, if they wave I'll wave back or say "hi" but I'll never acknowledge them first, just to protect them. As far as gambling addicts, I'd say probably less than %1. I can think of about 15 particular ones off the top of my head that I deal to but when you compare that to the sheer volume of people who come in its pretty small. The casino doesn't really care if you gamble or not, they just won't allow you to do it with them.
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counterfeitsaint posted:How bad is the smoke in your casinos? It's still distressingly common in Vegas, and the main reason I didn't decide to become a dealer. Smoke doesn't usually bother me, except cigar smoke. That poo poo is basically saying "gently caress everyone at this table". Many states outlawed indoor smoking though and that applies to casinos too. The casinos put huge heat lamps outside for people during the winter to accommodate smokers. We do have a couple of guys who will try out crazy betting systems, but they do it mainly for fun once they're up. What I see more often is "emotional gambling", where a player will get mad at their losses and bet every last thing they have on one hand. As far as being obligated to say anything, it's their money and they can do whatever they want. I will make some suggestions though. For example if someone is doing poorly and hits a big hand I may give them one large denomination chip with the smaller ones and tell them to put it in their pocket and just play the small stuff. It all really depends on how they treat me though. I know of dealers who will encourage a player to bet or play unwisely to get rid of them.
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Do you have non-smoking areas or tables? Guests aren't allowed to smoke in front of the cage here. And I would guess that 50% of our players have addiction issues. It's the only thing to do in a lot of small towns. We have to provide pamphlets if they think they might have a problem. Most of what I do is cash in change that people scrape out of the floorboards of their car.
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On my latest trip to Vegas, I've had several craps dealers miss removing my pass line bet after a 7-out. Am I under any obligation to point this out to dealers when they mess it up? Is there any chance that the house will review the footage and catch it? Would the dealers get in trouble?
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OKJEFF4 posted:Do you have non-smoking areas or tables? Guests aren't allowed to smoke in front of the cage here. We have a small non-smoking slots area ans I have seen a few tables designated as non-smoking on request but that's it. As far as the addicts, I can see where some areas may have a higher percentage. I live in a fairly affluent college town so the numbers seem lower to me.
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Imaduck posted:On my latest trip to Vegas, I've had several craps dealers miss removing my pass line bet after a 7-out. Am I under any obligation to point this out to dealers when they mess it up? Is there any chance that the house will review the footage and catch it? Would the dealers get in trouble? You're under no obligation, but it won't earn you any favors with your dealer. If surveillance catches it then you may have to pay it back, it really just depends on the circumstances. For example if you were paid $10 on a push by mistakes they may let it go but of you were overpaid $50 on a blackjack the floor supervisor will ask for it back unless you have lost it already. Dealers can get in trouble for incorrect payouts, but you'd have to make a huge error or constantly be messing up to get fired over it at my casino. Everybody makes mistakes and the casino knows this so they generally don't punish you except for gross incompetence.
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Imaduck posted:On my latest trip to Vegas, I've had several craps dealers miss removing my pass line bet after a 7-out. Am I under any obligation to point this out to dealers when they mess it up? Is there any chance that the house will review the footage and catch it? Would the dealers get in trouble? No obligation. There is a chance. The dealers will get in trouble but most casinos run on a formal "warning > writeup > time off > dismissial" system with certain errors skipping a step or whatever, or the person who notices it letting it slide sometimes for whatever reasons on the other end of things. If they catch it they may not even try to recoup the loss, they have policies about it that vary but there's also just a certain amount of freeform decision making that has to go into it in each instance. As someone who likes to win money I'd never point it out. Dealer error in favor the player is windfall that belongs to a player IMO, the casino can't get mad at players for it. Some advantage gamblers factor it in as an important part of their overall strategy (see Ivey and the baccarat thing, where among other things strategies were employed to encourage as much dealer error as possible) and it's fair play. The dealers are people but they're also the avatars of the casino, and if you're going to be playing hardball they're part of the target. A good dealer knows this and enjoys not getting ruffled, shrugging off player attempts to gently caress them up (although some methods of throwing them off are obviously thuggish or gross or whatever and go over the line). The questions as to whether or not you should play hardball depends a lot on the stakes and whether you're playing for RNG fun or +EV liplicking or whatever you're in the mood for. raton fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Dec 24, 2015 |
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Stormfang1502 posted:We have a small non-smoking slots area ans I have seen a few tables designated as non-smoking on request but that's it. Earlier you mentioned hookers. We have a lot of those, too. It's pretty obvious when they only spend a dollar at a time. Since your town is affluent, are we talking high class call girls?
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OKJEFF4 posted:Earlier you mentioned hookers. We have a lot of those, too. It's pretty obvious when they only spend a dollar at a time. Since your town is affluent, are we talking high class call girls? No, not at all. Not like lot lizards or anything but definitely not high class.
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Stormfang1502 posted:No, not at all. Not like lot lizards or anything but definitely not high class. We have plenty of lot lizards, but occasionally I'll see a $1000/night girl. I can always tell by looking at their shoes. But the working girls are almost always sober or passing for sober. They stay on their best behavior. One of my weirdest experiences was dealing with a woman who had taken Ambien before coming to the casino. She was tripping balls and leaving her purse in random places.
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Are there any notably busy and/or slow seasons for casinos? Like around Christmas do they cut your hours, but you can make up the difference working Memorial day?
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I used to work as a dealer here in Bristol in the UK. The casino I worked for only had three types of table. Roulette, casino stud poker and blackjack. Training was 6 weeks as at this point, it also included chipping up as a second dealer on a roulette table. There's a lot of learning your times tables. You become very good at multiples of 17 and 35. They also teach you chip patterns so that you can give a value of a win within a second of looking at the bet on the table. We found that certain groups came on certain days. Chinese people would be on most days but English people would come in on Wednesdays. The English people were also likely to make higher bets on the games they played, often maxing out bets. I had a guy play all 7 boxes on the blackjack table I was dealing. Max bet every box. He lost all of them three times in a row. He didn't even seem fazed. I will say that dealing roulette so much did give me some indication of likely areas a ball will land. I used to go out to other casinos, find newbie dealers with consistent spinning and walk out a few hundred richer.
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thrakkorzog posted:Are there any notably busy and/or slow seasons for casinos? Like around Christmas do they cut your hours, but you can make up the difference working Memorial day? Holidays are by far our busiest days. People want to get away from their families. Christmas Season is our busiest season, because people have extra money. Our holidays themselves are floating. We don't get paid extra to work on holidays, but I have six to move around and use whenever I see fit. I get paid regular wage minus tips when I take a holiday.
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I play craps myself and I'm not very good, but what always blows my mind is how quickly and accurately craps dealers can follow all bets and calculate payouts so quickly - especially on a busy table with a lot of bets. How the hell do dealers do this? Is it just repetition or is there special training? I'm assuming it's just memorization, but it just blows my mind every time I play. How tough is it to follow who the hell bet what at a busy table? I know you said you're learning craps but I didn't know if you learned anything about following bets or anything like that just yet.
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Git Mah Belt Son posted:I play craps myself and I'm not very good, but what always blows my mind is how quickly and accurately craps dealers can follow all bets and calculate payouts so quickly - especially on a busy table with a lot of bets. Mostly practice. When you first get on a table, you're prepared with the basics, so you know a $30 place six will pay $35 and some of the other basic ones. Then, when someone comes up and bets $102 place six or something else you don't know, you break it down into what you do know. $30 is a good bet, and $30 x 3 = $90, and $12 is good, so I know $102 is a good bet, even if I don't know what it pays yet. When it looks like I'm just standing there waiting for the dice to roll, I'm pretty much frantically trying to figure out the large bets I have on the table that I don't automatically know. For stuff like the proposition bets in the middle, there are keys that help you figure stuff out quicker as well—for instance, if a $5 horn high aces hits on aces, I know that the payout is eleven times the bet plus 2/5ths of the bet, which is an easy $57 (add another $5 if the player wants to come down). We keep track of whose bet is whose by where we place it on the layout, making precision in movement very important. I have the worst memory, but just by looking at the boxes I know what bet goes to what spot, even if I don't know who that person is. If a good craps dealer adhering to house procedure suddenly keels over, any other dealer should be able to know what's going on with only a glance, although for anything out of the usual it's good practice to brief the incoming dealer on whatever might be happening. If this sounds complicated, it is, and that's not even touching on manipulating the chips or stick work or other skills you need to develop. There's a reason craps class is twice as long and expensive as all the other classes, because just knowing enough to get on the table is really hard, and you never stop learning new things about the game. It takes at least a few months actually dealing to become something approximating competent, and years to become good. But it's really fun to deal.
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While I'm impressed that the craps guys can do all that math, what I'm really impressed by is when some rube busts up every bet on the table with a dice roll, the dealer can re-set all the bets just where they were before.
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Are all three craps position taught at the same time, or is it possible to be one of the dudes on the side but not the dice man or the in charge dude (surely those are the official terms)? I always assumed at least the in charge did is like a higher up position.
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The two dealers are the guys who take bets (one on either side), the stick man is... the guy with the stick. And the guy with the stacks of money is the boxman. In my experience as a craps player, they rotate in as a dealer, then to the other dealer position, then to the stickman, then rotate off to somewhere else. The boxman seems to stay and seems to be the boss, though I'm interested to hear what the actual dealers have to say.
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As a dealer, you're taught how to be the stickperson and base dealer at the same time. The stickperson is the guy standing up, and is primarily in charge of always, always looking at the dice. If you lose track of the dice, bad things happen. They also call the dice when thrown, are responsible for the proposition bets in the center, and help supervise the side where the dice are landing. The base dealers on either end are responsible for all the bets on their side. The order the dealers rotate in varies from house to house—for instance, at my place you spend 20 minutes on stick and 40 minutes on one base before going on break for 20 minutes, but at other places you might start at stick and rotate every 20 minutes to each position, or some other variant. The boxperson is a supervisory position. They're ultimately responsible for the entire table, as well as safeguarding the bank (not that they'll physically stop someone, but they're responsible for knowing what's there) and, in some houses, rating players. Dealers don't take this spot. Some casinos have "dual-rate supervisors", which act as either a dealer or supervisor depending on how they're scheduled that day/needs of the pencil (supervisor that assigns people to tables), and in some casinos they can also be boxpeople. And in yet OTHER casinos, there is no boxperson, simply a floor supervisor assigned to only that one table, which saves on labor costs but not having the extra set of eyes kind of scares me.
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So is there a sort of promotion plan to advance as a table dealer? Like if you get good enough at dealing table games, can you move up to management and become a pit boss, or do you just move up to the higher end tables, going from working the $5 minimum table to working the $1000 minimum tables that tip a bit more? thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Dec 28, 2015 |
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Dec 27, 2015 10:29
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thrakkorzog posted:Are there any notably busy and/or slow seasons for casinos? Like around Christmas do they cut your hours, but you can make up the difference working Memorial day? Summer is the busy season in Vegas.
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Dec 27, 2015 11:24
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thrakkorzog posted:Are there any notably busy and/or slow seasons for casinos? Like around Christmas do they cut your hours, but you can make up the difference working Memorial day? We're considered the entertainment industry so weekends and holidays are our busiest times. New year's eve is our busiest night of the year and January and February are busy because its tax time. Summers tend to be slow here, though not by much. As far as craps and the math go, its a combination of repetition and how you are able to process the numbers. Someone already said "you break it down to what you know" and that's how it's taught in class and that's how I did math before I was a dealer so it comes naturally to me. If I'm given a set of numbers such as 37+41, I see it as 30+40 and 7+1. The same process applies to all payouts as well. Some people just get it faster than others. We have one game in the house that has a 75:1 payout and I have to explain the calculation to my floor nearly every single time they bet more than a dollar on it. "If they bet $5 and win then they get $375, if he bet $10 he'd be getting $750 so 750/2=375." I say that to a supervisor at least once a week and I'm the rookie. Stormfang1502 fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Dec 27, 2015 |
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Dec 27, 2015 14:06
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Another good example is Roulette. Straight up is 35/1, split is 17/1. if the same bet is on each bet, it makes for a payment of 52 for each pair of chips. So if there are 4 chips on each, you can halve that number to get the hundreds, double it to get the second part of the number. 208. Theres loads of combinations like that which you get taught.
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Dec 27, 2015 15:33
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I didn't see this answered, and I hate to repeat myself, but is there a sort of promotion plan to advance as a table dealer? Like if you get good enough at dealing table games, can you move up to management and become a pit boss, or do you just move up to the higher end tables, going from working the $5 minimum table to working the $1000 minimum tables that tip a bit more? If you're good at your job, you deserve a promotion. So what is the promotion system for good table dealers? thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 15:11 on Jan 15, 2016 |
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Jan 9, 2016 11:33
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thrakkorzog posted:I didn't see this answered, and I hate to repeat myself, but is there a sort of promotion plan to advance as a table dealer? Generally, with enough experience, you can transfer to any department and position you're eligible for. From dealer, you can become a floor supervisor or pit boss or department supervisor/manager. However, you won't make as much money in those positions. In our locations with table games, the dealers make more money than anyone else, GM excluded. Still, you can get better hours or a chair, so a lot of people do transfer to higher positions with lower pay. The perks (a chair) can be very nice. Bonus: I had a guest ask for old bills, because the new ones have a blue security strip. That's how Obama tracks you with his radar, apparently. This is a widely held belief.
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Jan 15, 2016 02:08
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In the UK once you've got 2 years of experience as a dealer you can then become a supervisor. I think this is a legal requirement rather than something the casino decides. After that you can move up to pit boss, then manager. Tips are pooled and split amongst all these positions so dealers do get less than higher levels here. Most people who are supervisors will still deal though, only a couple of the old boys who'd been at the casino for 20 years supervised exclusively. Pit bosses and managers always seemed the most stressed out and most people didnt want to do those jobs. The best way to get more money was to move to a high stakes casino with a bigger tip pool. With a couple of years experience you can move to a mid range place, and the high stakes places want 5 years. Over summer the high end places will hire lots of people since you get all the rich arabs coming to london during ramadan. Tips can be insane here, someone i knew who worked at the playboy club got tipped £2 million one night, worked out at about £ 60,000 per person in their tip pool, more than i earnt in a year off a single tip...
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Somebody said earlier how martingale is a bad strategy. How is it worse than any other? If you have three players on a roulette table and one will put everything on a single number, the other will play martingale on red, and the third will close eyes and put random chips on random spots, won't all three have statistically the same chance of doubling their stack?
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