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rotinaj posted:But you don't understand. It doesn't sound like there was a real backup rescue plan. They had no intel on where he was, and he was somewhere in Waziristan, which is not where you want to conduct a military operation if you can avoid it. Plus this was just a couple of years after Obama pissed off the Pakistanis by conducting the Osama raid without their permission.
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I'm just trying to figure out why they referred to Bowe's "rescue." If I remember correctly, they used that word several times in the last episode, and it seems misleading.
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Jurgan posted:I'm just trying to figure out why they referred to Bowe's "rescue." If I remember correctly, they used that word several times in the last episode, and it seems misleading. Because they were try to loving locate and extract him, aka rescue? loving goons.
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Jurgan posted:I'm just trying to figure out why they referred to Bowe's "rescue." If I remember correctly, they used that word several times in the last episode, and it seems misleading. What the hell do you think rescue means
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uhh it was a mutual trade you guys. they probably set it up when they were browsing the for-trade section of abdullahslist
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Today's episode, number eleven, is the final one of the season. Bummer. I can't help but feel that Koenig herself was disappointed in this season; like, it didn't gain the level of significance or insight she was hoping for. The premise was fascinating and overall the season was well-executed and presented. But without Bergdahl himself to contribute, it couldn't reach its full potential. I do think it was an effective way to examine what an overwhelming clusterfuck the war in Afghanistan was/is, and what a tremendous shitshow American foreign policy is in that area.
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Mar 31, 2016 16:04
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I'm not sure what the major scoop she found that required them to change the show schedule to every two weeks was
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Mar 31, 2016 16:36
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What an abysmal failure of a season lol
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Mar 31, 2016 16:41
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this season was bad right I quit at the end of episode one
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That was an extremely long preview for Mark Boal's upcoming adaptation/documentary of the Bergdahl story... wait that was season 2 of serial? Another wet fart of an ending to a season of serial.
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Mar 31, 2016 18:24
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the episodes with very little bergdahl in them were good
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Mar 31, 2016 18:31
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This season was pretty good. Now, granted, it wasn't a sexy true crime story. But as journalism and an examination of the story it was good.
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Mar 31, 2016 18:57
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I think I'd have got into it a lot more if the episode detailing his personality was episode 2 (and the story took a more linear approach in general).
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Overall it was decent but much like season 1 it went out like a wet fart at the end.
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AngryBooch posted:Another wet fart of an ending to a season of serial. The revelation that the rallying cry used against him for the entire season, that him walking off was directly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers when they were sent to find him, was completely untrue was a good capstone. Especially with some of the people from the earlier episodes admitting that they no longer blame him or were wrong about what they said earlier. This was a good season, I hope all the annoying people who ruined discussion of season 1 have all lost interest and hosed off by now.
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I liked it and I'm glad i listened to the whole thing, and was pleased when it started to really pick up a few episodes ago. But I really thought I had misheard something when she said it was the final episode, it really doesn't feel like a complete arc even though I guess it technically was. My favorite part was when the dudes that hated his guts at the beginning of the season softened up on him. Afghanistan really has been a nightmare and this one goofy kid that made a dumb mistake isn't some evil traitor. Just in the wrong place for a guy with his mindset. Hope whatever punishment he gets takes his 5 years of hardship into account.
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Guy Mann posted:The revelation that the rallying cry used against him for the entire season, that him walking off was directly responsible for the deaths of American soldiers when they were sent to find him, was completely untrue was a good capstone. Especially with some of the people from the earlier episodes admitting that they no longer blame him or were wrong about what they said earlier. I did appreciate that part. As well as the story of another soldier, even goonier than Bergdahl, who tried to walk to Eastern Europe with a replica battleaxe strapped to his back from his base in Afghanistan. He just happened to be picked up and returned by the Afghanistan police instead of the Taliban so there were no charges. But, the conclusions, for two seasons now, are just not satisfying. They don't even feel like complete stories. Which is why I made the dumb comment about this season being a preview for whatever Mark Boal is doing, because he's actually waiting for an ending.
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I'm assuming that they will do some follow-up in August during his court-martial? Because until that is completed the story isn't over.
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Those of you who think season 1 or 2 should have a nice Law & Order conclusion are teenagers. That's not how life works. There are no conclusive endings most of the time. I too, was a bit disappointed with this season. Whoever said Sarah also sounded disappointed was dead on. I don't think she got as far, or as deep into the story as she wanted, but isn't that true of all of us? I did like how she framed the ending. All of us were complicit in the commitment to war. We just may not have grasped exactly what we were agreeing to. Disillusioned young troops, casualties, and repercussions way beyond pushing one man to his breaking point. Whether or not you agree, it makes you think.
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I enjoyed this season more than the second. The utter clusterfuck that sprung forth one fuckup's fuckup and how it's exacerbated by everyone involved refusing to take responsibility unfolded like a macabre Rube Goldberg machine. Not only that, but this incident says more about us as a society than Adnan Syed's ongoing case. Because "No man left behind" (except if the terrorists would win) shows the cycle of exploitation soldiers go through. I don't know what Koenig and co. is going to tackle next, but I'll be listening. I dig super-controversial stuff like this; maybe they should go back to Baltimore and this time take on the Freddie Gray case.
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Benny the Snake posted:I enjoyed this season more than the second. The utter clusterfuck that sprung forth one fuckup's fuckup and how it's exacerbated by everyone involved refusing to take responsibility unfolds to me like a macabre Rube Goldberg machine. Not only that, but this incident and how it unfolded says more about us as a society than Adan Syed's ongoing case. Because "No man left behind" (except if the terrorists would win) shows the cycle of exploitation soldiers go through. I don't know what Koenig and co. is going to tackle next, but I'll be listening. I dig super-controversial stuff like this; maybe they should go back to Baltimore and this time take on the Freddie Gray case.
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Hey, if any of you guys want more investigative journalism, the podcast Reveal is really, really good. Serial s2 was interesting, but not as impactful, and had a flat ending because there's no ending to be had for this story. I hope the next season doesn't take a whole year to show up and is good.
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i feel like both Adnan and Bowe were both terminally goony
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i feel like both Adnan and Bowe were both terminally goony What? Adnan was the charismatic, good-looking guy liked by everyone. This season was great from a journalistic standpoint, but it didn't hook me like season 1 did. Not because I wanted another cold case, but it didn't have the fun, hands-on aspect that season 1 did. Like the episode in which they tried to retrace the route in 21 minutes or whatever, that was cool. And season 1 had this low-budget feel, even though it wasn't at all. I guess this one felt more like an audiobook and professional, with the whole season planned out ahead of time. Season 1 felt more organic, them having no idea where they would end up.
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Paul Zuvella posted:What the hell do you think rescue means A military operation, usually one involving active combat? It doesn't make me think of something as dry as a diplomatic exchange. Anyway, I would say this season started out weak but improved over time. The episodes that detailed minute by minute what Bowe did were dull, to me, but when it started looking at the wider picture I enjoyed it more. Up until now, I just figured the whole controversy was yet another case of Republicans knee-jerk opposing everything Obama does. While I still don't have any respect for guys like Mitch McConnell, I understand better why some soldiers were genuinely angry at Bowe. The picture is more complicated than I'd originally thought, and that's exactly what long-form storytelling is good at showing.
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Yeah Adnan is the polar opposite of a goon, he went outside and even spoke to women occasionally in between swings of the shovel Overall I liked this season and found it compelling, especially as a non-American who had pretty much no prior knowledge of the case. Season 1 had higher high points, I guess you could say, but quickly ran out of steam once you realised there was never going to be a satisfying conclusion. With season 2 there were a couple of dud episodes but on the whole it was continually interesting - I wasn't expecting any genuine resolution since it was clear early on that Bowe was still awaiting trial.
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Jurgan posted:A military operation, usually one involving active combat? It doesn't make me think of something as dry as a diplomatic exchange. Have you actually watched the release video? Because two Blackhawks loaded with special forces troops and a pair of Hercules (I think?) orbiting overhead sure as poo poo looks like a military operation to me - particularly when one of the helicopters lands in front of 20+ Taliban guys armed with AKs and RPGs. Sure it's not much like Counter-Strike or whatever, but it would've been tense as gently caress for everyone involved.
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webmeister posted:Have you actually watched the release video? Because two Blackhawks loaded with special forces troops and a pair of Hercules (I think?) orbiting overhead sure as poo poo looks like a military operation to me - particularly when one of the helicopters lands in front of 20+ Taliban guys armed with AKs and RPGs. Thanks for sharing the video. I didn't know it existed. That was loving fast
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I probably wouldn't want to spend that long around armed Taliban guys either tbqh
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I liked the season. The only big negative was the initial focus on Bowe's recorded audio. I thought the audio quality and the general insight to be had from Bowe himself was so low that they ought not to have included it. Which is weird because it seems like the tape dump seems to be the impetus for the season, "we've got this trove of audio to use, let's write a story around it!". But Bowe is this really uninteresting spergy individual, the interesting part is demonstrating how one spergy dude's action can butterfly-effect its way out like it did.
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I liked Bowe's audio a lot. The part of the season I was most compelled by was his first person narrative. Maybe because I was also a goony disillusioned military member who daydreamed about running off
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Apr 1, 2016 06:43
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The peak of this season was the Bowe profile halfway through.
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turevidar posted:The peak of this season was the Bowe profile halfway through. Yeah hiding weapons Dwight Schrute style was amazing.
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The reveal that other soldiers had done the exact same goddamn thing, but that Bowe was the only one who got picked up by the taliban instead of the ANP was a way bigger deal to me.
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webmeister posted:Have you actually watched the release video? Because two Blackhawks loaded with special forces troops and a pair of Hercules (I think?) orbiting overhead sure as poo poo looks like a military operation to me - particularly when one of the helicopters lands in front of 20+ Taliban guys armed with AKs and RPGs. Thank you! No, I didn't know that, which is why I asked the question in the first place. But apparently no one else could give a direct answer, instead saying variations of "because you're a stupid loving goon who smells bad." Which may be true, but not relevant.
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As sympathetic as I am with Bowe, I look at him blinking at the sun in the pickup in that video, knowing what he's been through, what a horrible experience that was... and then I think of him getting mad at the Army and walking off base and I also think, "You dumbass."
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VagueRant posted:The reveal that other soldiers had done the exact same goddamn thing, but that Bowe was the only one who got picked up by the taliban instead of the ANP was a way bigger deal to me. Difference between loving up and loving up royally. No harm, no foul.. etc etc Mostly if your loving up hurt other people, your going to get punished much more harshly.
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doctorfrog posted:As sympathetic as I am with Bowe, I look at him blinking at the sun in the pickup in that video, knowing what he's been through, what a horrible experience that was... and then I think of him getting mad at the Army and walking off base and I also think, "You dumbass." I know nothing of Armed Services justice. Can they sentence him to 5 years for deserting then go "Oh, wellp, we'll count time in the Taliban cage as time served, so Dishonorable discharge - you're free to go." ? Everything he did was wrong and he should be punished. But it just seems pretty clear to me that he _has_ been.
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