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Grievous and Dooku are the heroes on the Separatist side.
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piratepilates posted:There can, but they're framed as the opposition/enemy in the movies, and I can't remember any character that was really a 'hero'. Dooku and Grievous are both villains (they even both get in to big climactic fights with the heroes of the movie). I guess you can say they are war heroes as in they are major players in the war but in the movie's terms (and Star Wars, at least in the OT, is so drat plain good vs evil) they are not heroes. Grievous and Dooku are heroes to their peoples, the lizard-desert-sword guys and the dracula-planet aristocrats, respectively.
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Jan 15, 2016 04:34
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The Separatists' biggest baddest battleship is called The Invisible Hand. Their major constituent organizations are called The Trade Federation, The Intergalactic Banking Clan and The Techno Union. The proper title of their formed government is seriously "the Confederacy." They are also led by Dracula. Their politics aren't subtle.
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Jan 15, 2016 06:03
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Also, Dracula is fighting for the Space Confederacy.
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Jan 15, 2016 07:59
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Cnut the Great posted:The Separatists represent the Republic's self-centered, individualist id. Contrasted against them are the Loyalists, which represent the Republic's more conscientious, community-oriented superego. That's the whole thrust of Sidious's plot: Split the Republic into two factions--one Apollonian, one Dionysian--and then trick them into trying to destroy each other, instead of coexisting in equal balance with each other as they have for a millennium. This rift will result in the weakening of the Republic's two mediating ego mechanisms, the Jedi Order and the Senate. Sidious will then take advantage of the resulting weakness in order to destroy both institutions. He will then replace these institutions.....with himself. The interesting thing about the Separatists is they're a bunch of droids and aliens who are united by one of the Republic bluebloods. Like Padme, Sheev and Jimmy Smitts, Dooku is part of the ruling elite who benefit from an economic system essentially set up to enrich the core (Coruscant) and drain the periphery (Tattooine, Geonosis). Yet somehow this guy is the leader of what amounts to a revolt by that periphery because I guess he gives the meetings a touch of class ha ha.
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Jan 15, 2016 08:44
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I don't know if you noticed this, but Greivous coughs because he is a pair of damaged lungs loosely attached to a metal frame. The Separatists are the underdogs and their technology sucks.
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Jan 15, 2016 08:46
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ungulateman posted:Arguing that a universe should have consistent rules and then produce a story based on those rules is some Dungeons and Dragons poo poo, and not even the good kind of D&D where the DM will let you do cool and fun things because they're cool and fun. That's not the right way to play D&D at all! It should be a true test of mental acuity and fortitude! 
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Jan 15, 2016 09:09
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CelticPredator posted:Hey, the one EU story I know! It's even more fun than that. Basically Grievous is from a terrible tiny planet in the rear end-end of nowhere that got invaded by some assholes and had been fighting a decades-long war. This was where he made his bones as a badass warlord dude, a hero to his hosed up afro-lizardman society. As it happened, Grievous started winning too hard and was on the verge of finally beating his race's archenemies when the Republic intervened and forced them into a peace settlement. Grievous' people did not want to try the fruits of peace so the Republic blockaded their planet and a bunch of people starved, and to survive Grievous became a mercenary for the Banking Clan (these are the fat green guys with the weird poo poo in their faces at the Separatist meetings). Once again he was basically too good because that was when they decided to gently caress him up and blame the Republic so he'd become a lightsaber wielding cyborg badass general for the war the Separatists were about to spark off.
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Jan 15, 2016 09:41
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:That's in a little EU side-story. In the films themselves, Greivous is a much more fun character. I also think it's an intentional choice, by Lucas, to make the two "heroes" on the Separatist side somewhat visibly pathetic----Dooku is insaneo old, maybe the oldest dude in Star Wars, and while he's got an impressive voice and look there's a subtext they want you to understand from his age and title that he's on The Wrong Side of History, that what he's fighting for is basically a doomed cause, which makes him a perfect patsy for Palpatine. Grievous is essentially a Pontiac Aztek to Darth Vader's comfortable high-performance LaCrosse, a beta version of the same Robocop-style cyborgization carried out on some hapless alien ethnic, and his life support system is really lovely or whatever. He bravely fights on and he managed to take out a few Jedi but he has to keep running until he finally gets cornered and put down like a dog.
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Jan 15, 2016 09:48
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Well, Darth's itchy underwear isn't G canon but the wicked cough and the clinking noises Grievous's body makes are so I think I know what G Luc was going for 
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Jan 15, 2016 10:01
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Who the hell is Maz
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Jan 15, 2016 10:11
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Why would there be a bar in the middle of nowhere, I mean Mos Eisley is a spaceport, a bar makes sense but
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Jan 15, 2016 12:59
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What is she covered in pop bottle caps throughout the decades or.....?
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Jan 15, 2016 13:07
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Hold on, does this she have a beard in the finished movie Cuz one of those character designs definitely is sporting a beard
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Jan 15, 2016 13:26
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J.J missin out on a chance to be truly bold with that bearded lady design
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Jan 15, 2016 13:30
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Actually, let's talk a bit about why I won't see Force Awakens This is why I won't see Force Awakens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pd6yO-jBRo It's just one theater, right? Well my one ticket for that one theater should mean a lot less. gently caress Disney for this seriously.
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Jan 15, 2016 13:34
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To me it's all about how bland and homogeneous the Republic forces are----all the Jedi are wearing the same loving outfit blech------vs the neverending variety of bosses who appear on the Separatist side, from Durge to that stupid blue guy with the six shooters in Clone Wars. The Separatists absolutely have all the appeal and the doomed glamour of a lost cause fighting against overwhelming odds
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Jan 15, 2016 13:56
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Just gently caress the new movie though, gently caress that
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Jan 15, 2016 13:57
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I don't buy it.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:23
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Obi-Wan in the prequels is still cooler and smarter than basically all of us
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Jan 15, 2016 15:29
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Thanks, but not happy people are missing my most important post[Harime Nui posted:Actually, let's talk a bit about why I won't see Force Awakens
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Jan 15, 2016 15:33
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Phylodox posted:I didn't miss it. Unfortunately, I'd already seen and really enjoyed The Force Awakens. Twice. But rest assured, when I buy the Blu-Ray I'll know to feel really bad for Quentin Tarantino, so there's that, at least. It hurts me because all my friends love this stupid space movie and I'm not good at explaining to them that I hate the company that made the movie----not the director, not the actors, or the prop guys or the FX guys. I'm sure they did a great job and that it's a fun movie, but on moral grounds I have to not watch it until the loving company's not gonna see more than five cents so like 2040.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:41
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RBA Starblade posted:I'm at work and can't watch videos, what is it? Basically, Quentin Tarantino thought he had a deal with the Cinerama Dome theater in L.A that they would screen Star Wars for the first half of the holidays, and his movie would get the weeks after that. However, essentially Disney is so rich and powerful that they didn't have to honor that contract, and they said to the theater "hey, it'd really gently caress you if we pulled Star Wars, better just let us run through the whole holiday season" and the Cinerama Dome company was like "well, poo poo" and so Tarantino's film The Hateful Eight didn't get screened in this theater after its premiere night on December 5th; and you gotta understand Quentin's an L.A boy so to him this Cinerama Dome, which has 70mm film projectors already, is like, his theater, he thinks of it as the big premiere theater, and its run is denied him in his own hometown so Disney can make a few more bucks---I mean this is a fairly arty venue so it is just a fistfull of bucks that's at stake here. It's pathetic, and mean on Disney's part.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:45
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Phylodox posted:Well, good luck not seeing any movies that involve stupid, petty Hollywood fuckery. "OH WELL YEAH, ALL STUDIOS DO IT SO" no gently caress that, that's nonsense and horseshit gently caress this stupid Star Wars 7
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Jan 15, 2016 15:50
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They didn't have to do this but they basically ruined Quentin Tarantino's christmas. So just as the Vikings got hosed by the hand of God for ruining the christmas of Eli Manning, gently caress these guys.
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Jan 15, 2016 15:51
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Basebf555 posted:I mean its a dick thing to do but is it really a boycottable offense? Disney's probably toppled governments before and had people assassinated and poo poo, this seems like small potatoes. the difference is Quentin Tarantino is great, not like the government of Urzumbagabagwe or whatever the gently caress e: kidding, of course! I don't believe Disney has ever toppled an African government and even if it did, that's merely a pastiche of sounds that perhaps evoke Africa to my uneducated Western ear, haha! Everything's in the pokey spirit of light ribbing, folks!
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Jan 15, 2016 15:55
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Phylodox posted:Won't someone please think of Quentin Tarantino?!? You have literally never not gone to bat for a Marvel/Disney thing so seriously, here, in this instance, where Disney has blatantly just plain screwed someone over for money, can you find it in yourself, to not be that guy, I says in my movie announcer voice
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Jan 15, 2016 15:58
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Not even the RLM Review says anything about the tactical blow-by-blow for the Trade Federation's conquest of Naboo, lol
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Jan 15, 2016 16:04
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You've got some loving nuts to even say that to a NY fan in 2015
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Jan 15, 2016 16:07
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I am asking you don't make light of this
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Jan 15, 2016 16:12
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Phylodox posted:I don't even have to. It makes light of itself. Howard Stern makes light of it right there in the video you posted. Why do you even think that's okay? the gently caress's wrong with you you don't have enough human sympathy------no, okay, maybe you don't know. The Cinerama Dome is Tarantino's theater. Like, it's his homeground, it's the place where you got to watch his movie debuts so you can talk to him about it and poo poo. Not "his" theater in the sense that it plays Tarantino movies year round but generally it is the one he likes best. But gently caress that if you can make a few dollars more, right? Like do you even understand what's wrong here? Like, why this is wrong?
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Jan 15, 2016 16:19
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Look, if someone spat in Tarantino's face, he's still a super rich guy who probably hosed Uma Thurman. Great, but you still spat in his face and that's wrong what the gently caress.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:21
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Phylodox posted:Oh, okay. I still don't care. Sorry. Do you actually make a webcomic, I feel like I've heard you mention that's something you do but I might be wrong
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Jan 15, 2016 16:22
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This stupid rear end gently caress movie
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Jan 15, 2016 16:26
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Basebf555 posted:Movies are a business just as cutthroat as any other in this country. Tarantino being hosed out of a few screens in a theatre he happens to favor isn't something I'm willing to waste my time worrying about. Disney gonna Disney. You are completely missing the point Phylodox posted:Yeah, it's fuckin' terrible. If Disney bought my web space or some poo poo, no one would care. What's your point? Well, I'd like to see your webcomic.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:33
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homullus posted:Wait, why are you mad at Disney? Shouldn't you be mad at, like, the theater? Disney can't come in with mouse-eared goons and shove their Star War into the projection booth. Uh, but they can order the theater to stop showing Force Awakens too early which would cost it huge-o in revenues, way more than they'd get back showing QT's movie.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:35
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homullus posted:Yeah, they can, but the theater still doesn't have to do it. Are you mad at the theater for caving for business reasons? If not, why are you mad at Disney for pressuring them for business reasons? I think you should be mad at both, since his theater totally stabbed him in the back for a payoff. Theaters are kind of a dying business, bud. Disney isn't.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:41
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Also are you loving listening to yourself? "Well, the drycleaner could have not taken the laundered money, he'd have been beat up but he could have gone to the police" shut the gently caress up. Are you gonna compare the goddamn Weinstein Company, who do well for themselves but let's be real are a niche studio, to goddamn Walt Disney Entertainment? Of course you side with one over the other here, and the difference is so vast I doubt it even effects the relationship Quentin probably has with the owners of that particular theater. Here's a hot tip ethics majors, what went down is still loving wrong
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Jan 15, 2016 16:44
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It's really loving hilarious I keep saying "hey, Disney slapped Tarantino on his face" and you keep saying "Tarantino's rich! He's got money! He's got money!" so the gently caress what, when you pass a certain wealth threshold you stop being human?
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Jan 15, 2016 16:48
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:It's two rich media conglomerates having a fairly minor dispute over what blockbuster film plays in a single theater in LA. Again, who the gently caress cares? There's a reason no one is siding with you here. Tarantino cared because he wanted to have the movie play at that theater. Also lol at you saying the Weinsteins have anything on Disney in terms of clout. But mainly, this guy who made a lot of things that I love is upset and angry about this and I get why, and the guy who made The New Star Trek Movies is no loving counter to that, so gently caress Disney even if they have the money to keep Star Wars playing forever.
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Jan 15, 2016 16:52
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