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josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Own up, which one of you wrote this.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/12/star-wars-the-force-awakens-empire-joseph-campbell-george-lucas/

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josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Danger posted:

Kriss's take on Zizek's piece was dumb.

Someone on my facebook suggested that he should stick to the opinion pieces and leave the philosophy alone; which is, of course, exactly the problem an anti-Zizek should have.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

If it was, he missed a good deal of the point. That article is a good primer on how to read Star Wars, but Kriss gets too proud of the technological terror of the Death Star, and fails to understand the full implications of a suffering Force - the Force as suffering God, with Vader as its incarnation.

Only a suffering God can save us: �a God who � like the suffering Christ on the Cross � is agonized, assumes the burden of suffering, in solidarity with the human misery".
_-Zizek

If course, this is precisely what happens at the end of Episode 6 (though many fail to understand it.)

He also somewhat bafflingly implies that Lucas is unaware that a prequel is really a sequel.

Homework Explainer posted:

that's forums poster deadken actually

Makes sense.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2015 01:18

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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The "nooo" in Jedi is 100% Lucas trolling 'Han Shot First' types with an essentially neutral thematic change which nonetheless eternally taints the film with prequel stink.

# ¿ Jan 6, 2016 01:48

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Red posted:

Who's the 'regular' guy we can identify with? Who's the character that's mystified and awed by the Jedi, that gives us an idea of how the galaxy sees the powerful Jedi council/knights? Is it just Anakin, being passed over?

It's Jar Jar/Child Anakin, the two characters who have their entire lives screwed up just by the Jedi passing through town.

Filthy Casual posted:

Incidentally, after all those Dexter Jettster's diner debates, I walked away from that scene kinda liking it. It felt like the only time Obi-Wan established a genuine relationship with someone, but it was mostly that dude owing him a favor. It also had a nice hardboiled PI vibe to it.

Part of the purpose of the diner scene is to show us Obi-wan having a genuine friendship with someone, to better distinguish his dysfunction father/brother/mentor/friend relationship with Anakin.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2016 00:12

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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The reason Leia losing political power for being related to Darth Vader was cut is that it's incredibly contrived. Who'd she tell? Did Han tell someone? Did the space-tabloids get ahold of it? Is Dexter Jettster in his space cafe reading about the Leia heritage scandal?

# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 13:45

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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It's a mode of scandal specific to a stable, liberal democracy where politicians depend on the tide of popular opinion to maintain legitimacy. Revolutionary governments and new republics that have just finished shredding the vestiges of the old order hold their own authority. Leia is a decorated war hero and leader who just personally assisted in ending the empire. Why would scatty rumours about her biological descent out-weigh that? Are the new senate that wild about bloodlines?

# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 14:01

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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thrawn527 posted:

As stated just now, it's more than just rumors, there's video of her adopted father saying it. And Vader hosed up a lot of people. The idea that she could, in theory, be trying to claim power in order to start her own Empire seems a little more likely when you find out she's the daughter of an evil space wizard responsible countless deaths in the last Empire. That's the way it's used as a wedge, that her run for Chancellor she's kicking off is super scary considering who her father is. Of course it's not fair, but it comes at the absolute worst time, people don't always react rationally, and she never fully recovers.

There's a documentary called Hitler's children that goes into the relatives of Hitler and how they tried to go on and live their lives in a world where the name Hitler became synonymous with evil. One of them chose to castrate himself so he wouldn't pass on the burden to his own children.

This might make sense if the truth had come out before the destruction of Death Star 2, but Leia has already seized power in a violent coup, with her faction, the rebel alliance.

Who are these people who are influential enough to have power in the new republic, but also disconnected enough from Leia that a VHS of her father talking about adoption is enough to sway their opinion of her? Or if it's a cynical takedown of a political rival, who are these rivals and what does it say of the character of the new republic that it's already descended into petty factional infighting? It's an explanation which prompts far more questions than it answers, and in its absence the conclusion drawn works much better: Leia, a war leader, is unsuited to peacetime government and has exiled herself to knocking down tinpot dictators at the far end of the galaxy because that's what she's good at.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 14:21

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Headcanon is mocked because it's bringing something which only pertains to copyright law and brand management into your own thought process. It's not silly because shared enjoyment of media is dependent on corporate sponsorship.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 21:42

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Descriptions of Ren as a 'millenial' are referencing Adam Driver's breakout role in Girls, the seminal millennial sitcom.

# ¿ Sep 16, 2017 21:02

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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The Empire is introduced as something you could go on a drat fool idealistic crusade against, but your stick-in-the-mud uncle can ultimately live with. The Empire is famine in Africa. The Empire is war in the Middle East. The Empire is fossil fuels.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2017 20:00

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Thrawn does not appear in a Star Wars movie.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2017 00:31

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Yeesh.

# ¿ Sep 18, 2017 13:52

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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It is well established that Sheev is cool.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2017 12:33

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Ingmar terdman posted:

Like a cocky college kid coming back to his one-horse town and trying to...blow up...his old high school principal. Hmmm

Also dresses in black, checks out.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2017 15:33

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Jabba has taken a fall between TPM and ROTJ. In TPM he's a louche emperor, seeing people live and die in the pod race for his amusement, sole despot on a planet outside the control of the republic. By ROTJ, (presumably at the instigation of Vader!) Tatooine has been brought under the heel of the Empire and Jabba is a petty tyrant in exile, wallowing in the shadow of his former role in a dank speakeasy surrounded by lickspittles and scum.

# ¿ Sep 22, 2017 22:56

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Grendels Dad posted:

I like that road, but there is still the bump of ANH. I guess by ANH Jabba is desperate enough to let a good smuggler disrespect him and get away with owing him money, but it lacks the clarity I'd like for a reading like this. I might need to rewatch ANH though.

He's still powerful, and wealthy. He's just the old order, and if they ever had cause to Vader and the Emperor would sweep him away at a stroke like they do the Senate at the start of ANH.

# ¿ Sep 23, 2017 00:35

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Captain Splendid posted:

Tarkin should have had a huge hunch if he didn't know outright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrHFEGvDDko

Yeesh, someone needs to let the guy who wrote this know that less is sometimes more. "Tarkin had a SMALL INKLING that maybe he might SUSPECT that he knew the secret identity of the DARK LORD... perhaps someone he knew from his PAST LIFE... someone he had WORKED WITH... someone whose name began with an "A"..."

# ¿ Sep 26, 2017 16:09

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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BarronsArtGallery posted:

The prequels never existed. Just like this "Indy 4" that people have somehow manifested as some form of collective delusion.

If the prequels never existed, how could people use denying their existence as a shibboleth?

# ¿ Sep 28, 2017 20:22

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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BarronsArtGallery posted:

because if the prequels existed then Star Wars would be lovely and bad forever.

it's on the level of what was known as the EU. Most of the EU was poo poo so all those stories never existed in the movies.

As SMG used to say, Star Wars fans do not like Star Wars.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2017 21:29

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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BarronsArtGallery posted:

what ever happened to that guy? did he finally spin off of this planet?

Oh he posted right here in this thread like a week ago. He just hasn't said "Star Wars fans don't like Star Wars" in a while and it's a good point, worth repeating. Saying the prequels don't exist is, objectively, disliking at least 3/8 of the Star Wars movies which actually exist.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2017 23:22

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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It's a curious logic loop whereby George Lucas's acted-on plan for the prequels is claimed to be illegitimate by appeal to the authority of George Luca's true plan for the prequels, as divined from literal readings of two Kenobi lines in A New Hope which are diegetically lies.

# ¿ Sep 29, 2017 00:41

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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viral spiral posted:

There are clips of the prequels on Youtube in 60fps that illustrate how fake these films look, particularly scenes involving visual effects:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unAu-1H-otA

"this clip which has been post-processed so that half the frames are interpolated looks fake, reflecting badly on the film in question"

# ¿ Oct 1, 2017 01:29

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Oh yeah, the Hobbits looked great. I think the real sticking point is the lack of a home release format for 48+ fps more than anything, which means that once it's out of the cinema watching the movie is a degraded experience.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2017 02:00

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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viral spiral posted:

I meant it didn't have a cartoonish level of CGI like the other two.

I mean, they made two very successful CGI cartoons set between them.

# ¿ Oct 1, 2017 11:39

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Bongo Bill posted:

Green screen is used for chroma key compositing, which is used to combine footage from multiple sources into a single shot. Those sources of footage may include other cameras, digital effects, or anything else. The prequels used a huge amount of effects, and any given shot is likely to contain multiple techniques like matte paintings, miniatures, puppets, animatronics, computer generated imagery, and post- processing.

What you are probably noticing is that Attack of the Clones was the first major film to use digital compositing. That means when combining the effects above, they used computers. That allows many more elements to be included in a shot. So they captured a lot of footage of all these effects so they could be composited in.

However, the technique and technology was early at the time, and it worked better under certain lighting conditions. Consequently, they lit the photographs in a distinctly bright and even and unnaturalistic way, much more so than was strictly necessary to make it look right. Honestly, the sets and physical objects look more like CGI than most of the actual CGI.

The movie has significant themes of unreality and deception, and an aesthetic that borrows from retro-futurism with good reason, so that suits it.

Just a slight correction - digital compositing was already the standard for visual effects work since the early 90's at least, AOTC was a pioneering use of digital capture, and it's the early digital cinema cameras used which had a limited dynamic range. George Lucas/Lucasfilm/ILM was also a pioneer in digital compositing though, between the stained glass knight in Young Indiana Jones through to the Special Editions, and viewed the need to capture in film, have it processed, then scanned, then edited, then printed back to film, then transferred again for home media as archaic.

The other advantage (aside from complementing the aesthetics of the plot) was the near-revolutionary ability for the director to review the footage as it was being captured rather than on a one-day delay while the film was processed, hence all those backstage shots in the Red Letter Media reviews of George Lucas sitting surrounded by screens.

josh04 fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 1, 2017

# ¿ Oct 1, 2017 15:02

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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I can't see page 1051 and I assume noone else can? Is it just going to be a full page of people asking? Prequels are good.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2017 08:41

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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We will never see the 16 forbidden posts.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2017 10:44

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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The cloak and beard also suggest Obi-Wan, indicating that this is a Luke who has advanced to mastery and is open to naked manipulation.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2017 20:37

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josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
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Lord Hydronium posted:

Also, apparently y'all have a lot more cynical view of Obi-Wan's motives in the OT than I do.

Dickbag Obi-wan is a fun original trilogy theory brought to life by Ewan McGregor's portrayal in the prequels of a man who has compartmentalised the uselessness of the Jedi and their blind eye to corruption and inequality by pretending he's Space-Indiana Jones and tormenting his idiot teenage protege.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2017 21:19

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