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Zoran posted:Avatar was one of those films that I really liked when I saw it (twice), but now it just seems thoroughly mediocre. We need a 900 page thread evangelising Avatar in excruciating detail.
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spacetoaster posted:This bothered me too. But he just helped a sith lord kill a master jedi. Probably as rock bottom as rock bottom can get. Nah I think killing a classroom full of terrified children is worse. Nelson Mandingo posted:Honestly it was the previous film where I became completely disconnected from the original prequels at that point. Anakin gets back from murdering a whole tribe of Sand People, revealing to Padme that he not only killed the men but the women and the children too. Padme is a racist.
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Dec 14, 2015 20:31
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Ok your content in the old thread was interesting but this is absolute nonsense.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:47
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Zoran posted:I just watched the TPM one. Personally, I think the number one red flag in prequel criticism is when someone says that Jar-Jar was "not important." Annoying? Sure! Some of the jokes involving him fell flat? Yep! But not important? Qui-Gon sees value in him when no one else (including the audience and also all the other characters) does. Eventually, it's Jar-Jar who shows Amidala that the solution to her problem was in front of her the whole time. Padmé didn't need to go to Coruscant and she didn't need to put Palpatine in power, but she did, just because her society was too racist to even consider asking the Gungans for help. Padmé's breakthrough is in overcoming her own prejudices, and it only happens because Qui-Gon kept Jar-Jar around. Qui Gon thinks no more of Jar Jar than anyone else and keeps him around when he's useful because he has no other options. Then Jar Jar is tricked into starting a galactic war and ushering in 20+ years of hell.
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Dec 14, 2015 21:53
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Zoran posted:Qui-Gon didn't really need a navigator to get through the planet core. All the navigating shown on-screen is done by Qui-Gon himself. Obi-Wan wanted to leave Jar Jar behind in Otoh Gunga, and Qui-Gon wouldn't let him. And given future events Obi Wan was pretty justified.
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Dec 14, 2015 22:01
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BigglesSWE posted:Didn't the Extended Universe (Legends, and thank Zark for that) revive him, making him part-droid or sorting? I think I saw that somewhere, and it sure sounds right up the EU's alley doesn't it? After 3 minutes on Wookiepedia, I think he's still alive at the time of The Force Awakens in the current canon, unless he died off screen or of natural causes.
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Dec 14, 2015 22:05
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Basebf555 posted:It's not so much that the Jedi are wrong on any specific point, its that they are overly dogmatic and also hypocritical on top of it. The fact that Anakin loves Padme isn't what leads to him falling to the Dark Side, its that he's been conditioned by the Jedi to think he's committing some sort of sin. The secrecy they force him and Padme into directly results in his vulnerability to Palpatine. if they Jedi were cool with them being married, he'd still have the vision of her dying. The Jedi would say 'well that's poo poo but we can't help sorry' and Palpatine would still lie and say he can save her. Same thing happens.
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Dec 14, 2015 22:20
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Basebf555 posted:Had he been able to talk his problems out with Obi Wan or Yoda there's a very high chance they would have sniffed out what Palpatine was doing and things would have gone much differently. He doesn't because he doesn't trust them and assumes they won't even listen to what he as to say with an open mind. Anakin basically tells Yoda everything (without actually saying anything directly) while sweating and almost crying and Yoda doesn't make any attempt to connect the dots. What I'm saying is that the whole dogmatic anti-emotion thing doesn't really make any difference when they're all ridiculously blind to what's going on regardless (and not in a 'Ah-ha! They're so blind!' way, but in a 'Real people are not this dumb, even Trump supporters' way).
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Dec 14, 2015 22:33
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a starwar betamax posted:Actually, I think it's more the other way around. The Jedi aren't to abstain from sexual relationships...... just to abstain from "attachment". Which agape love would definitely constitute. Do they bang space hookers then?
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Dec 14, 2015 22:57
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hemale in pain posted:I watched the original series so now I'm watching the prequels. The phantom menace is a lot prettier than I remember it being, all the CGI is good apart from Jar Jar, some of the aliens and the battle droids. It's a shame every scene with Jar Jar is unbearable because it's an okay movie outside of that.
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Dec 14, 2015 23:45
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feedmyleg posted:The only person whose reaction isn't totally glowing so far is Devin Faraci's, who thought the plot was dumb. So don't get ahead of yourselves, y'all, you're not guaranteed to dig it. One person has not loved it. So we may all not love it!
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Dec 15, 2015 07:54
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I couldn't get tickets that suited my work schedule until the 23rd. I just realised how loving long that'll be. While you nerds are watching and making GBS threads about the film I'll be rewatching the OT.
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Dec 15, 2015 08:08
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I should have played Anakin why didn't George ask me? Holy gently caress Jake Lloyd's older than me. Cnut the Great posted:Chances are he'd been dragged to so many acting classes and auditions by his parents that he didn't even know how to act like an actual kid anymore. That's a lot to put on a child based on 4 seconds of video footage.
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Dec 16, 2015 20:42
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Jerkface posted:no one wants to watch an actual child in a movie. Nah. A naturalistic child could be great in a movie if handled properly. There's a fine line between annoying and childlike. Jake Lloyd never really crosses it.
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Dec 16, 2015 20:53
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Darko posted:The idea of starting with the "pure innocence" of a child is great. It assumes that it heightens empathy and connection and makes the audience struggle harder while watching someone grow up into the dictator of the galaxy. The prequels are completely full of good ideas like this. Solution: Episode 1 Anakin is a child, Obi Wan befriends him. Episode 2 Anakin is 15-16, he's still cool with Obi Wan and everything's good, and an exciting plot is happening and we see the two characters bond a lot. Maybe the film ends with some event that causes a rift between them. Episode 3 Anakin is 20 and starting to develop some legit grievances. Then spend a full 2 hours turning him (rather than the 25 minutes we got in RotS). Or make Anakin older from the start (ie 30 or so) and have at least all of Episode 1 involve him as a fully fledged Jedi who helps out with whatever the plot is. Then have Episode 3 be 99% about the Empire's rise, and Anakin's turn is a small piece of that puzzle.
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Dec 16, 2015 21:28
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jivjov posted:The general movie going audience does seem to overwhelmingly prefer the OT You're not in a general movie going audience.
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Dec 17, 2015 19:35
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As I cannot watch the stupid new film, I watched The New Hopes. It's a really good film I liked it there's a lot of shooting it's really loud. The line about Owen not wanting Anakin to not get involved with the Clone Wars and Beru saying that Luke is like his father make no sense in retrospect. 0/10
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Dec 17, 2015 22:12
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thrawn527 posted:Sure hope anyone who cares saw my post and turned off avatars. Seriously, thank you man.
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Dec 17, 2015 22:21
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I can kind of understand clapping over the credits, but if you clap or cheer during the actual film you need to get the gently caress out of the room and think about what you've done. I've paid loving money to sit here.
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Dec 17, 2015 22:25
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ImpAtom posted:So have they. And I'm respectfully not screaming at the top of my voice every time I'm excited, scared, amused, happy or sad.
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Dec 17, 2015 22:28
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Yo is there any particularly killer track on the OST that I should check out before seeing the movie? The equivalent of Duel of the Fates or that love song or anything?
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Dec 18, 2015 08:09
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Lotta black text in this thread. In 2015 would Luke have been court marshalled for turning off his targeting computer and recklessly endangering the success of the mission? From the rebellion's perspective he was just showing off.
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Dec 19, 2015 13:42
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Man, I just watched Empire for the first time in like 10 years, and it really does blow every single other film in the series out of the water. It's by far the best looking of the films (it looks like the only one that had a real budget outside of the prequels) and everything from the proto-Danny Elfman sounding main theme to the actually good script to the incredible lighting just feels so different to everything that the series was bogged down by afterwards. It's the only one that feels like a hugely cinematic blockbuster movie. I've always ranked ANH higher in my brain but nah, this is the poo poo. Imagine if this style was the direction the series went in. How loving good would that have been?
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Dec 19, 2015 22:58
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Seeing it a week after release and all the negative nancies on the internet really tempered my expectations, but nah that was a drat great movie. Loved it. Finn and Rey are easily up there with the best characters and performances of the whole series, and I was a bit worried about Kylo Ren but he was way more interesting and weighty than I expected. Disney I hereby give you permission to pump these films/spin offs/toys/theme park rides as much as you want.
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Dec 23, 2015 14:22
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Krowley posted:Lots of star wars heroes aren't force sensitive (which as I understand means 'can manipulate the force'), some of them are just regular badasses Yeah discounting the prequels and EU I can't think of many characters at all that are actually shown to be force sensitive. We barely even see Leia use it.
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Dec 23, 2015 15:13
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computer parts posted:So I have one theory as to Rey's parentage other than the obvious one foreshadowed by the movie: Huh, I never really though about what happened to Luke's other trainees. Surely if Kylo turned them we'd have seen them with the First Order at some point? Maybe they each have their own little Irish island to stand on.
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Dec 23, 2015 17:17
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thrawn527 posted:Snoke does mention Kylo's The Knights of Ren, so Kylo has some other group out there, and I feel we're supposed to assume they're Force users as well. We just don't see them in this movie. Ah fair enough. Does anyone know who played the Scottish smuggler that confronted Han? I didn't catch the character's name and I can't find him on IMDB. I felt like I recognised him from somewhere though.
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Dec 23, 2015 18:03
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:He has spooky powers, kills a beloved main character, is clearly mentally unstable and commands a large army. Does that not read as threatening to you? Agreed. Kylo is a threat because he's a hosed up idiot who just killed his best, last chance at going back to the life he misses. Being good at his job has nothing to do with it. You think Snoke keeps him employed for his effective leadership or command skills? This arguing about who the more good baddie is is depressing. Good, interesting movie villains are very rarely the ones that are the best at their jobs. Also I really wish they hadn't called the villain Snoke. Just call him Supreme Leader for the time being and keep the silly name in the novels, Sheev style. stev fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Dec 23, 2015 18:58
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MisterBibs posted:Have him lead the attack in the beginning, pull the BB8 data from Poe's brain on the planet, remove his hissy fits, remove the scene where he's whining to Valders mask, not be force-clowned by someone untrained, kill someone in ightsaber combat when his opponents are untrained. So basically take out all the parts that made the character interesting and something more than 'scary masked man'? Yeah ok.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:20
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MisterBibs posted:Things that prevent the movie's core Bad Guy from being anything approaching dangerous are not interesting or engaging. This is stupid. You're stupid.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:28
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MisterBibs posted:Then have him be the apprentice to an Actually Threatening Bad Guy who gets offed, whose death pushes him to be that Bad Guy. Didn't you see the giant monster in the chair?
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Dec 23, 2015 20:35
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ImpAtom posted:I like how Mr. Bibs solution is Darth fuckin' Maul because that was such a great character. Reminder: A lot of people think Dark Maul is a great character, and that the prequels would have been amazing if he'd lived through them.
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Dec 23, 2015 20:49
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MisterBibs posted:Darth Maul was more threatening than Kylo Ren. Sure, his character was as deep as Holy loving poo poo, dude. Stop.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:00
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Darth Maul, Kylo Ren, and Darth Vader are all equally good characters. Kylo simply gets the most complex backstory. I really don't want you to explain, but I'm going to ask you to explain anyway.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:12
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turtlecrunch posted:Well, he also thinks he's talking to his ghost so that's something on the side of "he doesn't want to be Vader". He says he wants to finish what Vader started, presumably wiping out all the Jedi (aka Luke) or converting Luke to the Dark Side? I wouldn't be surprised if he sort of ignores the part where Vader killed his own master to save someone he loves, or basically sees that as a failing of Vader he wants to correct. Unless by 'finish what he started' he means destroying the Sith and he's actually on a covert mission to kill Snoke and he had to kill Han to keep up the pretence and get closer to him. He is the Snape of Star Wars I have decided.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:26
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MisterBibs posted:Contrast with a double lightsaber, which looks more threatening than a normal saber Not really. It looks like a lit up prop for a kung fu movie. Kylo's lightsabre might be poo poo, but it looks like a huge, devastating claymore.
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Dec 23, 2015 21:48
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MisterBibs posted:Darth Vader doesn't lose his threat when he walks on screen. It increases. Kylo's drops. Right, you haven't seen ESB or RotJ. I get it now.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:00
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Icon-Cat posted:
Man that rancor scared the poo poo out of me. That is a U rated movie.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:17
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Actually, I was scared of Darth Vader when I was eight years old, soooooo
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Dexter Jettster is hugely controversial. Darth Maul has fascinated people for years. Having bad things in a movie does not make the movie interesting stop this.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:47
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MisterBibs posted:You are aware that there's a side in this discussion trying to paint Kylo as threatening? "Actually Kylo Is Threatening" is on par with "Actually It's About Ethics In X", as far as supportable theses are concerned. Threatening in a way that you don't believe to be threatening because you've never been exposed to fiction or the real world.
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Dec 23, 2015 22:54
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