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I watched episode 1-3 and haven't read the book, and ignored all but the first few pages in this thread. The first pages already mentioned the timescale and yeah I just have to agree. Everything seems to happen to fast. I don't remember it because I was half asleep when I binged the first three episodes, but I think it was in the first or second episode where Quentin mentions that they've only been at school for three months. In this same three months Julia was able to seemingly learn more magic than Quentin and also, this is the part I didn't believe, get a loving wrist tattoo and hide it from her boyfriend. I'm completely baffled how this is even possible. The scene where Eliot shows Quentin the school and the different cliques was just a scene by scene copy of Mean Girls. Not that I'm complaining, just stating a fact. But speaking of Eliot, I get that the school probably asked him to be a student helper/ambassador type to welcome Quentin when he first sets foot on campus and then to even give him a tour, but what I don't get is, why is he still around? The episodes thus far have shown me no reason to believe that they are friends or have any reason to be friends. The not-rape scene in the bathroom was really stupid. I get that they were going for the whole "push someone into unleashing their powers" thing but did they seriously have to rip off her shirt and tie her up? It was kind of gross. Even ignoring the grossness of the scene, I seemed really out of place to me that someone would go from "oh poo poo I'm going to get raped by a literal psychic" to "let me follow you into your secret abandoned warehouse all by myself fully aware that you can tie me up with your mind powers and render my magic, what little I know, completely useless." I didn't really understand the scene where the girl stole the book and the crystal. I get that she stole them for the Head Bitch of New York, but why did Penny steal the crystal from her? If these crystals ward of magic then why didn't the Dean have one with him when he went to fight the Beast? Then there's the entire problem with the world building: - I'm just not sure how the world with wizards are structured. In the Harry Potter world, wizards are a literal secret society and magic use is heavily regulated. There you have people born to magical families and they go to magical school to learn about it. In The Magicians, I guess you also have people born into magical families (Alice), but they don't actually have proper magical training until they're adults, and it's also not regulated if you have the existence of hedge witches and being able to use magic in the "real world" in front of a camera equipped ATM. But, they must be aware of magic, because at the Magic SAT everybody but Julia and Quentin were totally not phased by the fact that they have a piece of paper in front of them changing every few seconds. So this just leads me to believe that everybody else in the room were born to magical families and/or made aware of magic and had somehow prepared for the Magic SAT like we'd prepare for the SAT or GRE. So then, what went wrong with Quentin and Julia's lives that nobody made them aware of magic and prepared them for it? Then you have the very first lecture of the very first day of magic school, and instead of teaching a syllabus the teacher simply asks a random student to come show what they can do. Some people know more magic than others, where did they learn it? Alice was taught by her brother sure, but everyone else? - The mindwipe magic must be the weakest mindwipe magic in the world if a random cut on the arm is going to make you remember to google for the name of a university that doesn't exist. - What's the deal with Quentin even? He's some kind of "chosen" one. I think the Dean and/or the Specialist Lady literally says that he is chosen (along with Penny). Ignoring the fact that the chosen one trope is really boring, they also have shown or told me why he's chosen. Harry Potter was a pretty lovely wizard when he started out, but at least they told me why he was chosen: because of his links to Voldemort. Quentin is a lovely wizard who's only made cards fly around, but yet he's chosen and we don't know why. The scene where the Teacher Lady in the Dress and Heels even made it a point to say that Quentin can't do any magic or something like that. At this point he's kind of a boring character, and the only reason why he's the lead character so far is because he's the lead character. There's no other reason. The show is doing a lovely job at selling me that he's important because three episodes in and it's not clear. What we did see with Quentin so far though is that 1) he can just do magic under stress like he did with the cards. The show has so far made it very obvious by zooming in on people's weird hand gestures that you need to do a lot of weird poo poo in order to cast a spell. But the floating cards scene, Quentin just does it by will. I'm going to guess that this is extremely rare, or maybe I'm just completely wrong and not all magic require you to bend your fingers in inhuman ways. And 2), they made it a point to show that Quentin had a photographic memory of seeing that girl do the battle magic spell and was instantly able to imitate every explicit finger position and the words to cast it, without any training. Also, what was the deal with Quentin dropping the coin during the scene with the Beast? Everything and everyone was frozen in place and then all of a sudden Quentin drops his coin. Is this a plot point later on in the books/show? Because with this "chosen one" bullshit I guess I could see this as another display of Quentin's magical plot power, that he can (will be able to) will himself out of power spells like being in stasis and so on. So correct me if I'm wrong but Quentin is just a super powered wizard with unlimited potential because midichlorians.
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Na'at posted:You're bad at watching tv. I didn't get to the part in the first spoiler and as for the second spoiler… what? Is this just another edge of tomorrow story? So there's literally nothing special about Quentin or Penny that the Paramedic lady said that these two were chosen, other than the fact that they were chosen?
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Apr 13, 2016 15:39
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Tiggum posted:Nope. Wow seriously? I thought him not being given a magic school equivalent of a college major was something significant/because he's (going to be) good at everything.
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Finished watching episodes 4-7 last night. Episode 4: the plot with Marina and putting Quentin in a dream state didn't make sense to me at all. It seems like being able to just put someone into said dream state just like that, is way too loving powerful and why hasn't it been abused more often? Why didn't the dean go chasing after Marina after finding out she's stolen her memories back? I'm assuming Julia told him that's what they were after because why wouldn't she? The whole removing the magical wards thing just to do this one cure seems really dumb too from the point of view of rendering your entire school completely vulnerable to all the magical things out there. They really should have known better since not just a few days, weeks, or months ago (who knows, it's time!) a magical death beast just waltz right into the school and killed a teacher. Episode 5: the Filory thing was pretty interesting. Also Marina seems really super uber powerful. Why isn't the dean doing anything about this again? Because he's not the magical police? Is there a magical police? It seems really irresponsible to teach these people how to control minds and summon fireballs and then just letting them go off to do whatever the gently caress they want to do without any regards to what they might do. You could say schools in real life kind of do the same, but at least there's the whole society of police, regulations, etc., going on. If I choose go to school as a computer scientist and decide to use that to hack the government then there's the whole FBI/CIA/NSA whatever agencies who are going to come down hard on me. If I go to school to learn how to conjure fireballs and decide to blow up banks then who's going to stop me in that world? Episode 6: the trials seem kind of like bullshit in my opinion. At first I thought they were just some kind of hazing ritual, but it actually has real consequences and expels you from the school? What kind of bullshit is that?  at making Julia and the mother look like junkies. I guess that's basically what they are though. "Do you have the stuff? Give it to me. . I don't really get the deal with the mother/daughter thing. The mother hosed up somehow and Marina helped her out and in return "bought" the daughter and now she's a Episode 7: nothing really bad to say about this episode except cool, we got to see Quentin do magic. Also I was wrong about the whole non-verbal thing so I guess it doesn't actually matter at all. What I don't get though is the whole training or lack of training these people are getting. The Russian professor was basically telling Penny "yep you can disappear to somewhere completely random and die but I'll teach you! now go disappear to somewhere random and hope you don't die." And then there's like the part where the professor just throws Quentin and Alice out into the cold and telling them to survive but without actually teaching them how to survive or what to do. What kind of lovely education is this? I also really hope the plot with Penny's girlfriend is over because she's quite a boring character and her story is boring. I forgot which episode had the Djinn but how did he get summoned into the school with all the wards up and poo poo? I'm pretty sure this happened after the episode where they made it a point to say that the wards prevent everything from coming in and that's why they had to lower them to save Quentin. Actually now that I think about it, the Beast was able to get into the school with the wards intact because he was invited basically. Well the scorpion thing was also summoned/invited. How come he/it couldn't just enter like the Beast did? Do we find out what happened to the 3rd year students?
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Emerson Cod posted:They created the Djinn, they didnt summon it. Or at least that was the impression I got. Sure, but that doesn't explain the scorpion thing though.
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Apr 15, 2016 12:51
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I didn't know the beast was a person. Looked pretty demon-y to me.
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Apr 15, 2016 17:24
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Tiggum posted:This show is really into rape. It's weird. Man you really weird kidding.
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Apr 16, 2016 16:15
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Is there a good summary writeup or video of S1? Asking for a friend who doesn't remember most of what's happened in it so all the references in the new season doesn't really make sense to me. Its me I'm the friend.
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Feb 5, 2017 11:44
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I thought the last episode was kind of terrible. In the "holy loving poo poo you are all literally dumber than Trump" sense.
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Tiggum posted:The way they just totally ignore all the people doing magic without going through any formal education, and don't seem to be planning to do anything about Reynard (or any other magical problems that exist in the outside world) suggests that Brakebills and wizards in general just don't really give a poo poo about anyone but themselves though. She did pass the exam though and she always did/had. It's just that this time Jane decided to fail her to see if it would make a difference and it did but now Jane is dead so we're stuck in this timeline where Julia is obviously capable of magic and would have passed with flying colors were it not for Jane.
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Feb 25, 2017 06:11
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coyo7e posted:It's what the beast offered to remove/tweak so Julia wouldn't care about the rape. It's sorta your soul. What does this mean in magician land? What does a soul do? Does everyone have one or just magicians?
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Mar 16, 2017 11:33
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Can someone spoil what happens next in the book or tell me in which book to search spoilers for?
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They they even acknowledge the book and it's differences at some point. Separate spoilers to elaborate above minor detail so don't look if you don't want to know: They acknowledge the time loops and have a throwaway line or two about some of the characters having different names "from before" so it's all worked in there about why they're older I would presume.
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Sep 20, 2017 06:04
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Did Penny die while he was astrally projected?
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Jan 27, 2018 17:15
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I just binged the last three episodes and something caught my attention. When Margot was talking to Jane(?) inside the time bubble, Jane said something like, "in here all moment exist at the same time" and Margot wishes that she could build a time bubble to live in as well. At the end of the episode Q and Elliott walk into Margot's room and they both experienced the same moments in time together. Is this hinting at something that Margot did?
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Feb 22, 2018 21:43
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The moral of the story is that they need to help and trust each other to succeed. Which is why Elliott immediately told Alice to gently caress off once they solved their immediate problem, as if he didn’t learn anything, because he didn’t.
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Mar 9, 2018 10:37
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Maybe I’m just misremembering but I thought everybody in fillory had magic abilities before it all vanished. But the scene with the king/queen people suggested otherwise. Are the human looking people in fillory humans?
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Mar 16, 2018 18:05
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XboxPants posted:Y'know, it never occurred to me that if our present timeline is the best possible scenario, that must mean all those other worlds must have went hellaciously loving sideways. Like our gang has made a pretty big mess of things, but holy poo poo. Every timeline before the current one has been murdered by the beast.
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Mar 23, 2018 04:19
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This show is fun. I’m really enjoying Julia’s ascension to godhood or whatever she is.Spanish Matlock posted:Magic was gone because Quentin killed Ember, and now they CAN'T fix it because they stole one of the keys. Which means there's one extra key in timeline 40, although since this is a time-seeing key it might be causally stable and only exist in one incarnation across all timelines. Yeah I thought that’s why magic went away. Marina would have obviously not known that. I think you might be right about the one set of keys thing though. Q23 specifically said he saw Julia let some monster in, but Q23’s Julia is dead so it must have been another JUlia. Unless Julia23 was brought back to life too I guess. Would you guys who’ve read the books recommend them? I’m looking for something new to read.
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I rewatched s1e1 cause you guys were discussing it earlier and wow why was Quentin such a dick to Julia? I’m talking about the scene where she tells him that she remembers Brakebills and shows him she can do magic. Quentin is suppose to be her best friend and he just acts like a “gatekeeper” type, you know one of those “you can’t like my hobby because you didn’t study the fine art of every single detail like I have” shitheads. e: Wait a minute, was that first episode it’s own entirely self-contained timeline? I haven’t rewatched s1e2 but at the end of s1e1 doesn’t the beast kill the dean and Quentin? Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Mortanis posted:Quentin, if only you knew someone with god-powers that is getting into the business of answering prayers and might be able to heal your father. lol
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Mar 29, 2018 19:06
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Woden posted:What was the deal with the key paradox? It seemed like a set up where Q and crew would be bringing the second set to unchain the dude in prison but it went nowhere. I thought it was just a 4th wall type joke continuity errors. I was thinking the exact same thing (“wait the doors swallowed the keys…”) and then Elliott-as-us pointed it out which was met with hand waving explanations. Like the whole parsec thing in Star Wars. This is a really lovely way the end the season for a year. I don’t mind minor cliffhangers and teasers to get me excited for the next season but that just felt like an abrupt end in the middle of an episode. I could see why Julia’s powers had to go away. Them having a literal god that can teleport and read minds and heal things was just too strong. It was either Julia’s powers go or Julia herself and I’m glad it was the powers. I don’t get why Calypso couldn’t have just told them “hey there’s a magical spirit monster that literally can’t be killed even by that bullet you have that I know about because I’m a god and I can read your minds, and killing the host will only spread it to someone else.”
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Blazing Ownager posted:After the Library appeared out of nowhere I completely lost what the gently caress was going on for the last part mostly. There was a lot going on but here’s how I understood it: - The group wanted the keys so that they could turn on magic via the fountain. - The library wanted to completely control who gets access to magic and how much of it they get. The siphon presumably sucks up magic into a vault that they can dole out as they wish. - Alice wanted to get rid of magic completely by destroying the way to turn it back on, the keys. She asked the dean for the potion so that she wouldn’t remember that magic existed. - The dean was working with the library for reasons unknown and went and told them about Alice’s plans. - Meanwhile the lady and dude hunting fairies were freelancers the library hired to do Alice’s original job to siphon the magic away. They probably would get more access to magic this way or something.
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Tiggum posted:They've made it pretty clear that he's essentially a different person though. Like, they haven't brought Penny back, they've just got this new guy who's a bit like him. It's not like Arrow/Flash/LoT's magic herbs and lazarus pits and time travel shenanigans. Maybe it’s more a complaint on how fantasy creatures work but I just don’t buy the “a shotgun to the face doesn’t hurt vampires because they don’t feel pain” thing because whether they do or don’t feel pain is inconsequential when the shotgun will literally remove half of their head and put holes into the rest of it. Like supposedly lobsters don’t feel pain yet I’m pretty sure chopping off it’s tail with a hatchet is going to kill it, you know?
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Not sure how I feel about this. Much rather prefer a show about random people doing random jobs. (Is season 4 still based on the books or have we gone past that?) Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Nov 24, 2018 |
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OK I just started watching the current season and I am super duper confused about what's going on. I've seen the other seasons but I just don't really remember much. I'm vaguely reminded that they are currently in a different timeline because I think Marina is dead in our timeline (well, she ded in both now) and I thought Penny was as well. This is the timeline where Quentin was the Beast right? What happened to the original timeline again? Who are the McCallisters again and why are they so special that they apparently don't have magic rationed? Speaking of magic rationing, does whatever the Library is doing affect all worlds and timelines or just Earth? Or in other words can they do magic in Fillory? Do gods also have magic rationed? What ever happened with the elves from last season? As far as the quickening storyline, I'm calling bullshit that Josh could not find one willing person to gently caress who had a fetish for werwolves. In a world where there are people getting off to drawings of dinosaurs having sex with cars and furrys are a thing I'm pretty sure there's got to be someone out there who is like "gently caress yeah I wanna be a werwolf." Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Feb 18, 2019 11:23
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GreenNight posted:Those are the same descriptions on my DVR Like I said Josh was freaking out about finding a non-werewolf human to have sex with for absolutely no reason at all.
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Mar 23, 2019 08:25
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muscles like this! posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWhzx4_YNsM I love how everyone is out of character costume and then there’s this 
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Rhyno posted:The cast has reported for work on the new season! For some reason I thought last season’s ending was the series ending. Was this ever the case or am I just remembering wrong?
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Aug 21, 2019 12:14
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I'm probably thinking of the wrong show then. Thanks.
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Loucks posted:I imagine it felt final to those who need a white dude to identify with. 
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