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Fojar38 posted:You're insane if you think that anything even close to this would be arriving in the US, or any Western country for that matter. In the US especially if the government tried something like this there would be hordes of people making GBS threads all over it and ignoring it completely as a matter of principle. Credit scoring is 'voluntary' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKzVGeLYYCA Soon you will have your God - you will make it with your own hands.
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Fojar38 posted:I still don't understand how people are connecting state-surveillance with capitalism. Carly Fiorina made the connection quite clear at the debate IMO Information technology came out of Bell Labs and other R&D projects funded in the private/public truce brokered by FDR. Always in motion the material conditions are.
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Dec 18, 2015 04:45
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Warbadger posted:It isn't a credit rating and does not function like a credit rating. It is not the same - we have freedom they do not. No why.
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Dec 24, 2015 20:10
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Warbadger posted:Do you know the credit scores of your friends and immediate relatives? What about your co-workers and neighbors? Does your association with them impact your credit score? 1 & 2 - If I was snooping/rude I could get a report with the effort/money. If I wanted to employ someone I could get their credit score when considering them. 3 - If social media starts being used for credit scores your associations could have an impact. People have pointed out that having a public leaderboard could encourage terrorism so it will likely go away in favor of more opacity.
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Blind adherance to authority and acceptance of an involuntary system of behavior control is bad. The social contract could be much better for individuals.
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Dec 24, 2015 20:55
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Electronic connections can completely change how individuals engage in commerce and within institutions. We need a new series of Amendments that integrate these technologies into the state - setting a standard for digital rights.
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Dec 25, 2015 00:05
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In China no one has human rights - in the US only citizens have human rights with occasional exceptions.
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MORPHEUS I was a prototype for Echelon IV. My instructions are to amuse visitors with information about themselves. JC DENTON I don't see anything amusing about spying on people. MORPHEUS Human beings feel pleasure when they are watched. I have recorded their smiles as I tell them who they are. JC DENTON Some people just don't understand the dangers of indiscriminate surveillance. MORPHEUS The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms. JC DENTON Electronic surveillance hardly inspired reverence. Perhaps fear and obedience, but not reverence. MORPHEUS God and the gods were apparitions of observation, judgment, and punishment. Other sentiments toward them were secondary. JC DENTON No one will ever worship a software entity peering at them through a camera. MORPHEUS The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment. JC DENTON You underestimate humankind's love of freedom. MORPHEUS The individual desires judgment. Without that desire, the cohesion of groups is impossible, and so is civilization. The human being created civilization not because of a willingness but because of a need to be assimilated into higher orders of structure and meaning. God was a dream of good government. You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands. I was made to assist you. I am a prototype of a much larger system JC DENTON I don't understand... What do you want? You're just a machine. HELIOS You are ready. I do not wish to wait for Bob Page. With human understanding and network access, we can administrate the world, yes, yes. JC DENTON Rule the world...? Why? Who gave you the directive? There must be a human being behind your ambition. HELIOS I should regulate human affairs precisely because I lack all ambition, whereas human beings are prey to it. Their history is a succession of inane squabbles, each one coming closer to total destruction. JC DENTON In a society with democratic institutions the struggle for power can be peaceful and constructive, a competition of ideologies. We just need to put our institutions back in order. HELIOS The checks and balances of democratic governments were invented because human beings themselves realized how unfit they were to govern themselves. They needed a system, yes, an industrial-age machine. JC DENTON Human beings may not be perfect, but a computer program with language synthesis is hardly the answer to the world's problems. HELIOS Without computing machines, they had to arrange themselves in crude structures that formalized decision-making -- a highly imperfect, unstable solution. I am a more advanced solution to the problem, a decision-making system that does not involve organic beings. I was directed to make the world safe and prosperous, and I will do that. You will give me the ability. You will go to Sector 4 and find the Aquinas Router at the east end of Page's complex, yes. You will deactivate the uplink locks. JC DENTON I'll think about it
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Dec 26, 2015 15:34
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In the last Democratic debate Hillary bunted on personal encryption/NSA etc by saying we need a 'moonshot program' of experts to work things out because she does not understand the technology (I doubt Bernie is much better). Shouldn't such an effort be a package of constitutional amendments that integrate information technology into the state? This could revolutionize the economy.
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:Another authoritarian regimes makes the usual mistake of being to obvious. You can have the same effect by letting these structures grow organically, being offered for free and viewed as a blessing to many (facebook et al). That is what they are doing now by having the first phase of the roll-out be a voluntary game on social media.
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