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KIND OF A KIM DEAL posted:He'd be a shoe-in for Secretary of Transportation. Is... is that good? Is he all into light rail and poo poo? I feel we'll know pretty much where we stand on Trump and weed in the first few months.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Is... is that good? Is he all into light rail and poo poo? 
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Gobbeldygook posted:He shut down a bridge for political purposes. Not even political - it was pure personal spite.
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The latest rumors are that there was a "Stalinesque purge" of Christie loyalists and Giuliani just ruled himself out for AG, looks like the AG position is totally up in the air.
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MaxxBot posted:The latest rumors are that there was a "Stalinesque purge" of Christie loyalists and Giuliani just ruled himself out for AG, looks like the AG position is totally up in the air. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-staff-factbox-idUSKBN13A04V quote:ATTORNEY GENERAL Of that lot remaining Gowdy makes the most sense, but honestly I never allowed my brain to think directly about Republican administrations and their appointees.
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Brother Friendship posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-staff-factbox-idUSKBN13A04V Well, Gowdy doesn't look good. But I trust some random anti-weed dude more than Giuliani. edit: oh gently caress.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Is... is that good? Is he all into light rail and poo poo? it is a bridgegate joke
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Brother Friendship posted:http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-staff-factbox-idUSKBN13A04V i hear it will be Sessions but who knows
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Is this just rumor still, or is Canada looking to have a legalization referendum in 2017 rather than just legalize outright? It's not a general referendum, the Liberal government campaigned on legalizing weed in our latest election, which they won. Parliament will vote on the legal weed bill that the Liberals are going to put forth in Spring 2017. Since the Liberals have a majority of seats in the house, the bill will pass. The question at this point is what their timeline is beyond that - pot might not be actually in stores until 2018, or 2019 before the next election if you're cynical.
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One bright spot is the federal government simply doesn't have the raw manpower to wipe out the marijuana industry nationwide, especially at this point now that it's had more or less 8 years to proliferate. The DEA has like 5,000 agents total, you'd need 10 times that, never mind the lawyers and other admin systems you'd need to create. The Republicans have pretty effectively crippled the judicial system by stonewalling nominees so it's not like the DoJ has the time or money to prosecute a million dispensary cases either. Throw in already pissed state governments that will push back very hard on the feds cutting off their new source of zero-complaint tax revenue and it'll be a very interesting standoff. I suppose they could throw a shitload of money at the DoJ to hire a ton of people, but it would be 2020 by the time this goatfuck of an incoming administration gets that ball rolling.
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If they prosecute dispensaries and growers are they going to indict state governments for racketeering or Microsoft for conspiracy to traffic narcotics?
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potee posted:One bright spot is the federal government simply doesn't have the raw manpower to wipe out the marijuana industry nationwide, especially at this point now that it's had more or less 8 years to proliferate. The DEA has like 5,000 agents total, you'd need 10 times that, never mind the lawyers and other admin systems you'd need to create. The Republicans have pretty effectively crippled the judicial system by stonewalling nominees so it's not like the DoJ has the time or money to prosecute a million dispensary cases either. Throw in already pissed state governments that will push back very hard on the feds cutting off their new source of zero-complaint tax revenue and it'll be a very interesting standoff. The DOJ is explicitly banned from spending money to prosecute or investigate marijuana in states where it's legal. That could change with a simple law, however.
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Cross posting from GBS weed thread: Update for any Northern Nevada folks: quote:RENO, Nev. (News 4 & Fox 11) — Nevada prosecutors disagree on whether to continue prosecuting low-level marijuana offenders now that Question 2 has passed and recreational marijuana will be legal in January 2017. Lol. So "legal" marijuana will actually be illegal until dispensaries are setup in 2018+, despite the fact that the state voted for legalization of marijuana. OK then. I'm genuinely curious if this dickbag can actually prosecute for possession after January 1st 2017. I'm really confused though, since the consensus has been saying at least growing would be legal. I'll need to check out the law again, because I thought a grow post Jan-1 was supposed to be legit. Just as a note MJ has been decriminalized for awhile here. I'm guessing that this is all about citation revenue.
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That last sentence is mind-boggling. My city went blue in the election, can we change which party our electoral votes went to?
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Modest Mouse cover band posted:I'm really confused though, since the consensus has been saying at least growing would be legal. I'll need to check out the law again, because I thought a grow post Jan-1 was supposed to be legit. These prosecutors won't have the legal standing to bring cases against most people once the law comes into effect. Word is the Maine recount is unlikely to change the outcome, it passed by just over 4,000 votes in the end.
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Jeff Sessions is Trump's AG, and that doesn't bode well for hopes of a "hands off" federal response.
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bawfuls posted:Jeff Sessions is Trump's AG, and that doesn't bode well for hopes of a "hands off" federal response. Yeah  legal weed.Could there be any legal challenges or are the states boned?
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There are, but all that really needs to happen is congress makes a law to get around the 9th circuit decision against the US spending money to prosecute people in states with legal medical cannabis. Once that happens, 
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I like how the GOP is all about states rights until it is something they want to control
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Yep, came here to post the news about Sessions. It'll be a non-dank, non-woke 4 years =( Truly Clinton's biggest failure.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:theres no way they can crack down on the 30% of the nation's population in legal weed states or whatever the number is So it's going to happen, or at least there's going to be a bumbling effort to try and do it.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:theres no way they can crack down on the 30% of the nation's population in legal weed states or whatever the number is Saying this means they will.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:theres no way they can crack down on the 30% of the nation's population in legal weed states or whatever the number is He won't go after you personally - but sorry for the farmers and the dispensaries. This guy is hardline Alabama style anti drug and pro prison. And in a speech on the Senate floor earlier this year, Sessions criticized President Barack Obama for not being tough enough on marijuana, saying the U.S. could be at the beginning of “another surge in drug use like we saw in the ’60s and ’70s.”
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Were we honestly expecting Trump to appoint someone who isn't an authoritarian turd? We still don't know how Trumps administration plans on handling this and we won't know until they enter office. They may still keep the current status quo for practical or political reasons. These guys can read polls, they know public opinion strongly favors legalization and they are likely smart enough to see that it's a fight that isn't worth picking. 2020 will factor into their thinking. Don't expect the states with legal pot to just drop their laws at the first sign of a fight either. They aren't going to want to give up the revenue and nobody in D.C. can just change state laws, they would have to engage in a long legal battle that will take years to work its way through the courts and will gain them nothing but strong public disapproval. And even if the absolute worst comes to pass and people within Washington manage to force states to dismantle their recreational marijuana programs we will see the eight states with legal revert to decriminalized and we will keep making progress on that front both at the ballot box and in state legislatures until the situation on Capitol Hill becomes more favorable. Don't expect them to even try fighting medical programs at all, they are way too popular to touch at this point. This ain't over by a long shot. fat bossy gerbil has issued a correction as of 21:47 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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I sincerely hope you're right, but the "assume the worst" way of thinking hasn't been wrong yet on the new administration.
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Lawman 0 posted:Yeah Legally, the States can't do anything however State and Local Law Enforcement can't be compelled to enforce Federal Law. I have a hard time seeing Federal Law Enforcement arresting otherwise law abiding citizens and putting them in Federal Prison.
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fat bossy gerbil posted:And even if the absolute worst comes to pass and people within Washington manage to force states to dismantle their recreational marijuana programs we will see the eight states with legal revert to decriminalized and we will keep making progress on that front both at the ballot box and in state legislatures until the situation on Capitol Hill becomes more favorable. Don't expect them to even try fighting medical programs at all, they are way too popular to touch at this point. DC is a good case-study for this. Voted to legalize in 2014, and Congress was unable to stop that happening but was able in the Cromnibus Bill to tack on a rider preventing any further changes to DC's marijuana laws. So DC right now it's totally legal (locally) to grow plants at home, gift and receive (but not trade/buy) cannabis, use it on private property not open to the public, etc. I don't know if eight other states want to follow DC and just go "welp, we'd really like to have a regulated cannabis economy, but since you won't let us do that we're just going to let people do whatever provided it's not passing someone a handful of cash right in front of a cop, so whatever." DC has limited ways to get back-talky with Congress because of its status, but actual real states have a lot more latitude. I was going to say "Sessions has to get *confirmed* first" but as of this morning Politico is saying that the Dems lack the leverage, and would need defecting Republicans to block Sessions: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/jeff-sessions-attorney-general-confirmation-231602 This could be a bumpy ride.
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Tab8715 posted:Legally, the States can't do anything however State and Local Law Enforcement can't be compelled to enforce Federal Law. I have a hard time seeing Federal Law Enforcement arresting otherwise law abiding citizens and putting them in Federal Prison. This will obviously put a damper on the industry, artificially inflate prices, and deter some people from entering the industry in the first place.
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shiksa posted:weed becomes ultra-prohibited, all citizens must report for mandatory drug testing 5 days after the election and any with traces of thc in their system are imprisoned just long enough to load enough guns for the mass firing squad. remember when this was a troll post
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Seems to me like the majority of states have at least medical marijuana, there might be a path there to pressure republican senators to try to push for a less anti-weed AG.
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What about the Vicinage Clause? How are they going to reliably get juries to convict when 60-80% of a state doesn't agree with the federal government? Wasting millions of dollars is bad optics.
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I think that Sessions will try some BS but the states will push back hard, it's going to be messy.
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MaxxBot posted:I think that Sessions will try some BS but the states will push back hard, it's going to be messy. Good
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MaxxBot posted:I think that Sessions will try some BS but the states will push back hard, it's going to be messy. Good it will make the Dems have to embrace ending federal prohibition.
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Jeff Sessions, Donald Trump's new attorney general, said the Ku Klux Klan 'was OK until I found out they smoked pot’
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Crowsbeak posted:Good it will make the Dems have to embrace ending federal prohibition. It will have to be one of their platforms in 2020 to have some legs for voter appeal probably. And to do that, they have to adopt the progressives.
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Lastgirl posted:And to do that, they have to adopt the progressives. ahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaha
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