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Silver2195 posted:Good Morning is the superior opening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAflk4baHWE Prefer this one, not so much because of the music but because of how good everything looks against the darkened city. The music is is still pretty good though.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I always feel a bit of sadness for bit characters who get killed off. No one should go out the way Pokkle did. What Pitou did to him was just horrific.
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Butt Ghost posted:Ah man, Chrollo versus Ging could be so good. Chrollo throwing crazy powers at Ging, and Ging just immediately learning how to use those powers himself. Chrollo killing Ging would be a way to make Chrollo more of an antagonist towards Gon, but I thought of that, so it's probably too obvious for Hunter x Hunter to do anyway. Besides, Gon doesn't care about Ging too much after meeting him. I feel like Ging might become an enboss himself or something. I can't say for sure where this series is going.
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Mischitary posted:I saw one of the movies a while ago, Last Mission. It was so bad. "On" as a concept is just so stupid. It's the opposite of Nen...because it's fueled by hatred? Nen is just something that exists and people can use it how they like, man, it ain't like the force or something. So dumb. Don't watch it. I always use that movie as an example of why the 2011 team never really got HxH. They just never really got Nen as a concept, they always treated it like Ki or the force as you said, when really it's just a tool everyone can use and it's a really personal thing at that, with strict limitations on what can and can't be done. It isn't some force for good or evil, it just exists as is and how it's used is entirely up to the user. That stupid puppet member in the first movie for example doesn't follow any of the basic rules of Nen. He does things that only maybe Kurapika with Emperor Time on would be able to do, but even then it's pretty unlikely. They even have the Uvogin puppet shooting out his Big Bang Impact as an emission blast for christs sake, which not only would Uvo not be able to do because that's never what he made that move into, but the puppet guy would have to be doing a mix of Conjuration, Manipulation, Emission and Enhancement at the same time at 100% of each categories max potential in which is pretty much impossible for anyone except Kurapika to do just to pull that off.
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Roland Jones posted:Oh right. Poor Tocino. Though, Tocino used his dolls to defend himself, so his own body was unprotected when they fell; I wonder how, say, a decent Enhancer actually putting their Nen into their body would stand against Franklin. I imagine only someone like Uvogin could withstand him to be honest and he's pretty much one of the best enhancers we see in the series. He's shooting alot of bullets and many nen users, even decent ones like Tsezguerra, have difficulty stopping more than a couple at a time from normal guns, let alone the enhanced nen bullets he's shooting at people. You'd have to be on at least Gon's level to even have a chance of taking even the initial barrage head on.
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Emperor Time does take a toll on him as explained in one of the more recent chapters where he's looking over the Hunter exam candidates, but that thing where he broke down into a sweat and passed out afterwards was because of how sick he felt killing people and because he was forced to let Chrollo get away to save his friends. It's even implied a little later on when the Troupe is discussing Nen curses, that Pakunodas loyalty caused her nen to have some sort of effect on him after death but that one is a bit of a stretch.
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Gyges posted:Probably when he realized that he wanted a really powerful ability. Kurapika talked about it with Gon and Killua that the more restrictions you place on an ability, the more powerful it becomes. It's like how Gon gave up his life and abilities in exchange for being fast forwarded to the point in his life where he would be powerful enough to stomp Pitou into the ground. Yeah Killuas ability in particular requires extremely specific and extensive experience with electricity to the point where you won;t feel the pain while using it, which I imagine is close to impossible for most people in the series to learn. Even Bisuke was shocked that anyone, let alone someone at his age would be able to use electricity as their hatsu. Manipulators,Specialists and Conjurers would probably have the roughest time coming up with suitable abilities because you have to devise all these rules to make your ability any decent at all and even then you will always have to branch out into other nen types to make them work effectively.
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Bad Seafood posted:That's what I thought at first, until you realize he's living in a shounen universe where people love to show off their techniques and talk about them during battle. Really, the only tricky bits are getting his opponents to touch the book and leaving them alive afterwards. Doesn't really apply in Hunter x Hunter though. For example Knuckle only ever tells Gon what his ability does because he's trying to teach him how to properly use Nen, but on everyone else he never says a word and the opponent is left guessing as to what exactly it does. Hisoka's another exception because he likes messing with his opponents and really even if you know what Bungee Gum does, that doesn't help you too much because of how versatile the ability is. Everyone else pretty much keeps it under wraps because as the characters themselves discuss, knowing what your opponent can do gives such an incredible advantage over one another in Nen fights, like when Gon fought Genthuru. It's what I like about Hunter x Hunter fights the most actually, it's a game of deception where you try to make your opponent think you do this specific thing, when really you do something else entirely. I mean Gon pretty much shouts his ability and even it has an element of deception to it because even though you see him charging his fist, you don't know if he's firing something or your just trying to punch you really hard.
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Genocyber posted:That would probably turn out horribly given how bad the two movies are (one of which is even based off an abandoned plot point of Togashi's). Agreed. When left to it's own devices, the 2011 version fell into some really bad shonen troupes and general dumbness. Like for example when Kite is around, there's this filler bit where they're being chased by flying chimera ants and Killua is just chucking out lightning bolts left and right, even though up until this point in the manga they've been trying to keep their abilities under wraps and know it's a bad idea to show it like that. He even does it right in front of the fly chimera ant that's used to scout out things for the king later on, so I was just shaking my head when the character is saying he'll be watching closely to see what Killua's ability is, because he already saw the drat thing. Or other dumb moments where instead of debuting scissors on the centipede immediately as he's jumped on, the show literally stops has them stand there for 5 minutes and has the Centipede imagine the scenario of whatever the ability will be and then he goes back to jumping on Gon anyway.
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Clarste posted:This actually seems a bit silly to me. The idea that an experienced fighter like Uvo wouldn't think to use Gyo when things are even the slightest bit suspicious stretches my disbelief. I mean, he probably didn't go through that exact training that Biscuit did, when Gon and Killua were trained to use Gyo immediately, but it just seems like a standard precaution nen users use regularly. I'd say that fight was just meant to teach the audience how important this is, except for the fact that we already saw the exact same "hidden nen" thing with Hisoka against Castro. They can't do that. It's like when they focus Nen into their fist, it draws aura from everywhere else on the body. During the middle of a fight doing poo poo like that can get you killed because you're leaving so many spots open. Besides the whole idea behind what Kurapkia does is to fool them into thinking it's manipulation of chains by having them out in the open, 99% of people just aren't going to question that. Most people are probably going to use Gyo right at the start or if something fishy is happening mid fight, but otherwise they're not going to waste the energy checking stuff out constantly. That's why Kurapikas plan to show his chains was so clever, because he counted on that happening to even the most experienced of Nen users.
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Clarste posted:This actually seems a bit silly to me. The idea that an experienced fighter like Uvo wouldn't think to use Gyo when things are even the slightest bit suspicious stretches my disbelief. I mean, he probably didn't go through that exact training that Biscuit did, when Gon and Killua were trained to use Gyo immediately, but it just seems like a standard precaution nen users use regularly. I'd say that fight was just meant to teach the audience how important this is, except for the fact that we already saw the exact same "hidden nen" thing with Hisoka against Castro.
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Clarste posted:That's what his fast movement is. His reflexes move faster than his nerve signals, but by definition that means all his movements have to be preprogrammed. Like that, he can only deal with predictable fighting styles. No you're thinking of the second part of his ability. Kanmaru has two forms , the one where he just moves really fast and the one where he he can move faster than what his body allows. So against the dartboard ants, he knew what was coming so he does what you said and is able to stop it. Mostly he's just gonna use it to run fast. They explain this as he's fighting Youpi as well.
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davidHalestorm posted:What about Netero? The Hunter X Hunter wiki stated that he is an Enhancer but to operate the 100-Hand Guanyin, it seemed you needed mastery in every category but since Netero is apparently over 100 years old, I suppose he had the talent and the time maximised his potential. I mean, I struggled how anyone else, besides obviously the Chimera Ant King, could survive a fight with Netero if he is serious. I mean, the Zero Hand move is basically a DragonBall beam attack. He emits the statue, enhances the blows and manipulates the hands? Why would you need all the nen types for that? He actually only needs three for it to operate. He puts pretty stringent conditions on in both having to making a long prayer before he moves and then having to make complicated hand gestures to do additional string attacks in order to overcome the fact that his manipulation skills would be weak. The only reason it works so well is because he specifically trained the motion until it got so fast you couldn't even see it happening. Meruem even comments on this saying that to achieve that kind've of speed for one specific movement is inconceivable, anyone that dedicated their time to it to that level would have to be bordering on madness. Zero hand is just him doing the same thing, but emitting all his nen into a blast Mikl posted:I've been re-reading Yu Yu Hakusho, and near the end you can start to see creative uses of powers which would later (in HunterxHunter) become Nen. The taboo power showdown was always my favorite. It only works because despite his personal limitations on range (which I'm sure if he had more time to train it, that power would've been absurdly strong), the team is forced into playing the game on his terms because they can't just muscle their way through. He just took that concept of that in HxH and ran with it. It's never straight up power levels, the specialised Nen abilites like God's Accomplice or Kortopis copy ability are valued way more than people who are just straight up fighters and I love it
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Ytlaya posted:As someone else mentioned, the key difference is that conjuration creates an actual object that normal people can see. As long as the conjured object is around, for all practical purposes it's a real thing. Nope just Emission and Manipulation are required. Think of something like Goreinus gorillas or Razors devils and you get a pretty good idea of what decent emitters who don't just focus on making projectile attacks can actually do.
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Momomo posted:Alluka's entire existence is a pretty big retcon, but since she ended up being her own character instead of just a plot device, I can mostly let it slide. Killua's backstory makes a bit less sense now because of it, but I don't think it matters that much. His character is more about his development now, and not really about his past. The panel where they say goodbye kind've hints otherwise. They shake hands looking all happy, but then they turn away and you see their faces look sad/somber. I think the point of that was to show that while they seem happy around one another, Gon's still plagued by guilt over what he did to himself and Killua, while Killua is still upset over how Gon acted towards him even if he has forgiven him a little bit. It could've even be an act so Killua wouldn't upset Alluka. That's just the take I got on the scene, because even the goodbye was weird. They just kinda say it and walk off and it's not natural like their conversations usually are. Hell, Killua would've normally asked Gon to go with him for something like that.
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Jose posted:its emission with a very minor amount of transmutation to give it shape surely. conjuration would be something normal people can see Nah transmuters change their auras into substances. What you're thinking of is manipulation in that it both controls the devils and shapes their form. Think of something like Morels smoke creations which is explicitly stated to be both Emission and Manipulation and you get an idea of what Emitters can do. It's just a solid mass of Nen given shape and controlled from a distance.
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Jose posted:I guess its because i was thinking of the lessons on greed island that involved making numbers with nen that counted as transmutation. For me, making it into shapes is really basic transmutation. Changing the properties to something else is what is actually hard and requires affinity I wouldn't say it's wrong. A lot of the Nen categories have a lot of aspects of the others in them, which is why Conjuration and Emission get confused a lot because they cover the same sort of ground. I'd imagine Manipulation and Transmutation are also similar like that. I think Gon's training was more the basics that anyone could train in any category and was to get him comfortable with the idea of changing or hardening his Nen for later use with Scissors, rather than anything specific to transmuter training.
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Serious Frolicking posted:But that makes it sound like conjuration is emission's ugly sister. What can conjuration do that emission cannot? Making things visible to normal people seems profoundly worthless. Allows you to create an object that can do really specific things and once you're able to summon it, it basically requires no effort to use, so you can focus all your attention on attack or defense with Nen. Emitters on the other hand are constantly having to output aura and concentration into their creations and it weakens their aura. So for example Razors power was significantly diminished while he had the Devils out, Morels smoke clones had bits of his aura in them and while he was stuck in Cheetus zone he couldn't just call them back in because he probably wasn't getting that aura back. Also as we saw with Kurapika hiding his chains, you can play some pretty cool mind games with what you conjure.
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Arkeus posted:Morel manipulates his Pipe to do a special smoke, and then he manipulates the smoke. The smoke actually exists and is not just a shape of nen. There is quite literally a scene where he emits a nen orb in front of him and puffs out smoke around it and changes the shape before sending them to scout the city. He then talks about how he sent aura out when he gets stuck in Cheetus zone and he can't risk losing what he emitted permanently. At some point you just gotta admit you're wrong about how emission works when there are multiple scenes demonstrating why you're wrong man. Ytlaya posted:Yeah, it was kind of bullshit that she could suck up Pike's blood like that. Last I checked, cells are living things. Asuron fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Arkeus posted:Nen constructs are conjurations, with the maybe-exception of APR. Just stop dude. You are wrong, accept it and move on. Razors even stated to be in charge of the Emission based stuff on Greed Island, it makes literally no sense for a Nen user that proficient to have an ability so completely outside his wheelhouse, even if you somehow discount all the other evidence showing his abilities are all based on Emission. You just seem kinda stuck on what you think nen is, rather than what it actually is. In fact I seem to recall you having this argument in the old thread because you didn't think nen counted as "matter" for some reason. Asuron fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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The Chapter Black arc is probably the best arc overall. I just take issue with the ending and how long and stupid that fight with Sensui was in the cave. Everything up to that is just fantastic, with my personal favorite moments being the conclusion of the Game Master showdown and Kuwabaras lament as he tries to reach into his dormant power. I've said it before though, the Three Kings saga is my favorite. I love the demon rulers and their ideologies ( Mukuro is just fantastic) and it has some of the series best moments like learning about Hiei's past, seeing Kurama in his element as he takes control of Yomi's council and Yusuke's introspection about what he 's capable of doing with all his power at the start of the arc and at the end when he finds the answer ( in the anime at least). If you stopped at the end of the Dark Tournament, you really missed out on some of the best moments in the show and I personally find it fascinating to see the early elements of the intricate Nen system we would end up seeing in HxH with the psychic characters introduction. Asuron fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Feb 23, 2016 |
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Silver2195 posted:It's probably because this thread has had big arguments about the relative merits of the different Nen types. Nah it's because there's this one guy that doesn't understand how Nen works at all and kept coming back to tell people how literally every ability that was summoned at all is Conjuration, despite the series stating or showing otherwise and wouldn't drop it.
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah but in that case why isn't Netero's ability also considered Transmutation? I mean, he is also giving his aura a certain shape. He's not changing the properties of it. He's just emitting a statue and enhancing the blows while manipulating with complicated hand movements. Transmuters change their aura into something else or change properties of it like making it sharper or something like that. Netero is just hitting them with a mass of Nen shaped like a Buddha statue so it's not the same. Goddamn why is Emission always the issue. It's feels like it's supposed to be simple like Enhancement and then it can do all this poo poo that gets confused for other categories very easily.
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Brought To You By posted:I can't find anything that states specifically that it is considered transmutation, but it could be argued that any instance of giving aura an image, no matter to what degree counts as Transmutation. The transmutation part of his ability is when he fights Chrollo where he is actively controlling the movement, increasing the range by transmuting the aura and transmuting the teeth to make it sharper. When he separates his dragon to do transmutation abilities, it isn't shown as being particularly strong, his Dragon Dive was only even really considered a distraction so they could enter the castle, that's how weak it was in comparison to his previous ability. He clearly has emission parts of ability and can control the Dragon away from his body, but that's not what he actually uses for combat, it seems more like a utility tool rather than something he's going to use against strong opponents . In that scenario it's purely cosmetic and it's considered very weak in comparison to when he actually controls it with his hand because it's just a blast of Nen shaped like a dragon with no other additional properties. So basically when he throws it out in Dragon Dive or flys around on it, it's like Neteros ability, but when he controls it with his hand it falls under transmutation. Asuron fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Mar 9, 2016 |
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Brought To You By posted:I don't disagree but when he's moving the dragon head while it's still attached to his body shouldn't that ping as "Manipulation with the restriction that his hands and feet must be used"? I imagine it could be a part of it, but he pays for the ability weakness by having it restricted to hand movements alone. Hell I always though the guy was an Emitter and then the data book said he was a transmuter, so I'm basically thinking that every ability he does is used for utility or has restrictions so he can use them effectively. I think Togashi just wanted cool dragon abilities on Zeno, but didn't really think his rules through like he did for other characters, so we're left trying to figure out what kind of restrictions or weaknesses he has to have to compensate for operating abilities outside of his wheelhouse Eej posted:Manipulation is for objects or other living creatures. You can change the shape of and move your aura all you want (Bisky with her numbers, Pitou lengthening its En by stretching it's aura's shape) and Transmuters just get to go further with how much they can alter their aura. This is probably the correct answer though.
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Ytlaya posted:Maybe the power of Morel's ability is due to the fact that using it will almost certainly give him lung cancer. He just chose a very flexible power that would naturally be able to do alot of those things with minimal manipulation skills. His smoke clones are only really useful for scouting because they don't hold up once you hit them. Have no idea how he gets away with the unbreakable smoke jail thing though. Probably something to do with having to be in it himself is what makes it operate.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Reporting 1 hour and 30 minutes later to say that I'm better now and no longer need that massage. who's giving the massage though?
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Is it emission or conjuration based, I need to know
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Ytlaya posted:I wonder how Knov defeated Flutter. They showed him looking at flutter hovering hundreds of feet in the sky and then later he mentioned having defeated him. It was an off screen death. I'm guessing he ambushed him and reached him in the sky by doing that Nen jump thing we learned about in Greed Island and because Knov is really good at Nen , he can reach that kind've height.
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alkanphel posted:My guess at least enough chapters for a volume, but hopefully more! Dear god I hope not. Wasn't he only a couple of chapters off enough for a volume last time?
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Kingtheninja posted:Wow just watched the new OP. I can't even begin to guess how all these crazy new people fit into the story. Although I do like the guy with the giant pipe. Pipe guy is best guy. Also seconding that you post your thoughts as you go along, love hearing newcomer takes on any series as they watch it.
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Serious Frolicking posted:We aren't even going to get the complete dark continent arc. We will see maybe 100 more chapters spread out over the next decade or two, but this thing is way more ambitious than the chimera ant arc ever was. This thing is gonna remain unfinished you mark my words. Dudes almost as bad as George R.R Martin.
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Adnor posted:I'm watching the anime now (I've watched the original anime and read the manga before) and man, I forgot how abrupt is the change of tone in the Yorknew arc, there were always some dark stuff in the series, but the moment the Phantom Troupe enters the auction it completely changes. Ehhh the manga's tone was always kinda consistent. The 2011 anime initially tried to market it more heavily smaller children and that's why you get weird censorship stuff happening in the early arcs. Once you hit the Phantom Troupe arc that's not really possible anymore until you hit Greed Island and even then you've got the Bomber trio, which is why it's weird to me that they'd even try in the first place.
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alkanphel posted:So maybe 11 chapters? That's cute. You're cute
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Roland Jones posted:Actually, topic of Chrollo, I wonder why they haven't broken Kurapika's thing on him. They have Abengane, who can do that, but if it were broken Kurapika would flip out, since he's said he'd know if it were; given that he hasn't reacted to that, plus the Meteor City ant thing where they decided on an interim leader, we can assume that it's not broken yet, unless there's something weird going on there. Remember Abengane still had to fulfill the conditions of Genthurus ability before the Nen Beast went away, that's why he gave Gon the info that he did, so there was a small chance of him being able to remove it. It's very likely you can't use Nen until you find a way to remove it or something very strict like that, especially considering the strength of Kurapikas ability towards the Troupe.
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pinegala posted:It's just been ages since I touched HxH. I've read all of it at one point, so all the characters look familiar but I have no clue who any of them are. I think the Ant King guy got killed by a nuke? Forgot how Gon lost his Nen ability. Seriously how this series has had discussion for all these years is beyond me. If you read it all you know how good it is man.
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I can only imagine the reason Chrollo is explaining all his abilities, something he never did before, is because the bookmark requires him to do it now. Given the power of it I imagine that's exactly the sort of restriction he'd need to be using it like that. I can't figure out why he's being so chatty otherwise, guy barely speaks and when he does it's not to dump info about his abilities to the guy he's currently trying to kill unless he's already killed them.
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Eej posted:
Oh no, we're not starting this poo poo again. trucutru posted:It has to be a condition. His new two-timing capabilities are way too overpowered without it. This is my take as well. The conditions for such a powerful ability require him to explain it if he uses the bookmark, much like Genthurus Countdown requires the explanation to use. Or he's playing a similar game that Hisoka normally plays where he's feeding him info to keep him focused on one thing while he does something else entirely. Asuron fucked around with this message at 15:38 on May 4, 2016 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Nah I don't see that. There is no way Kurapika could even kill one of them if he was fighting two at the same time. They know what he can do as well. Don't forget that his powers are basically designed for one on one and group fights don't work well for him at all because of how his chain works. That was the entire reason why Kurapika drew out Uvogin alone because he knew that and why he didn't try and fight the spiders when they captured Gon and Killua, even though they were in a small group.
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