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I'm glad that Brendan is getting released. I worry for him though. Living almost a decade in prison has probably severely affected his mental health in a negative way and I can only hope he can cope with his life out of the prison system.
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Is the Alford plea basically just "Look, we locked you up but can't really prove you did anything, but you can't prove we did anything wrong, so we're gonna let you go, but you can't say we were wrong and also you aren't really acquitted." ? Like it's just a face-saving measure for a hosed up prosecution? That's the impression I got when the WM3 were released. ^ Same. But, he just needs consistent support and care from friends and family. Wait, oh...drat. PlisskensEyePatch fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 14:32
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Is he too old to be put into a foster family? I'm only half kidding.
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ninjahedgehog posted:Finally some good news to come out of the lovely, horrible, awful week. Somebody get this guy a kitten and some Wrestlemania DVDs, stat. Good news the WWE Network has all the wrestling Brenden will ever want, and just in time for Bill Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar at Survivor Series!
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Solice Kirsk posted:Is he too old to be put into a foster family? I'm only half kidding. I hope someone starts up a crowdfunding page to buy him tickets to Wrestlemania.
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PlisskensEyePatch posted:Is the Alford plea basically just "Look, we locked you up but can't really prove you did anything, but you can't prove we did anything wrong, so we're gonna let you go, but you can't say we were wrong and also you aren't really acquitted." ? It protects the state's attorney and the state itself from being sued for messing up, because you claimed you did it. A lot of times what happens is that someone has been in jail for years or decades and it becomes clear that they are innocent. They can either waste more time in jail, get a new trial, go through the trial, hope to get acquited and then maybe have a reason to sue. Or, they can go free now, but admit that they did it so they can't sue.
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Gross Dude posted:It protects the state's attorney and the state itself from being sued for messing up, because you claimed you did it. Somehow it doesn't feel like justice.
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Are you actually saying you did it, or is it more that you're not saying you didn't do it?
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Junkenstein posted:Are you actually saying you did it, or is it more that you're not saying you didn't do it? If I'm remembering correctly from the docs I've seen, you're basically saying that you understand that the case presented in court against you resulted in a legitimate conviction, but stop just short of actually saying "yes I did it". It really is just to cover the rear end of the prosecutor's office. It boils down to "I understand how a jury that was presented with this information would have convicted me, but that doesn't mean I'm actually guilty".
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Measly Twerp posted:Somehow it doesn't feel like justice. Ha! Justice is nice and all, but we can't have states losing money hand over fist just because the wrong person has been imprisoned for decades. That's just nuts.
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Junkenstein posted:Are you actually saying you did it, or is it more that you're not saying you didn't do it? You are agreeing that the state had enough evidence to convict you without admitting guilt. It literally just exists to let you be free while covering their rear end.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Ha! Justice is nice and all, but we can't have states losing money hand over fist just because the wrong person has been imprisoned for decades. That's just nuts. Well look if they didn't want to spend all that time unfairly in jail, they should have pleaded guilty to a lesser version of the crime they didn't commit and gotten out earlier!
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Maybe make the prosecution liable for $X per year of wrongly served sentence. You know, make them really consider if they want to prosecute.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Maybe make the prosecution liable for $X per year of wrongly served sentence. You know, make them really consider if they want to prosecute. Several States have capped the wrongful conviction amount per year and overall total. Wisconsin has something really low like $10,000 per year up to $100,000 total. I don't know if that's suing the state, or if that also applies to police departments and counties.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Maybe make the prosecution liable for $X per year of wrongly served sentence. You know, make them really consider if they want to prosecute. That money is ultimately being paid by citizens via taxes and it's definitely arguable that there are more broadly important things to spend tax money on (like healthcare, for starters).
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precision posted:That money is ultimately being paid by citizens via taxes and it's definitely arguable that there are more broadly important things to spend tax money on (like healthcare, for starters). Aren't citizens already paying an enormous amount of money to keep people in (overpopulated!) prisons in the first place?
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I still think Brendan, his brothers, and his step father killed that woman. I bet there was a feud over Stephen's incoming money before he went back to jail.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Several States have capped the wrongful conviction amount per year and overall total. Wisconsin has something really low like $10,000 per year up to $100,000 total. precision posted:That money is ultimately being paid by citizens via taxes and it's definitely arguable that there are more broadly important things to spend tax money on (like healthcare, for starters). Dudes, I meant the person(s) as individuals, not the states/cities. Maybe the municipality pays some, but the gently caress that decided to prosecute on poo poo evidence has to pay, too.
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Gross Dude posted:It protects the state's attorney and the state itself from being sued for messing up, because you claimed you did it. It's just so blatantly....lovely. Like, that's it. It's just lovely and I don't understand how it has a place in any justice system.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Dudes, I meant the person(s) as individuals, not the states/cities. Maybe the municipality pays some, but the gently caress that decided to prosecute on poo poo evidence has to pay, too. This sounds like a fantastic way to ensure that only rich people ever become prosecutors.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Dudes, I meant the person(s) as individuals, not the states/cities. Maybe the municipality pays some, but the gently caress that decided to prosecute on poo poo evidence has to pay, too. I think you are wildly overestimating how much prosecutors make. Public defenders and state prosecutors are both working for peanuts compared to private law practice, which is why you have things like Atlanta's initiative that basically offers people with no law experience "enough training" to become a public defender. Hell I have often considered passing the bar in my spare time (I'm aware that would take a lot of studying, yes) and becoming a public defender, but only because I have other sources of income. e: And I'm not trying to be snarky, I promise, because on principle I actually kinda agree with you, but you also seem to be unaware of how much poo poo prosecutors get railroaded into by their superiors, the police department, etc etc
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precision posted:I think you are wildly overestimating how much prosecutors make. Public defenders and state prosecutors are both working for peanuts compared to private law practice, which is why you have things like Atlanta's initiative that basically offers people with no law experience "enough training" to become a public defender. I've always thought that police/DA offices should have to hold some sort of malpractice insurance. That would incentivize good behavior, ensure that those who are wronged are compensated and lessen the burden on the tax payer at large.
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gently caress! http://time.com/4575268/brendan-dassey-release-blocked/?xid=time_socialflow_twitter
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I'm confused about this. He was getting released due to an overturned conviction but now he's not getting released? Til when?
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Tenzarin posted:I still think Brendan, his brothers, and his step father killed that woman. I bet there was a feud over Stephen's incoming money before he went back to jail. You really think Brendan would have been able to keep that secret for this long? I think the other men on the property should all be considered serious suspects, but I doubt there was some family plan to kill Theresa and frame Steven for it.
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Kingtheninja posted:I'm confused about this. He was getting released due to an overturned conviction but now he's not getting released? Til when? His conviction was overturned but he will have to stand trial again, this time without his confession being used against him. Most people assume he would never have been convicted without the bullshit confession.
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He's not a flight risk. He doesn't have money, connections, or even average intelligence. This just seems like the court taking care of its own here.
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Solkanar512 posted:I've always thought that police/DA offices should have to hold some sort of malpractice insurance. That would incentivize good behavior, ensure that those who are wronged are compensated and lessen the burden on the tax payer at large. That's a great idea, though it would probably take some hefty convincing to get the insurance companies in on it since the USA has a ludicrously high rate of wrongful conviction.
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I would be a-ok with the prosecutor and whoever authorized Dassey's indictment and trial to be held personally liable in civil court. If you ruin his life, then yours is fair game if/when he gets out.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:gently caress! 2016 strikes again, loving hell.
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Are you loving kidding me
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I don't believe in karma or anything but if it does exist Brendan's due to win the lottery when he eventually gets out.
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The State then successfully sues him for the winnings.
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precision posted:I think you are wildly overestimating how much prosecutors make. Public defenders and state prosecutors are both working for peanuts compared to private law practice, which is why you have things like Atlanta's initiative that basically offers people with no law experience "enough training" to become a public defender. Your first paragraph flip flops between prosecutors and defenders. No, I am not overestimating how much prosecutors make, you are reading my statements differently than intended. I'm saying the prosecution should retain a portion of liability for wrongful convictions. Not sure where this miscommunication cropped up, but maybe one of us is having a bad day...or isn't qualified to be a lawyer. E: a sample of Wisconsin District Attorney office salaries Assistant DA (unelected) $50k-100k DA (elected) $100k and up Corky Romanovsky fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Tenzarin posted:I still think Brendan, his brothers, and his step father killed that woman. I bet there was a feud over Stephen's incoming money before he went back to jail.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:E: a sample of Wisconsin District Attorney office salaries Ah, yeah I thought you were referring to the prosecutors at the level below assistant DA - the ones that actually do all the legwork and often have little or no choice as to who they're prosecuting. At the DA level, I'm 100% in agreement with you.
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What amazes me about this case (and it's been a while since I watched and read about it so please be gentle) is that the cops never offered an explanation of where she was murdered. First they're all like "she was totally murdered in the bedroom" but that's just not possible, unless Avery is a clean up Amadeus. Then they say "look! the garage!" but even all of us in this thread couldn't clean up all the blood from the piles of crap that is just everywhere in there. So where did he kill her? The woods? Another house they never looked at? Or did someone else kill her and dump the body? We'll never know because the cops were corrupt assholes.
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I think their going theory is that she was killed in the garage and since it was a .22 it didn't spray blood everywhere when he/they shot her. I don't think they spent too much time on it seeing as though finding a burned body, the victim's personal property both in the house as well as outside, and finding both hers and Steven's blood on/in her car which was also found on his property is a ton of evidence to point towards someone killing another person. It's a good question though. Maybe out in his yard? Solice Kirsk fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Nov 18, 2016 |
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bad boy in the boy band posted:gently caress! Disgusting but unsurprising. Such a high profile case is one the state is incredibly likely to double down on no matter the evidence, simply to protect their own reputation.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:I would be a-ok with the prosecutor and whoever authorized Dassey's indictment and trial to be held personally liable in civil court. If you ruin his life, then yours is fair game if/when he gets out. Pretty sure that's how this whole mess started.
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