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Has this wonderful thing been posted yet? https://twitter.com/VaraBBC/status/693833111583350784
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JeffersonClay posted:And you think environmentalists often advocate policies like the one child policy? Pretty much every defense of the one child policy I've seen ended with "for the environment", and about half started with "I'm pro choice but..."
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Feb 1, 2016 01:35
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JeffersonClay posted:And you think environmentalists often advocate policies like the one child policy? Population reduction is a very common component, yes.
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Feb 1, 2016 01:35
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Voyager I posted:Watching Fishcmech's logic circuits break over his extreme hatred of guns and everything to do with them can actually be pretty funny. It's a circuit break that's as of this moment 194185 posts in the making. It gets old fast.
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Feb 1, 2016 01:38
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So what I'm getting from this is that the gun is good and the penis is also good.
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Feb 1, 2016 01:40
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Voyager I posted:Watching Fishcmech's logic circuits break over his extreme hatred of guns and everything to do with them can actually be pretty funny. The only thing you need to know about gun control is that even fishmech can't salvage a technically correct argument for more than three posts before collapsing into "grrr I hate gun people that's why. "
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Feb 1, 2016 01:42
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computer parts posted:Population reduction is a very common component, yes. Population reduction is good. If we can't afford to educate, house, and generally make every person 'whole' and economically viable - we have too many humans. Unrestrained reproduction is a never a legally stated liberty. If the founders were alive today they would likely agree with this Malthusian outlook. It is a Republican platform to just let the problem solve itself through despair / poverty / suicide. Buy a gun to free yourself. Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 01:45
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DemeaninDemon posted:GOPs doing a great job at running state governments into the ground. Hell one of them even poisoned an entire city.
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Feb 1, 2016 01:45
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The Larch posted:So what I'm getting from this is that the gun is good and the penis is also good. What we should all learn about this is that Hillary and Bernie are identical candidates that support all the same things, except for the things that Bernie is further right on, such as Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException. Since he's to the right of Hillary on these issues, he'll have a much harder time working with the notoriously stalinist Republican party to pass his rightwing agenda, meaning Hillary, who I understand has a good working relation with Republicans, will be more productive as president.
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Feb 1, 2016 01:50
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computer parts posted:Population reduction is a very common component, yes. computer parts posted:Nope, but there is a clear difference between "allowing access to birth control" and "mandating birth control". And they both can be used to reduce (or stabilize) population, which is not in and of itself "anti-worker" or "anti-people"
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Feb 1, 2016 01:55
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A 2 child policy makes complete sense in the context of a global labor market.
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Feb 1, 2016 01:59
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The Larch posted:So what I'm getting from this is that the gun is good and the penis is also good. 2 great tastes that go great together!
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Feb 1, 2016 02:02
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McDowell posted:A 2 child policy makes complete sense in the context of a global labor market. One to keep and one to sell?
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Feb 1, 2016 02:02
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JeffersonClay posted:And they both can be used to reduce (or stabilize) population, which is not in and of itself "anti-worker" or "anti-people" Something tells me the skulls of babies dashed on rocks disagree with your "anti-people" assessment. It is true that they were not workers yet though.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:02
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archangelwar posted:Something tells me the skulls of babies dashed on rocks disagree with your "anti-people" assessment. It is true that they were not workers yet though. A woman who dashes her baby's brain with a rock is a woman who didn't have access to abortion. Somehow, the EU is capable of achieving a sub-replacement-level birthrate without authoritarian control of reproduction.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:10
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JeffersonClay posted:
Correct, they don't use birth quotas, which have been advocated by many environmentalists.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:12
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JeffersonClay posted:A woman who dashes her baby's brain with a rock is a woman who didn't have access to abortion. I am unaware of EU's mandatory birth control laws, I am interested in learning more. (completely ignoring how chinese mandates impacted gender and generational balance)
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Feb 1, 2016 02:15
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Litany Unheard posted:One to keep and one to sell? No- don't be so inhumane - children should be cherished and nurtured.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:20
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Killer robot posted:The only thing you need to know about gun control is that even fishmech can't salvage a technically correct argument for more than three posts before collapsing into "grrr I hate gun people that's why. " It's not so much that rational arguments about gun control can't be made from either side so much as that the issue makes Fishmech descend into a red fog and start flatly denying realities like the 2nd amendment existing.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:25
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McDowell posted:Here's Murray Bookchin's take speaking as a resident of Burlington in 1986 That's not a very encouraging picture, though the only political activity it gives detail about is the development bond, which Sanders failed to pass because he aligned too much with the corporate and wealthy. Disappointing description of reality behind rhetoric, but aren't they all? Interesting read, though. Thanks!
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Feb 1, 2016 02:25
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Subjunctive posted:That's not a very encouraging picture, though the only political activity it gives detail about is the development bond, which Sanders failed to pass because he aligned too much with the corporate and wealthy. Disappointing description of reality behind rhetoric, but aren't they all? I like the 'criticism' that Bernie's socialism is just a managed market. A managed market that is possible today is very different from anything possible in 1986.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:28
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computer parts posted:Correct, they don't use birth quotas, which have been advocated by many environmentalists. Which environmentalists support birth quotas?
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Feb 1, 2016 02:28
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McDowell posted:A 2 child policy makes complete sense in the context of a global labor market. People really do not take well to those kind of controls. The problem solves itself with equitable results because people have been shown to reduce their reproduction in such times.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:29
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Crowsbeak posted:People really do not take well to those kind of controls. The problem solves itself with equitable results because people have been shown to reduce their reproduction in such times. There's a more sophisticated option - every male could get a vas deferens valve at 18 - and everyone gets firearms and first-aid training. As the world becomes more digital with cameras everywhere you could have definitive evidence for most rapes or murders that occur. These would be Capital Crimes.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:34
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Hollismason posted:Has this wonderful thing been posted yet? Uh... That's less 'wonderful' than  .
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Feb 1, 2016 02:35
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McDowell posted:There's a more sophisticated option - every male could get a vas deferens valve at 18 - and everyone gets firearms and first-aid training. As the world becomes more digital with cameras everywhere you could have definitive evidence for most rapes or murders that occur. These would be Capital Crimes. Yeah you are really making a good case for Green politics not being Totalitarian. Also it must suck to be Cruz's daughter.
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Feb 1, 2016 02:39
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah you are really making a good case for Green politics not being Totalitarian. All politics are totalitarian - the genies of technology don't go back in the bottle. The futurists and the internationalists cannot die. We need a moral and rational civilization - this is about confidence and ideology. Why would should we tolerate an individual that we know willfully committed the greatest violations of another person's autonomy? Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 02:43
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Hollismason posted:Has this wonderful thing been posted yet? i was a brat when i was that age too and i would have killed to be able to embarrass my parents on a national stage like this you go girl
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Feb 1, 2016 02:44
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JeffersonClay posted:So you contend that FDR and LBJ were liberal but not leftist? Protecting the common welfare at the expense of individual liberty is at the heart of the left-right conflict. See: welfare state, environmentalism. jesus. there have been very robust liberal arguments for a welfare state and even literal socialism for 150 years. go read a book by john stuart mill. individual liberty is constructed as requiring the welfare state to exist. there is no conflict. libertarianism is the weird revisionist version of liberalism, not welfarist left-liberalism icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 02:57
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McDowell posted:Why would should we tolerate an individual that we know willfully committed the greatest violations of another person's autonomy?
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Feb 1, 2016 03:01
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McDowell posted:All politics are totalitarian - the genies of technology don't go back in the bottle. The futurists and the internationalists cannot die. We need a moral and rational civilization - this is about confidence and ideology. Yeah you're starting to sound like members of the Dark Enlightenment.
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Feb 1, 2016 03:07
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icantfindaname posted:jesus. there have been very robust liberal arguments for a welfare state and even literal socialism for 150 years. go read a book by john stuart mill. individual liberty is constructed as requiring the welfare state to exist. there is no conflict. libertarianism is the weird revisionist version of liberalism, not welfarist left-liberalism Hell there was a divergence in liberal thought about the time of and after the founding of the US that took a much stronger "social" bent, and much of the modern discourse concerning liberal tradition is too tainted by modern day big "L" Libertarianism.
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Feb 1, 2016 03:08
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archangelwar posted:Hell there was a divergence in liberal thought about the time of and after the founding of the US that took a much stronger "social" bent, and much of the modern discourse concerning liberal tradition is too tainted by modern day big "L" Libertarianism. Yeah the standard ancap/libertarian history of liberalism mysteriously stops talking about the 'mainline' liberal thinkers and veers off to white supremacist nuts around the mid 1800s, for some reason
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Feb 1, 2016 03:23
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Hollismason posted:Has this wonderful thing been posted yet? Kid's gonna do so much coke. 
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Feb 1, 2016 03:27
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah you're starting to sound like members of the Dark Enlightenment. Sorry for the typos I got pulled into twitter argument with a Cruzer- I think a little break from the web is in order. But good or bad that is what's so, my friend. We must get our institutions in order.
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icantfindaname posted:jesus. there have been very robust liberal arguments for a welfare state and even literal socialism for 150 years. go read a book by john stuart mill. individual liberty is constructed as requiring the welfare state to exist. there is no conflict. libertarianism is the weird revisionist version of liberalism, not welfarist left-liberalism John Stuart Mill, who supported letting the Irish starve during the great famine because providing relief would make them slaves to the government. http://crookedtimber.org/2016/01/28/millian-liberalism-and-the-irish-famine/ I don't think there's a conflict between a utilitarian calculus and supporting (some) individual rights. But when those two are undeniably in conflict-- like when the utilitarian case for gun control implies infringing on the right to own firearms, or when the utilitarian case for a welfare state implies infringing on property rights-- the leftist position is utilitarian and the rightist position is rights-the-government-cannot-infringe-based. And this isn't just recent libertarian revisionism or whatever.
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Feb 1, 2016 03:57
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Trabisnikof posted:But you're making a huge leap between "rich people gave her money" and "she is now thrall to the rich". She isn't a "thrall to the rich" she IS "the rich" to think differently is wrong. Its not surprising to me that her and her family recieve large amounts of money from the banks and also support TARP and other bank bail outs. It is naive to think that a person can receive millions of dollars from banks and be objective about them. If Donald Trump gave me millions of dollars I'd probably like the guy a lot more even though I think he's a piece of poo poo. Also lol at fishmechs argument that there is almost no day light between Hillary and Bernie. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 04:00
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Reason posted:She isn't a "thrall to the rich" she IS "the rich" to think differently is wrong. Its not surprising to me that her and her family recieve large amounts of money from the banks and also support TARP and other bank bail outs. Of course, taxpayers made $15 Billion off TARP and Obama supported it, but we already determined reality wasn't an important issue here.
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Feb 1, 2016 04:07
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Trabisnikof posted:Of course, taxpayers made $15 Billion off TARP and Obama supported it, but we already determined reality wasn't an important issue here. Closer to $350b in profit if you include all aspects of the bailout: https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...7175_story.html quote:Where is my $350 billion number from? I’m glad you asked. I start with the $15.6 billion TARP number. Then I add the cash profit that taxpayers have made on the Fannie-Freddie bailout. That’s $37.9 billion, according to the most recent numbers from the Federal Housing Finance Agency — the difference between the $187.5 billion that taxpayers advanced to Fannie and Freddie when they were in extremis, and the $225.4 billion that the firms have paid the Treasury. That brings the total to $53.5 billion.
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Trabisnikof posted:Of course, taxpayers made $15 Billion off TARP and Obama supported it, but we already determined reality wasn't an important issue here. It'd be nice to see a source, but I will say this before you even list a source. TARP was approx $700 billion dollars. So taxpayers (who in the end ultimately paid for TARP) got back approx 2% of their money. And the real question there is which taxpayers? If you're having trouble finding a source here is a decent breakdown of TARP. The biggest most sincere question about bailing out banks is does a bank deserve a bailout more than a citizen? The majoirity of poor people don't get bailouts when they screw up. They go to jail and get hosed. So because Obama supported something its the right thing? What kind of stupid bullshit is that? If the president says its ok I guess it must be, so when Trump is pres it will be OK for us all to hate muslims or something. Obama has made a lot of lovely decisions while president that are ok for people on the left to disagree with because they were bad decisions. Ok lets say we as a people made back the 350 Billion dollar number, thats about $1000 per person the US(and you know thats not how it works most real people in the US aren't going to realize any actual benefit from TARP). When you look at the breakdown of where the money actually went that pales in comparison to the amount of money given as almost charity to businesses that hosed up in the first place. Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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