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Kassad posted:When both LR and the PS seem to be falling over themselves to copy the FN's ideas? Not really, no.
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Prince John posted:Which raises the difficult question of whether the police should be policing these demonstrations more aggressively, if the participants are able to attack the public at will. When the EDL were in Sheffield as far as I could tell there was no real effort by police to contain them, they were just wandering about in the road outside Wetherspoons shouting at people until the counterprotestors started turning up and then they were mostly trying to keep them separated. Bashing or not is a bit of a moot point because they tend to respond to counterprotests with violence and it is perfectly legitimate to want to shout at fascists who've turned up in your city uninvited.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/02/google-tories-are-labour-are-autocomplete-conspiracy-theories https://twitter.com/ExcelPope/status/694572073054789633 (one autocomplete result is notably absent)
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I don't believe anyone who says they go to antifa protests not looking for a fight but congrats on being violent for the right reasons I guessTesseraction posted:No-one in this thread is safe from my guillotine. It's me.
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LemonDrizzle posted:I was using that irony thing. It is not in fact reassuring that the National Front would be within a 4-6% swing of winning the presidency if Le Pen ran against Sarko or Hollande. Ah, my bad.
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Prince John posted:Which raises the difficult question of whether the police should be policing these demonstrations more aggressively, if the participants are able to attack the public at will. Just as some food for thought, here's a video showing police and neo-nazis standing shoulder to shoulder and punching Antifa in Dover on Sat: https://twitter.com/itheshortone/status/694246238204641281 One of the Nazis is very, very obviously armed.
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Oberleutnant posted:Just as some food for thought, here's a video showing police and neo-nazis standing shoulder to shoulder and punching Antifa in Dover on Sat: Guy in black attacks guy in red, police push guy in black off. Clearly that officer is the son of Hitler  I'd be interested in seeing what happened about 10 second later, when guy with weapon actually uses it and the police's reaction.
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Namtab posted:Guy in black attacks guy in red, police push guy in black off. Clearly that officer is the son of Hitler Well i was there and I can tell you what happened all day: the police made every effort to ensure the freedom of movement for the fash, tried to kettle antifa while we were being pelted with bricks and bottles, helped the fash complete part of their march, and failed to prevent 5 separate large attacks on antifa who were passively occupying Market Square. But hey, i'm sure you had a real good view from behind your computer.
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Oberleutnant posted:Well i was there and I can tell you what happened all day: the police made every effort to ensure the freedom of movement for the fash, tried to kettle antifa while we were being pelted with bricks and bottles, helped the fash complete part of their march, and failed to prevent 5 separate large attacks on antifa who were passively occupying Market Square. I spent my weekend watching anime  E: read mangs also Namtab fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Jedit posted:You should never seek out violence. Bashing the Fash is infact the Fashion of today. Oberleutnant posted:Literally everything you just typed is wrong, wrong, wrong. Jedit is acting like Coohoolin in someways recently. Must be the Scotpol thread toxicity levels. Namtab posted:I don't believe anyone who says they go to antifa protests not looking for a fight but congrats on being violent for the right reasons I guess Less looking for a fight and more being prepared for a fight is a better way of putting it. Besides, dosen't the police only show up when the anti-fash appear anyway? Fascists I don't think go and ask permission to display bigotry around public places.
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Should have pushed them all off the pier imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTT1qUswYL0
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You should generally avoid seeking out violence for the sake of it but if you know someone else is going to be seeking out violence against people who would prefer not to be violent, and you're willing to meet it yourself then yeah go seek out violence with them. Basically cunts are fair game.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Should have pushed them all off the pier imo With anchors attached to their feet. OwlFancier posted:You should generally avoid seeking out violence for the sake of it but if you know someone else is going to be seeking out violence against people who would prefer not to be violent, and you're willing to meet it yourself then yeah go seek out violence with them. I remember bullying a bully at secondary school because he kept bullying this disabled person. He started pissing me off when he kept annoying me and then I just snapped. I chased him with a steel pipe in the boys brigade. It took three 16-19 year olds to hold me back. Fun times. He never bothered me since.
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Extreme0 posted:With anchors attached to their feet. Seems healthy
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Namtab posted:Seems healthy
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Oberleutnant posted:This attitude of yours is contemptible. Relax
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OwlFancier posted:Did he leave off the disabled kid? Yea he did because I was keeping an eye on the kid when I had the spare-time till the bully got the message. The bully was going to go up to him one time till he saw me just hanging nearby, he just turned back and walked away quickly. Namtab posted:Seems healthy Releasing all your anger out instead of bottling it in is preety much a healthy thing to do.
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Namtab posted:Seems healthy you spend your weekends watching anime and you're lecturing other people about what is healthy. you're literally an undatable
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We were kettled fairly early, but before we were a tiny woman with us managed to clock a human thumb with something. Got him in the shoulder pretty good. If I wasn't involved I'd have asked her out then and there.
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Extreme0 posted:Yea he did because I was keeping an eye on the kid when I had the spare-time till the bully got the message. I was more referring to the pipe. I'm happy it all worked out for the best though.
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It all depends if you see violence as always bad, or not. I don't see violence as inherently bad, just that it leads to bad outcomes. It is perfectly possible, to achieve good outcomes with violence or its threat.
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Extreme0 posted:Yea he did because I was keeping an eye on the kid when I had the spare-time till the bully got the message. Then I see no issue. Though I never quite got the whole releasing anger being healthy thing. Whenever I released my anger I tried to kill people, fortunately I was a hilariously pathetic child and unable to actually kill anyone. But yeah releasing anger never did me much good. nothing to seehere posted:It all depends if you see violence as always bad, or not. I don't see violence as inherently bad, just that it leads to bad outcomes. It is perfectly possible, to achieve good outcomes with violence or its threat. Violence is inherently bad but it is far from inherently the worst. There are things much worse than just the commission of violence.
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OwlFancier posted:Then I see no issue. I'm not sure, but I think they've done clinical trials and found that regular stress relief is good for you mental well-being, were stress includes anger.
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As I mentioned before, better the fash get into a scrap with some big lads looking for a fight than some poor pensioner who fails the paper bag test. It's all well and good being all "oh, I abhor all violence" until the judicious application of violence is the only thing stopping Nazis cracking innocent people's jaws.
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nothing to seehere posted:It all depends if you see violence as always bad, or not. I don't see violence as inherently bad, just that it leads to bad outcomes. It is perfectly possible, to achieve good outcomes with violence or its threat. I see violence as inherently bad. I do accept that sometimes there's no other way to achieve a positive outcome though.
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Stress relief is great and I spend as much time as I can doing it, just the whole "act on your anger to get rid of it" which i got a lot (and still get) is exactly the thing that got me into most trouble.
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Fascists aren't amazingly thoughtful people, so that seems more than sufficient. Even if you just give them something else to focus on it's better than them marching around smashing up anyone and anything they think isn't aryan enough. Which they will. Because the police won't stop them.
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Fans posted:Turning up to fight fascist agitators is like turning up to fight football hooligans. It's not an amazingly well thought out plan. it's a p. good plan if u want to fight fascissts
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o38R8i5Af_Y I mean this looks quite well thought out
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OwlFancier posted:Stress relief is great and I spend as much time as I can doing it, just the whole "act on your anger to get rid of it" which i got a lot (and still get) is exactly the thing that got me into most trouble. It's about trying to figure out why you're angry and taking positive steps towards resolving the issues I guess. Stress relief is a good way of releasing the anger but you need to treat the cause ultimately. JFairfax posted:you spend your weekends watching anime and you're lecturing other people about what is healthy.
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JFairfax posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o38R8i5Af_Y Why the gently caress are russian football hooligans re-enacting middle-ages formation battles? Namtab posted:It's about trying to figure out why you're angry and taking positive steps towards resolving the issues I guess. Stress relief is a good way of releasing the anger but you need to treat the cause ultimately. Thoroughly agree. Had much better results with not getting angry than trying to deal with anger.
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Namtab posted:It's about trying to figure out why you're angry and taking positive steps towards resolving the issues I guess. Stress relief is a good way of releasing the anger but you need to treat the cause ultimately. well that is very commendable and you do good work, anime is unforgivable.
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All I've learned so far is "The Purge" wasn't that farfetched a movie apparently.
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JFairfax posted:well that is very commendable and you do good work, anime is unforgivable. All right you don't like anime granddad. Jeez.
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OwlFancier posted:Why the gently caress are russian football hooligans re-enacting middle-ages formation battles? I wish football hooligans here would pick a nice open area to do that kind of poo poo in a semi-organized way instead of breaking bar furniture and wandering around town shouting abuse at people to try and get a reaction. e: Who is anime granddad? Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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