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FairyNuff: Jan 22, 2012

blowfish posted:

Trickle down grouseonomics.

Does this mean soon a rich guy will give me a cute grouse to keep?

E; instead of history have a grouse -

FairyNuff fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jan 1, 2016

# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:36

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# ? May 2, 2024 07:32

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

Darth Walrus posted:

Why is neo-liberalism good, iyo?

It just is

# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:42

Namtab: Feb 22, 2010

AceClown posted:

See Eddie Izzard for man in a dress.

Also giant crumpets for best invention of 2015 please

Also what toppings do you lot like on your crumpets? :canofworms:

I hate crumpets

# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:43

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Geokinesis posted:

E; instead of history have a grouse -

I approve of this new ~~trend~~single point of data. Instead of history, post a picture of whatever we're talking about each new page.

Except for page 15. Page 15 is a picture of a pig.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:46

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

forkboy84 posted:

We're British, oval office isn't a gendered insult here.

if I want to call someone a cock or a prick I want to be able to do that damnit

# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:56

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGIl8jRvyU

# ? Jan 1, 2016 15:58

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

toot toot:

Jeremy Corbyn
31 mins �

Tomorrow, rail fares are set to rise by an average of 1.1%.

Labour's shadow transport secretary, Lilian Greenwood explains that, �Passengers have faced truly staggering fare rises of up to �2,000 since 2010. In some cases, commuters are paying nearly forty per cent more as a direct consequence of decisions made by Ministers."

It's a scandal that fares are being increased every year to subsidise the profits of private companies and other countries' railway systems.

The Labour Party is now committed to a publicly owned railway as the best way to secure a fair deal for rail passengers and taxpayers, and long term investment for a modern railway system.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:09

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

The history snipes worked a lot better before the age of monthly threads when page numbers went up to around 1000-2000.

I'd say that means we should stop but carrying on doing things out of tradition long after the tradition makes much sense at all is an integral part of British culture.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:10

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

JFairfax posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veGIl8jRvyU

Can they still advertise embalming fluid on television?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYPGyhOzdsI

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:16

Dabir: Nov 10, 2012

Angepain posted:

The history snipes worked a lot better before the age of monthly threads when page numbers went up to around 1000-2000.

I'd say that means we should stop but carrying on doing things out of tradition long after the tradition makes much sense at all is an integral part of British culture.

That's a grouse, not a snipe.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:16

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

Dabir posted:

That's a grouse, not a snipe.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:28

Gonzo McFee: Jun 19, 2010

Happy new year.

I drank too much.

quote:

Smiley optimism was once their calling card, but the one-time disciples of New Labour must be looking into the new year with deep dread: 2015 was bad; 2016 could be worse. But what to do, beyond moaning?

Tony Blair recently pronounced his old party�s current position a �tragedy�. Now Peter Mandelson has advised that the time for hand-wringing is over, and his former Labour colleagues ought to �fight for the party�s future� against a leader who is apparently an �intentionally divisive figure�, using �very unconventional means� to strengthen his grip (some of this may sound familiar).

Meanwhile, as evidenced by all that speculation about a looming shadow cabinet reshuffle, Jeremy Corbyn is clearly digging in.

The makeup of what might be called the coalition of the unwilling is pretty clear: a mixture of Blairites, Brownites, the inheritors of the part of the old Labour right once rooted in some of the unions, and that great swath of Labour MPs who have no great factional loyalties but are deeply unsettled by their party�s sudden left turn. Their pain, it seems, is shared by a reasonable number of activists, some of whom have decided to quit the party altogether. But so far, most of these people have displayed a remarkable lack of willingness to even understand their own predicament, let alone do anything meaningful about it.

Their script goes something like this. Never mind 50 years of deindustrialisation, a deepening Europe-wide crisis of social democracy, or the downsides of the Blair and Brown years, to quote the Labour-aligned thinktank Policy Network: this year�s election defeat could be reduced to two key factors � Labour�s failure to pay enough attention to �economic competence�, and the fact that �the public did not perceive Ed Miliband as a credible prime minister�.

As and when the Corbyn project implodes, goes the apparent argument, a new leader with the right plan will finally be summoned, and Labour will be back in the game. Despite his protestations, the prince across the water used to be Alan Johnson. Now that dubious honour seems to have fallen to the soldier-turned-politician Dan Jarvis. If he isn�t up for it, there�s always that unlikely recent success story, Hilary Benn. Or maybe the Birmingham MP Jess Phillips: a good egg, it seems, but so far lionised chiefly because she has the fairly ordinary talent of speaking her mind, and has an obvious sense of humour.

While the self-styled moderates � many of whom, it has to be said, are not moderate at all � pick their latest favourite, those who once gave them their lead occasionally pipe up. Blair�s latest contribution to the Labour debate was a flatly strange article in the Spectator, sprinkled with the usual gnomic formulations (eg �true progressives are always the modernisers�). That piece was followed by a slightly better one by his former speechwriter and strategist Peter Hyman, now the headteacher of a free school. He proposed a left-right split, and offered a watery vision of what latter-day �modernisers� should be all about : a �renewed sense of moral purpose�, reducible to the hoary New Labour emphasis on social mobility, and a politics that would �be seen to be grappling seriously with the big questions of the day: migration, globalisation, terrorism, the environment, welfare, housing, our place in the world�.

If that sounded rather vapid, it was as nothing compared with Mandelson�s intervention on these pages: an extended hyperventilation about Corbyn and his allies using comparable methods to the ones that clinched Blair and co�s grip on the party all those years ago. (It is for, example, no use getting in a lather about activists demanding deselections when you have been an integral part of a machine that specialised in the parachuting-in of chosen insiders to safe Labour seats). Worse still, beyond vague allusions to Labour�s supposed �centre ground�, it offered no hint of what a substantial alternative to the current leadership might actually entail.

I am not exactly what some people call a Corbynista, but the realities such analyses evade seem simple enough. Whatever his suitability for the job, Corbyn is where he is for one reason above all others: the fact that Britain�s post-1979 journey into a new reality of a shrunken welfare state, marketised public services, rising inequality and an impossible job market had reached a watershed with the deepening of austerity, and there was a need for a clear moral response, without which Labour was in danger of shrinking into meaninglessness. On that score, over the summer of 2015, the heirs to the New Labour project were deservedly found wanting; indeed, their very philosophy was fatally exposed.

A few non-Corbynites are beginning to understand what the moment might require of those who want to revive the parts of Labour beyond the radical left. The former shadow education minister Tristram Hunt had a decidedly mixed 2015, but he recently talked pretty powerfully at the Fabian Society about the politics of inequality, Labour�s frayed bond with working-class voters and the necessity of reinventing the party�s belief in redistribution. Chuka Umunna has recently made welcome noises about changing the voting system; some voices one would once have associated with 1997-era orthodoxy have lately been making the case for a citizen�s income; the idea of an unconditional payment granted to every individual as a right of citizenship..

Out in the real world, meanwhile, The Labour leaders of British cities are exploring the theory and practice of centre-left politics in unspeakably difficult times. What they do every working day contains profound lessons for their party, particularly for those who yearn for a revival of its old political centre. But as the supposed moderates protest, they barely seem to have a place in the conversation. Why not?

When exactly the party will even start to resolve the tensions that are going to swirl around it for the next four years � at least � is still a mystery. Whether it is still possible to meaningfully talk about a Labour mainstream connected to the bulk of its MPs is even more uncertain. But still, how depressing to find far too many Labour people who see themselves as the party�s custodians failing to do anything new, moping their way into the new year � and blaming anyone but themselves.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/01/labour-party-moderates-jeremy-corbyn?CMP=soc_3156

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:42

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

So how about that new propaganda movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsOdX7NcJs

Saw this trailer at the pictures last night. Still can't decide if it's supposed to make me pro- or anti-west.

PS star wars is surprisingly good

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:44

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Renaissance Robot posted:

So how about that new propaganda movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsOdX7NcJs

Saw this trailer at the pictures last night. Still can't decide if it's supposed to make me pro- or anti-west.

This is what happens when you allow 'world leaders'.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 16:48

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Gonzo McFee posted:

Happy new year.

I drank too much.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/01/labour-party-moderates-jeremy-corbyn?CMP=soc_3156

Harris is very right. He's definitely not on the left of the Labour Party, but he's right that the "moderates" are not actually moderate & have been pushing Labour further & further to the right since the death of John Smith. He's also right that the main reason the Labour right lost the election in the summer so dramatically is because they had nothing to say. They apparently didn't reflect on the Brown loss in 2010 & put it down to him being grumpy & unpopular, & dismissed 2015 as Ed Miliband being some sort of communist who was also unpopular. Slowly they seem to be waking up to the idea that intellectually the Labour right is just out of ideas & has been for some time. I'm sure they sincerely believe that they would make life better for people than the Tories would but they have no idea how. They were too scared to fight the Tories on things like welfare reform & they still seem deeply wedded to the misplaced "liberal interventionism" of the Blair years, apparently unwilling to learn from their mistakes.

Hunt's words about replacing Council Tax showed that they are at least finally doing some self-reflection, in between shouting random insults at Jeremy Corbyn, Momentum, & new Labour members who voted for JC. Which is good. I am not on the Labour right but generally feel like Labour will be better off as a whole when the right of the party is actually self-confident enough to say something positive instead of just solely moaning that the Labour left are destroying the unity of the party by not pushing right wing policies.

Renaissance Robot posted:

So how about that new propaganda movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsOdX7NcJs

Saw this trailer at the pictures last night. Still can't decide if it's supposed to make me pro- or anti-west.

PS star wars is surprisingly good

Gerard Butler is a traitor to his country. He should be protecting Nicola Sturgeon & Angus Robertson, not the Yankee Imperialist Pigdog. (That movie looks really bad & dumb)

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:00

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Jose posted:

no poll in the op smh

There was meant to be a poll? :ohdear:

That movie looks so amazingly dumb it could easily loop around into being great.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:02

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Renaissance Robot posted:

So how about that new propaganda movie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AsOdX7NcJs

Saw this trailer at the pictures last night. Still can't decide if it's supposed to make me pro- or anti-west.

PS star wars is surprisingly good

Why does every goddamn trailer have the Inception BWAAAAAAHs in it these days?

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:09

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

thespaceinvader posted:

Why does every goddamn trailer have the Inception BWAAAAAAHs in it these days?

~edgy~

also why does every trailer have the entire movie plot in it already

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:17

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

The first one was entertaining for the North Korean well synchronised attack on the White House. But after than just a bad rehash of die hard. This one just looks all poo poo.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:18

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

It would be good if the plot twist was that the terrists in question were the IRA and they were using all that money the Yanks funnelled to them in the 80s and 90s.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:23

AceClown: Sep 11, 2005

thespaceinvader posted:

Why does every goddamn trailer have the Inception BWAAAAAAHs in it these days?

Earns double poo poo points for having that "epic slowdown" effect in it too

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:23

McDragon: Sep 11, 2007

Happy New Year. :toot:

Cabinet posted:

David Cameron hosed A Dead Pig

This would make a good 13th point for the OP.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:25

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

Cerv posted:

The first one was entertaining for the North Korean well synchronised attack on the White House. But after than just a bad rehash of die hard. This one just looks all poo poo.

That was a good film until the bad guys won at the end

# ? Jan 1, 2016 17:36

mrpwase: Apr 21, 2010; I HAVE GREAT AVATAR IDEAS
For the Many, Not the Few

Darth Walrus posted:

There are some trains that are less than awesome. Particularly when someone's two-year-old has repeatedly vomited all over the carriage.

In this case it is not the train that is at fault, it is the two-year-old :spergin:

# ? Jan 1, 2016 18:34

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

Harris is very right. He's definitely not on the left of the Labour Party, but he's right that the "moderates" are not actually moderate & have been pushing Labour further & further to the right since the death of John Smith. He's also right that the main reason the Labour right lost the election in the summer so dramatically is because they had nothing to say. They apparently didn't reflect on the Brown loss in 2010 & put it down to him being grumpy & unpopular, & dismissed 2015 as Ed Miliband being some sort of communist who was also unpopular. Slowly they seem to be waking up to the idea that intellectually the Labour right is just out of ideas & has been for some time.

Pretty much, for all the arguments about how fantastic New Labour and Blairism was, the best they go do is potter around and whine about how UNFAIR it is that they aren't being short-tracked into positions of power. Frankly while Blair and Mandelson were masters of spin I severely doubt Blair could have won 2010 or 2015. He's had time to forget how much we hated him in 2007. Heck I was working at ICM (the polling company) at the time and it was overwhelmingly people demanding he gently caress off ASAP and anyone else would be better. Three more years at the helm would have been the final nail in the coffin when the financial crisis struck. Especially with Brown out to get him.

In lighter news, everyone's least favourite suspended-from-Labour MP has suffered another middle finger:

Simon Danczuk's ex-wife threatens to change daughter's surname posted:

Sonia Rossington reportedly texts suspended Labour MP to say he is bringing shame on his young children

The first wife of Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP who was suspended from the Labour party amid a sexting scandal, has threatened to change their daughter�s surname.

Sonia Rossington told Rochdale Online that she was appalled that Danczuk, 49, had allegedly sent sexually explicit text messages to a 17-year-old girl.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 18:34

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Gonzo McFee posted:

Happy new year.

I drank too much.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/01/labour-party-moderates-jeremy-corbyn?CMP=soc_3156

I like the casting of the Labour right as Jacobites, the comparison works on a number of levels.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 19:18

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV.

That's not actually going to change; the magic of Corbyn is in tricking the forgetful British left into believing that New New Labour is Old Labour, whether or not the likes of John goddamn McDonnell pens lengthy promises to reduce the deficit (noting that if you accept that basic constraint, your remaining policy options are very limited). Corbyn operates in a world of the OBR and the MPC, not the NCB and NUM; the proposals he can draw upon are limited - stuff like the People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities. Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members (i.e., those who accept the arguments that tuition fees are more egalitarian, that collective-welfare-through-collective-agreements really deserve to be shown the door,, that Britain in NI and the Falklands has settled into status quos which it is now committed to maintaining, etc.).

I don't disagree that New Labour has run out of ideas - I've said so myself. But the present judo makes a twisted sort of sense, if you accept that the none of the actors are really committed to innovating new ideas inasmuch as innovating new political covers for the same ideas.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 20:43

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

ronya posted:

Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV.

That's not actually going to change; the magic of Corbyn is in tricking the forgetful British left into believing that New New Labour is Old Labour, whether or not the likes of John goddamn McDonnell pens lengthy promises to reduce the deficit (noting that if you accept that basic constraint, your remaining policy options are very limited). Corbyn operates in a world of the OBR and the MPC, not the NCB and NUM; the proposals he can draw upon are limited - stuff like the People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities. Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members (i.e., those who accept the arguments that tuition fees are more egalitarian, that collective-welfare-through-collective-agreements really deserve to be shown the door,, that Britain in NI and the Falklands has settled into status quos which it is now committed to maintaining, etc.).

I don't disagree that New Labour has run out of ideas - I've said so myself. But the present judo makes a twisted sort of sense, if you accept that the none of the actors are really committed to innovating new ideas inasmuch as innovating new political covers for the same ideas.

Right, if you have time id like you to translate what the gently caress you just said there into stupid for me please. It reads like a load of bollocks with an un-necessary amount of words. Whats your point.

e: are you a newspaper opinoun column writer? ive re-read it 4 times now, the best i can get is you think that somehow re-natiozing the railways is somehow bullshit. no idea whats going on in paragraph 2, ditto 3

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Jan 1, 2016

# ? Jan 1, 2016 20:52

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Try reading it again? It's a well written and clear post.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 20:58

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Pissflaps posted:

Try reading it again? It's a well written and clear post.

Mate ive got nothing, I am quite stupid though.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:01

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

ronya posted:

Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members

faaaaaaaaart

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:04

Seaside Loafer: Feb 7, 2012; Waiting for a train, I needed a shit. You won't bee-lieve what happened next

Alright:

quote:

People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities

Why has that become a liability, its what anti-austarity is all about (although the name is bloody stupid)

e: and he didnt pick it up from niche advisors he is just a loving socialist who wants to get back away from neo-librablism like everyone has agreed is sensible

Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Jan 1, 2016

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:06

Lord of the Llamas: Jul 9, 2002; EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

ronya posted:

Labour's policy tanks still operate in a broadly neoliberal policy space - the antineoliberalism is limited to rhetoric. Even the flagship rail renationalization is, under the surface, the rather less exciting idea of running the lines as individual for-profit government-owned companies. The rhetoric invokes the vision of plowing the nebulous "profits" into reduced fares, into rail investment, into higher wages, and into the NHS all at the same time, but functionally the idea is GLCs, not Clause IV.

That's not actually going to change; the magic of Corbyn is in tricking the forgetful British left into believing that New New Labour is Old Labour, whether or not the likes of John goddamn McDonnell pens lengthy promises to reduce the deficit (noting that if you accept that basic constraint, your remaining policy options are very limited). Corbyn operates in a world of the OBR and the MPC, not the NCB and NUM; the proposals he can draw upon are limited - stuff like the People's QE that he picked up from niche advisors quickly became liabilities. Conversely, all the Labour right has to do is hold the line amongst the more cognizant members (i.e., those who accept the arguments that tuition fees are more egalitarian, that collective-welfare-through-collective-agreements really deserve to be shown the door,, that Britain in NI and the Falklands has settled into status quos which it is now committed to maintaining, etc.).

I don't disagree that New Labour has run out of ideas - I've said so myself. But the present judo makes a twisted sort of sense, if you accept that the none of the actors are really committed to innovating new ideas inasmuch as innovating new political covers for the same ideas.

We're not even 4 months in so it's hardly surprising that the policy pronouncements thus far are largely within the current frameworks. You can't just offer a magic wand vision without an idea of how you can evolve from the current institutions to new ones.

Tuition fees are not more egalitarian. The post 2012 regime imposes RPI+3 rates on debts that will surpass �40k for many ordinary students. This means that anyone who enters public sector work like teaching essentially has no hope of paying off their debts in the 30 year time limit and instead in effect pay a 9% additional tax. The only people who benefit are the very low paid (and only if you assume the 40k+ debt is legitimate in the first place) and the very high paid (who will accrue much less interest and therefore pay less back than middle income earners). It's a loving catastrophe that would never have happened if education was seen as a common good to be paid out of general taxation. And that's without even getting into the way tuition fees can distort the choices young people make in terms of what they study.

The only people I know that talk about NI and the Falklands are angry "moderates" who hate the positions Corbyn took on them in the 80s. The rest of us aren't actually trying to relive the 80s, despite the best efforts of the anti-Corbyn lobby. NI in particular irritates me (no I don't particularly think Corbyn took the right line on NI) since every single loving side whether it be the the governments, IRA, loyalist paramilitaries, or the British Army has civilian blood on their hands because the whole situation was a total cluster gently caress and there's just a lot of innocent victims so anyone getting on their high horse about Corbyn sympathising with "the other side" is a hypocrite.

Anyway, it's far too early to proclaim that Corbyn's Labour isn't going to come up with a new vision for the modern left.

Edit: Sorry it was RIP+3 not RPI+2. Students are actually paying higher interest rates than I do on my mortgage.

Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Jan 1, 2016

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:11

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

quote:

Mr Cameron said some people choose to "shout into megaphones, wave banners and sign petitions". He added: "But we're the ones who are able to make the arguments and take the difficult decisions in order to defeat these social scourges and deliver real security. So while others are on protest marches, we remain on the long walk to a greater Britain."

Sounds like a follow up speech to this one.

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:31

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Without wading into the battle itself, I want to mainly point out that the rigors that created New Labour also filled Labour with a lot of the sort of pro-means-testing person who would rationalize that higher ed is overwhelmingly consumed by the upper-middle class, and hence, spending out of the general fund on it is highly suspect.

The flaw in this argument is obvious - you probably shouldn't be completely indifferent to inequality between the 0.1% and upper-middle class. Nonetheless my point is not about what we should believe but about how the assorted factions in Labour are going to interact.

ronya fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jan 1, 2016

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:32

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Fans posted:

Sounds like a follow up speech to this one.

please tell me that is an actual published comic where someone's taken David Cameron's words and put them into the mouths of the evil guys

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:42

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

ronya posted:

higher ed is overwhelmingly consumed by the upper-middle class

Upper middle class makes up 35% of the population now?

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:52

Rush Limbo: Sep 5, 2005; its with a full house

From what I can gather the basic gist is that Corbyn, despite having principles that stand firmly against New Labour, something he's spent his entire political career fighting, and him being in a position of power, he doesn't really hold those beliefs and is actually just the same strand of Neo-liberalism that's got a new beardy face.

I think?

It's a bold new take on the idea that the new boss is the same as the old boss, but one I don't think is particularly grounded in reality.

Angepain posted:

please tell me that is an actual published comic where someone's taken David Cameron's words and put them into the mouths of the evil guys

It's an actual panel from Captain Britain and the Mighty Defenders, so yes someone has.

Nice little nod to Judge Dredd there, too.

Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jan 1, 2016

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:53

Fans: Jun 27, 2013; A reptile dysfunction

Angepain posted:

please tell me that is an actual published comic where someone's taken David Cameron's words and put them into the mouths of the evil guys

It is an actual published comic from Marvel, last Augusts "Captain Britain And The Defenders".

# ? Jan 1, 2016 21:57

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# ? May 2, 2024 07:32

Renaissance Robot: Oct 10, 2010; Bite my furry metal ass

Wait, I thought the comic came before he said that?

# ? Jan 1, 2016 22:40

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