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forkboy84 posted:Harris is very right. He's definitely not on the left of the Labour Party, but he's right that the "moderates" are not actually moderate & have been pushing Labour further & further to the right since the death of John Smith. He's also right that the main reason the Labour right lost the election in the summer so dramatically is because they had nothing to say. They apparently didn't reflect on the Brown loss in 2010 & put it down to him being grumpy & unpopular, & dismissed 2015 as Ed Miliband being some sort of communist who was also unpopular. Slowly they seem to be waking up to the idea that intellectually the Labour right is just out of ideas & has been for some time. Pretty much, for all the arguments about how fantastic New Labour and Blairism was, the best they go do is potter around and whine about how UNFAIR it is that they aren't being short-tracked into positions of power. Frankly while Blair and Mandelson were masters of spin I severely doubt Blair could have won 2010 or 2015. He's had time to forget how much we hated him in 2007. Heck I was working at ICM (the polling company) at the time and it was overwhelmingly people demanding he gently caress off ASAP and anyone else would be better. Three more years at the helm would have been the final nail in the coffin when the financial crisis struck. Especially with Brown out to get him. In lighter news, everyone's least favourite suspended-from-Labour MP has suffered another middle finger: Simon Danczuk's ex-wife threatens to change daughter's surname posted:Sonia Rossington reportedly texts suspended Labour MP to say he is bringing shame on his young children 
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forkboy84 posted:What's been written is that apparently Jeremy Corbyn & John McDonnell are actually Blairites, but are pretending to be socialists to fool the left. Not so much that, I feel ronya made the point pretty well, even if I don't wholly agree with it. It comes down to the fact that despite jokes from McDonnell about 'formenting the overthrow of capitalism' (while brewing a tea) and all, Corbyn and his buddies are a far cry from the full communism now theorists we claim them to be. Specifically ronya's pointing to their deference to the Office of Budget Responsibility and the Monetary Policy Committee (of the Bank of England). This is true, and one can argue, as Llamas did, that they're doing it to ease the party into their point of view. Personally I think that what ronya says is partially true, in that Corbyn and McDonnell are not pushing anything close to a 'hard left' or even perhaps 'left-wing' agenda. That said, looking to America and the success of the left-wing under FDR (not FDR himself, but pressure on him by the American socialists) and the subsequent stranglehold the Republican party have, I think taking the little victories in shifting public mood and policy in small iterations is better than sitting around pissing and moaning that we haven't gotten the One True Prophet of <X Ideology> yet so we should wait until then, all the while watching the right-wing gleefully doing what they like. To some extent this is Blairism in practice - knowing that perfect is the enemy of good, and opting for an in-optimal solution for fear of a worse (Tory) one. The problem is PASOKification - moving to the centre only works for a few elections and then relegates your party to the dustbin. Of course, it also doesn't help that Blair and his mutants also shunted much farther right than his talk about triangulation necessarily warranted.
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I'd say that creeping or tending towards fascism is pretty accurate but I highly doubt that the Tories will ever get there. They tend to just push as hard to the right as possible when in power so that when a Liberal or Labour government got in they'd be too busy trying to push back to the previous status quo to get anything else done so that when the Tories get back in again (as they always manage to loving do) they can just push hard-right again. That said, Thatcher was a cannier politician than Cameron and Gidiot so I really hope our current particular house of cards comes tumbling down on Cameron's watch.
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Hitler was not the only fascist ya know. Mussolini coined the term and he wasn't a perpetrator of the holocaust even if he was a massive poo poo. He was executed by communists, tho, makes u think.
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Happy New Fear. Stay safe, London.
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Ddraig posted:I have no idea. Things like this it's usually sniffing as an aphrodisiac. Same thing with people with used panties (like that creeplord goon who got banned for admitting blackmailing waitresses into giving him such).
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That was a different creeplord goon. This one went to restaurants and basically bullied shy women staff into giving him their used panties or he'd get threaten to get them fired as he was rich and could afford a frivolous lawsuit that the restaurants couldn't afford to fight. We only found out after his wife found his 'collection' and demanded to know why he had underwear that clearly wasn't hers and hidden in some sorted case... and he wanted to ask E/N how to solve the situation.
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LemonDrizzle posted:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/03/uk-set-worst-wage-growth-since-1920s-labour?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Email The system works!
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Jose posted:do you have a link for this? Sadly we do not, because the OP ended up revealing enough for goons to find out his real-life details and start planning revenge poo poo on him, so the admins had to move the thread to a hidden forum. That said while digging through my logs I did find a thread with a good title, at least What I'm saying here is always keep an eye on E/N for some tragicom gold.
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Extreme0 posted:Then again, I'm someone that wants consentual adult incest (without procreation) to be decriminalised Tell us more about your sister.
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blowfish posted:ban sex Don't force your lifestyle on others, please.
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big scary monsters posted:Has Corbyn, or in fact any Labour MP who's not a Blairite, gone on record saying that he's actually planning a reshuffle? Not one. An anti-Corbyn source suggests he wanted to do it, and Corbyn refusing to comment means it's DEFINITELY happening.
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I doubt Corbyn was going to reshuffle so soon anyway since it'd be another thing for the media to harp on about for the next few years as proving Labour 'chaos.'
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jabby posted:The legal framework regarding consent refers to a 'position of trust', not a position of power. Being in a position to grant or not grant someone a job does not equal a position of trust, and as such Danczuk did nothing illegal. Mind you, isn't this a textbook case of sexual harassment? She played along but as she said in the original story she was looking to get into politics and was in awe of the man. *puts on lab coat and raises clipboard* we need to get to the bottom of this, internet law experts
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Gonzo McFee posted:Oh aye, mind how Nigel Farage had an attempt on his life? Thanks for the reminder because this was hilarious, but a goon beat him to that discovery.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Who likes polls? We like polls! Interesting to see the drop in enthusiasm for Osbourne, I wonder how it'd fare with him in the public eye more often.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Maybe this argument has been done to death, but what's wrong with compulsory attendance at polling booths? People who actively don't want to support any candidate don't have to, but marginalised voters who are just hard to motivate to vote will get in the habit. The main complaint is donkey voters (I can't remember if this is the actual term or if I'm misremembering) who vote for the first candidate on the list regardless of who it actually is, which can be countered by randomising the list, but that can lead to problems with counting. Which could be sorted with digital voting records, but that can lead to problems of its own.
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ronya posted:those who have studied their Hamilton. Interesting euphemism for 'wanker.'
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My thoughts were more along the lines of "but I like the pound and I can't take the term 'eurocent' seriously"
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Crashbee posted:Dugher proving that passive aggression was one of the main talents lost by the shadow cabinet today. He talked the talk so he had to walk. Fine by me.
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Guavanaut posted:No benefits unless you can get a job, offshore concentration camps, lower taxes but more investment, beatings to make kids less violent, and no bumming the poppy. Got it. Where does he stand on hanging those who bum the puppy?
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Pork Pie Hat posted:Pig Fucker David Cameron is weeping bitter tears of concern that his children may never get on the property ladder My God, how can a multi-millionaire say something like this and not immediately get punched?
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I asked the Synths at the Beeb and the consensus is "/news gets more hits on the website, and all the hits from the app/mobile version of the site."
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Ratjaculation posted:Hi guys, A good idea but the Tories came up with it so it's a terrible idea. Also Corbyn is unelectable.
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Fans posted:I mean I guess we could celebrate Oberleutnant coming back by finally getting UKMT gassed, but let's not go down that road. Hey if anything leads to us getting gassed, at least an oberlieutenant would be historically accurate.
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Oh good we've had incestchat and now its antispawnerchat.
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Ichabod Sexbeast posted:I was going to say "what if Mr and Mrs Marx had never had Then we'd have been deprived of Eleanor Marx.
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OwlFancier posted:Blood is fun but I would feel a bit silly saying it to my nan. Probably less awkward than calling her a crip.
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Prince John posted:Is there a thread-approved better solution than this? Re-education camps have always been 100% humane areas where peoples' dignity and rights are respected. Maybe we can get the people who run Yarl's Wood to oversee the implementation.
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Arm them with a hammer and a sickle. Or failing that, all volumes of Das Kapital on a stick. That's one heavy loving mace.
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I don't give a poo poo about his work as Europe minister, backstabbing questions like that Cameron fellatio are plenty reason to not have him in your inner circle. Stay in the party, sure, but someone like that in your cabinet would be loving stupid.
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Resignation letter blames Corbyn's alignment with Stop the War Coalition and agrees with previously mentioned Cameron-fellatio. Laura Kuenssberg says three more potential resignations to follow. I'm starting to think Corbyn should just step down and let these stupid motherfuckers play hot potato with the turd that is Labour.
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Will Mexico pay for that one too?
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forkboy84 posted:Unless that's combined with a mass resignation from the Labour Party by "Corbynistas" & finding a new party for everyone to be involved with, seems like that's pretty much kill off the left in this country. Which you could argue died at the end of the 70s quite fairly, but I sort of always liked to believe we could have a renaissance at some point in my life of some sort of egalitarian policies. I agree, but frankly this is embarrassing at this point. Corbyn is definitely making unforced errors and that, combined with his own herd of cats being a bunch of spiteful lovely motherfuckers, means that instead of any strong, united opposition to the cartoon villains, the news cycle doesn't even need to spin to make the whole thing look shambolic. I expected teething problems but I didn't expect the consistent undermining by his own MPs. At this point it would be smarter for him to return to the backbenches and let the Blairites hilariously fail to even manage his level of disrepair when actually to the forefront.
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Pissflaps posted:A politician who has rebelled against the party line throughout his career cant complain when others do the same. Is Jeremy Corbyn complaining? He's left Hilary Benn in position so clearly rebelling against the 'party line' (psst, it was a free vote) isn't the problem.
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serious gaylord posted:This post doesn't make any sense. The two that were sacked yesterday rebelled against him personally, Benn didn't rebel, as you've just said, it was a free vote. So he is removing people from his cabinet for doing what he's done throughout his career, which is disagree with the leader. So to get your perspective straight, Jeremey Corbyn is a hypocrite because he's kicked people out of his cabinet for briefing against him when he was kept in Tony Blair's cabinet despite routinely briefing against him?
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serious gaylord posted:I think if you make a song and dance about wanting open and honest debate in your cabinet to then turn around and sack people like Pat Mcfadden for having the wrong opinions is a bit much. Ah yes, by kicking out the two nobodies that people in this thread suspect are the ones leaking memos and briefs, he has absolutely stifled dissent. Poor Hilary Benn, we'll mi-- waitaminute
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Pissflaps posted:The fact that the question he asked amounted to a 'free goal' against Corbyn is another reason why he is a bad choice for leader. The question amounted to "Will the Prime Minister agree that our foreign policy never has any consequences and therefore bomb, baby, bomb?" This makes Corbyn a bad leader because
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serious gaylord posted:No, that just shows he ultimately isn't in control of the party and can't get rid of Benn without causing the party to self destruct. That he's only been able to remove 'two nobodies' as you put it says it all. Never mind the fact that the ramifications for kicking out said two nobodies are still being felt. Still being felt, not even a day later. Truly a shockwave to define a generation.
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I'm not going to pretend this reshuffle isn't a spectacular gently caress-up.
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