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Try reading it again? It's a well written and clear post.
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By that logic shouldn't Corbyn have been deselected years ago?
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XMNN posted:Well, if his constituents and his local party felt he wasn't adequately representing them then yes, obviously. But Ddraig is advocating that Corbyn does everything he can to have MPs deselected? Ddraig posted:
This didnt happen though?
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Jan 2, 2016 01:00
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Ddraig posted:If MPs do not reflect the people who voted for them then they are clearly not the best person for the job. This isn't a very difficult concept to grasp. But you're talking about deselection as a tactic to be used or not by Corbyn - not the local party. If these MPs are MPs it's because they've been elected to the post. That's the democratic bit.
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Jan 2, 2016 01:06
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Then in what 'ideal world' is Corbyn doing everything he can to 'get rid of the shits'? I'm sorry if I've misunderstood ddraig's post but it seemed he/she was advocating deselection at the behest of the Labour leadership.
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Jan 2, 2016 01:30
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Fans posted:Deselection doesn't stop them being an MP. Quite right. And their selection or not is not the 'representative' part of representative democracy. Lord of the Llamas posted:Which I take to mean that Corbyn should be encouraging CLPs to deselect sitting MPs if they feel they don't represent the CLP's views. But doing so would be represented as a leadership enforced cull as opposed to wanting local parties to be in charge of their own affairs. I think it would be interpreted as exactly what it was - the labour leadership seeking to deselect MPs that aren't on-side. Pissflaps fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Jan 2, 2016 |
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Jan 2, 2016 01:37
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Kegluneq posted:News to me that it's impossible to stand for election as an independent MP. It's news to me too - I'm not sure why you think I've said that. Kegluneq posted:Also, MPs represent their constituents, not their constituency political parties. That's literally what I'm saying in the post you've quoted.
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Jan 2, 2016 01:42
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Why? CLP's with a Corbynist MP are free to deselect them if they don't agree. Why what?
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Jan 2, 2016 01:46
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Why would Corbyn be 'encouraging' something if he didn't want it to happen?
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Jan 2, 2016 01:48
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I think we're moving a long way from the message of ddraig's post which was specifically about removing those that 'undermine the party'.
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Jan 2, 2016 01:54
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Fans posted:That's the purpose of Deselection yes. I asked ddraig if, by the logic he put forward in his post, Corbyn himself should have been deselected years ago. None of this discussion has been about wording.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:03
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It would be useful if one of you could quote the post about 'wording'.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:06
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Lord of the Llamas posted:If his CLP are unhappy with him then yes. How is that hard to understand? Your position is not hard to understand, but you didn't write ddraig's post.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:07
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Kegluneq posted:So, no. How about the bit before the and you chose not to bold?
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Jan 2, 2016 02:11
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Ddraig also said that in an ideal world Corbyn would be doing all he can to remove certain people I.e. not leaving it purely to the CLPs, which prompted my question.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:18
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Maybe ddraig is advocating Corbyn breaking into their bedrooms at night and cutting their throats but I prefer to interpret most statements in context and as they were probably meant to be interpreted. I expect 'doing all he can' lies somewhere between nothing at all and murder.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:22
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Lord of the Llamas posted:And if you had understood ddraig's post you would know that the interpretation was that even something as simple as advocating local democracy in the Labour party was seen as politically problematic for Corbyn given his current opposition within. Hardly the warning signs of a ruthless cull a la Stalin. Then it seems I have misunderstood ddraig's post in assuming Corbyn 'doing everything he can in an ideal world' to get rid of the shits was nothing more than suggesting CLPs deselect candidates if they want to.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:29
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Lord of the Llamas posted:Deselecting a candidate they didn't want to would kind of contradict the central principle that was being discussed so I guess you were just being pretty lazy in your understanding. I've also made the mistake of imagining a world where Corbyn demonstrates some leadership qualities and influences the opinions of others instead of just letting everybody get on with it. A double serving of egg on my face.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:34
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Three terms of labour government is a funny sort of disaster.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:47
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Shoot me a pm I'll give you some time management tips.
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Jan 2, 2016 02:53
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I find the argument that Tony Blair just 'got lucky' in being leader during the three elections in the last forty years that the Tories could not win unconvincing. 'Anyone' was supposed to be able to beat Major in '92 and that didn't quite work out as planned. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 2, 2016 02:58
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Dabir posted:I'm very sorry to hear that. A late Christmas present of a post. Lovely stuff.
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Jan 3, 2016 20:56
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My niece and her friends are that age and they seem like a nice bunch of people so not really fair to tar them all with the same brush.
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Jan 3, 2016 21:43
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What did people do with the toenail clippings they bought off her?Renfield posted:The claims are she was/is a Financial Dom; she never actually meets up with the guys- she's being sent money by guys who want to be 'owned' by a 17 yo, and they get almost nothing in return Danzcuk's been owned hard by her tbf.
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Jan 3, 2016 21:47
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Extreme0 posted:It's a rather messy topic that I unfortuntly didn't want to derail into but alas, I guess I pulled a pissflaps derail by accident. No you didn't. I don't want to gently caress my sisters.
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Jan 3, 2016 23:33
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blowfish posted:basically the argument is that in a hypothetical situation where the relationship will be no more abusive than a normal relationship we shouldn't need to bother to ban it as far as i understand it My daughter is 16 months old you're loving revolting.
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Jan 3, 2016 23:58
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Gonzo McFee posted:Incest is bad Gonzo gets it.
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Jan 4, 2016 00:16
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   Brutal polling figures. Edit: beaten like Corbyn at the next election.
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Jan 4, 2016 17:46
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dispatch_async posted:Clearly Labour need to adopt UKIP immigration policy. That's how this works isn't it? What do you think the reason is?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Glad that's settled, this country is a hate filled piss balloon and doing anything to change that will just result in getting piss all over everything. Agreed. I'm also going to take my ball and go home with it.
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Jan 4, 2016 17:55
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I think it sounds like an interesting project.
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Jan 4, 2016 21:18
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The problem with reaching out to none voters is that they don't vote.
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Jan 5, 2016 09:45
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big scary monsters posted:I'm going to vote to leave the EU so that the rest of Europe doesn't have to put up with the UK's poo poo any more. What poo poo does the rest of the EU have to put up with from the UK?
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Jan 5, 2016 12:55
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Bedshaped posted:The UK being the most financially unequal society in Northern Europe. Why is that a problem for the EU? Chocolate Teapot posted:The UK being a practical tax haven in parts. I don't think that's unique to the UK.
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Jan 5, 2016 13:16
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Bedshaped posted:It hurts our otherwise reputable image. That's a problem for the UK rather than the EU. I'm sure there are aspects of the UK's membership of the EU that annoys other member states, but every member state is protecting its own interests. The idea that the UK is spoiling some EU love-in with its mere presence is asinine. While the UK is one of the few net contributors to the EU budget I think they'd rather have us in than out.
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Jan 5, 2016 13:21
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Fans posted:Even Cameron's said we like to annoy the EU. I don't think the UK has a responsibility to fix problems with the Euro.
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Jan 5, 2016 13:37
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Guavanaut posted:Unless the EU do their own version of The Vow just before. And then do nothing about it after. Then there's still cause for complaining. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland_Bill_2015%E2%80%9316
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Jan 5, 2016 13:40
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Guavanaut posted:Do you think Brussels will make a similar vow before the EU referendum? I'd hope they'd have more sense.
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Bedshaped posted:Do you think the UK should leave the EU, Pissflaps? No.
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Ddraig posted:Nicholas Shaxon has written a book about Tax Havens called Treasure Islands. He makes a very strong case as to the UK being a huge tax haven with London in particular being the epicenter. But is that a problem for the EU or some of its member states?
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