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I have. The local cop whose son offed himself using dad's duty pistol didn't secure it and just hung his duty belt with sidearm in a closet. Not secured. The guy in Mass. that plugged his daughter while she was sneaking in from a party shot at a figure in the dark. Not secured, no light. Again, how does a firearm kept locked in a safe with ammo not in the home or separately secured pose a threat when the owner has zero intention of ever using it for home defense? What accident unlocks a safe, removes a cable lock, reassembles a firearm, secures ammunition, loads the gun, aims it at a person, and pulls the trigger?
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Butch Cassidy posted:I have. The local cop whose son offed himself using dad's duty pistol didn't secure it and just hung his duty belt with sidearm in a closet. Not secured. Does it matter? My life isn't improved and is actively made more dangerous if I make a mistake or slip up in securing my firearms at home. There is no advantage to keeping my guns in my house, none at all, so why should I?
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I'm glad that TFR has revealed that they cannot tolerate the existence of people with even mild differences of opinion, to the point of demanding, tears running down their pudgy middle-aged faces, that someone who keeps their guns somewhere other than their home recant their heresy, possibly over some beers.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:20
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I don't care how you store you firearms or if you own any at all. I am curious how a secured firearm owned by a person with zero intent to use one defensively could possibly accidently be taken from a safe, accidentally find the cable locl removed, be reassembled by accident, before someone accidentally unlocks the ammo to accidentally load the gun and then accidentally aim and be fired unintentionally at another person. That fear is not realistic. Not trusting yourself is fine and you can admit it. Not trusting your housemates also fine. Not wantimg them in the house is fine. But insisting that a secured firearm is a risk because of statistics is phobic.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:23
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Who What Now posted:Can you tell me how my life is improved by keeping my guns in my house? So don't. Nobody cares if you do or don't. You're the one being a carehard about it.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:34
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Pauline Kael posted:So don't. Nobody cares if you do or don't. You're the one being a carehard about it. Half a dozen people jumped down my throat for not keeping my guns in my house. But yeah, you guys totally don't care. Butch Cassidy posted:I don't care how you store you firearms or if you own any at all. I am curious how a secured firearm owned by a person with zero intent to use one defensively could possibly accidently be taken from a safe, accidentally find the cable locl removed, be reassembled by accident, before someone accidentally unlocks the ammo to accidentally load the gun and then accidentally aim and be fired unintentionally at another person. That fear is not realistic. Not trusting yourself is fine and you can admit it. Not trusting your housemates also fine. Not wantimg them in the house is fine. But insisting that a secured firearm is a risk because of statistics is phobic. But a secured firearm is a risk. Precisely because of other people and the chance for human errors. You seem to only believe that active malevolent intentions can result in a gun death. That's dumb as poo poo and ignores the countless accidental gun deaths that happen every single year.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:38
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Effectronica posted:I'm glad that TFR has revealed that they cannot tolerate the existence of people with even mild differences of opinion, to the point of demanding, tears running down their pudgy middle-aged faces, that someone who keeps their guns somewhere other than their home recant their heresy, possibly over some beers. All of the eliminationest rhetoric and death threats in this thread are coming from exactly one poster. I guess because your schtick consists entirely of that, it's not a surprise but boy howdy is it getting tired
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Jan 24, 2016 21:39
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Who What Now posted:Half a dozen people jumped down my throat for not keeping my guns in my house. But yeah, you guys totally don't care. So you go on and wear 2 belts and two sets of suspenders, and continue to live your pitiful mewling existence of being terrified of your own shadow. Maybe firearm ownership isn't for you.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:42
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Pauline Kael posted:So you go on and wear 2 belts and two sets of suspenders, and continue to live your pitiful mewling existence of being terrified of your own shadow. Maybe firearm ownership isn't for you. You seem like the exact kind of person who shoots a girlfriend because dinner wasn't ready when you got home.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:47
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Who What Now posted:Can you tell me how my life is improved by keeping my guns in my house? Yearly savings on storage locker fees.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:51
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Who What Now posted:You seem like the exact kind of person who shoots a girlfriend because dinner wasn't ready when you got home. Why do you say that? Because I disagree with you? If anything, it's you and your fellow anti rights crusaders that seem to have the short tempers, with the constant insults and threats.
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Jan 24, 2016 21:54
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Who What Now posted:Half a dozen people jumped down my throat for not keeping my guns in my house. But yeah, you guys totally don't care. Show me one accidental gun death in the homd caused by a gun owned by someone who wouldn't grab it for home defense, locked up with separately secured ammunition. A sdries of deliberate actions would have to taoe place to ready it and cause harm. It would not be an accident. A suicide or homicide, yes. So, do you not trust yourself. Not trust your housemates? Or are you afraid of statistics taken out of real world context?
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Jan 24, 2016 21:58
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^^^^^ Are you having a stroke or are you dyslexic? Pauline Kael posted:constant insults Pauline Kael posted:continue to live your pitiful mewling existence of being terrified of your own shadow. Pauline Kael posted:You're the one being a carehard Pauline Kael posted:I'll add something else while I'm add it, and it feels strange to say it, but Tezzor is a higher quality poster than you are Pauline Kael posted:Yeah I imagine a guy like you doesn't have any friends and has never been invited out for a beer. It helps explain your inability to discuss things like an adult and treasuring juvenile snark over rational discourse. You are just too precious. 
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Jan 24, 2016 21:59
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fishmech posted:Good, I'm glad Obama made all guns illegal. I would like for this to be the case as well.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:04
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Who What Now posted:Can you tell me how my life is improved by keeping my guns in my house? No, of course not. It's for you to decide, it just always strikes me as weird when people talk about statistics for accidentally or intentionally killing family members. It would be like citing statistics for alcohol use and domestic violence. You have the power not to do it, regardless of whatever the statistics are. But if you prefer to store your guns elsewhere, more power to you.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:06
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SedanChair posted:No, of course not. It's for you to decide, it just always strikes me as weird when people talk about statistics for accidentally or intentionally killing family members. It would be like citing statistics for alcohol use and domestic violence. You have the power not to do it, regardless of whatever the statistics are. Then why the incredulity and the pushback? It's it suddenly not ok to do something if I don't have ideologically pure reasoning to do it?
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Jan 24, 2016 22:12
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Who What Now posted:Then why the incredulity and the pushback? It's it suddenly not ok to do something if I don't have ideologically pure reasoning to do it? Or, you know, lying about doing something anyways
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Jan 24, 2016 22:16
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Who What Now posted:Then why the incredulity and the pushback? It's it suddenly not ok to do something if I don't have ideologically pure reasoning to do it? I'm just saying, you can't casually drop "I don't keep guns in the house because I don't want to end up capping my wife" and not expect to raise a few eyebrows.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:18
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Who What Now posted:Why the second amendment was written doesn't matter. It has no place in today's society and should be abolished.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:24
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Butch Cassidy posted:I don't care how you store you firearms or if you own any at all. I am curious how a secured firearm owned by a person with zero intent to use one defensively could possibly accidently be taken from a safe, accidentally find the cable locl removed, be reassembled by accident, before someone accidentally unlocks the ammo to accidentally load the gun and then accidentally aim and be fired unintentionally at another person. That fear is not realistic. Not trusting yourself is fine and you can admit it. Not trusting your housemates also fine. Not wantimg them in the house is fine. But insisting that a secured firearm is a risk because of statistics is phobic. She once said "Satan puts the bullets in the gun when you're not looking." It's just fear. It's because guns have no use for most people in modern life, people don't grow up with guns anymore, and guns on TV are basically violence porn. I can't have a gun for target shooting but goddamn Jessica Jones is such a strong female role model she can use a gun.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:29
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Who What Now posted:But a secured firearm is a risk. Precisely because of other people and the chance for human errors. You seem to only believe that active malevolent intentions can result in a gun death. That's dumb as poo poo and ignores the countless accidental gun deaths that happen every single year.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:32
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If you are worried about actual accidental gun death, those come with ownership of a firearm. Being worried about an accident while securing/cleaning/unloading/etc. a gun to the point you keep it at a storage facility shifts "accident in the home" to a new location. Gun shot wound will be the same. Ignorong following basic safety tenants, the o ly avoidance of gun accidents is to not own them. A secured firearm is only a risk for deliberate criminal use. This is where keeping them out of the home makes actual sense. Not trusting yourself is a perfectly good use of insight. Not trusting your housemates shows valid observation. Admitting a phobia is also fine.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:33
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Jan 24, 2016 22:35
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SedanChair posted:I'm just saying, you can't casually drop "I don't keep guns in the house because I don't want to end up capping my wife" and not expect to raise a few eyebrows.
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Jan 24, 2016 22:36
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Let's be clear here. The regular statements of TFR geeks that all people who are pro-control are ignorant and afraid and need to be reeducated makes it clear that there can be no compromise and no coexistence. You will continue to try to convert the entire nation, and will not accept anyone who will not submit to your cult. That is why guns are and remain a problem for the collective sanity and health of this country.
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SedanChair posted:I'm just saying, you can't casually drop "I don't keep guns in the house because I don't want to end up capping my wife" and not expect to raise a few eyebrows. I don't want to keep guns in my house because it increases the risk of death by gun, usually accidental death. Not all gun deaths are intentional homicides. NathanScottPhillips posted:Hell, there's no constitutional right to own a car! I don't give a gently caress about the second amendment.
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Who What Now posted:
Why would you? You're a lying, unhinged manchild that thankfully is limited to making stories up to seem relevant to a discussion. I'd ask you what firearm you own but I'm sure you would just go google "typical firearm" or something
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Jan 24, 2016 22:54
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Ah, decrepit Republicans have learned from the Campus Crusade for Christ to accuse people of being fake gun owners because they're not down with crushing the loony libs. I suppose it's time to slash Medicare.
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Butch Cassidy posted:If you are worried about actual accidental gun death, those come with ownership of a firearm. Being worried about an accident while securing/cleaning/unloading/etc. a gun to the point you keep it at a storage facility shifts "accident in the home" to a new location. Gun shot wound will be the same. Ignorong following basic safety tenants, the o ly avoidance of gun accidents is to not own them. if you're not fine with keeping a mortar in your house you're obviously some kind of lunatic planning on killing your kids. "Secured firearm" is the "clean coal" for people who collect murder toys.
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Not one of has told me how a gun can accidentally be unlocked from a safe, separately stored ammo be accidentally unlocked and loaded into the gun, and then the gun be used to, still accidentally, kill or maim a person.
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Effectronica posted:Let's be clear here. The regular statements of TFR geeks that all people who are pro-control are ignorant and afraid and need to be reeducated makes it clear that there can be no compromise and no coexistence. You will continue to try to convert the entire nation, and will not accept anyone who will not submit to your cult. That is why guns are and remain a problem for the collective sanity and health of this country. I like the term "pro-control"! It sounds so much better than "anti-gunner" or any old phrase like that. It's about loving control. Michael Bloomberg in jodhpurs.
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Butch Cassidy posted:Not one of has told me how a gun can accidentally be unlocked from a safe, separately stored ammo be accidentally unlocked and loaded into the gun, and then the gun be used to, still accidentally, kill or maim a person. What about my reason for keeping my arsenal out of the home? I just don't want to have the inevitable shootout with NRA death squads where I'd get blood on the carpet.
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Butch Cassidy posted:Not one of has told me how a gun can accidentally be unlocked from a safe, separately stored ammo be accidentally unlocked and loaded into the gun, and then the gun be used to, still accidentally, kill or maim a person. Late at night from inside the safe, you hear it crying out to you. "Take me out bro." You sleepwalk towards the safe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8-pP4VboBk
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Jan 24, 2016 23:13
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Butch Cassidy posted:Not one of has told me how a gun can accidentally be unlocked from a safe, separately stored ammo be accidentally unlocked and loaded into the gun, and then the gun be used to, still accidentally, kill or maim a person. Any example I could give you would be instantly dismissed since you have accepted a priori that it can't possibly happen. So what's the point in engaging with someone who isn't interested in a discussion?
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Jan 24, 2016 23:18
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uninterrupted posted:if you're not fine with keeping a mortar in your house you're obviously some kind of lunatic planning on killing your kids. To people who are anti bill of rights I suppose. To rational adults though, those really aren't analogous things at all.
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SedanChair posted:I like the term "pro-control"! It sounds so much better than "anti-gunner" or any old phrase like that. It's about loving control. Michael Bloomberg in jodhpurs. Also implies youse guys are out of control, which all too many of you are. Bringing youse's AR-15s to the motherfucking Chipotle and poo poo.
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Jan 24, 2016 23:20
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Who What Now posted:Any example I could give you would be instantly dismissed since you have accepted a priori that it can't possibly happen. So what's the point in engaging with someone who isn't interested in a discussion? So, you can't think of one?
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Pauline Kael posted:To people who are anti bill of rights I suppose. To rational adults though, those really aren't analogous things at all. So the second amendment doesn't allow you to keep mortars? A weapon that is nearly as old as personal firearms? Interesting.
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Who What Now posted:So the second amendment doesn't allow you to keep mortars? A weapon that is nearly as old as personal firearms? Interesting. Nice work on the chewbacca defense. Maybe now is when you threaten to kill someone since Effectronica is probated again, you'll have to do all the heavy lifting
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Unlike Effectronica, gun nuts, and whoever the rear end in a top hat who's always not so subtly suggesting gun owners should use their guns to off themselves, I don't wish death upon other posters. I do think that you, specifically, Pauline, are probably a danger to the people around you and should seek help, though.
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