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It's cool though because Saturn Neptune and Pluto then all became gay moms and raised the magical girl they tried to kill.
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alcharagia posted:i have a friend who really likes this show and he talks about how "it's not really even a magical girl show it's more of a Shakespearean tragedy" and i'm really hesitant to watch it therefore no, its a nice darker than usual magical girl show with some cool postmodern flourishes and apocalyptic imagery. riyl: utena, eva, haruhi
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alcharagia posted:i have a friend who really likes this show and he talks about how "it's not really even a magical girl show it's more of a Shakespearean tragedy" and i'm really hesitant to watch it therefore Spoken like someone in denial about liking a magical girl show who knows nothing about the genre as a whole. It is true though that (besides, I guess, the visual style) the main thing setting it apart from other magical girl shows is how unrelentingly bleak it is so if you don't want a show about how everything sucks and is hopeless forever maybe watch something else. (I do not like Madoka but lurk its threads for reasons mostly unbeknownst even to myself)
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alcharagia posted:i have a friend who really likes this show and he talks about how "it's not really even a magical girl show it's more of a Shakespearean tragedy" and i'm really hesitant to watch it therefore also the show isn't really about how everything sucks forever, sorry poster above me it isn't really darker than other magical girl shows either tbh. like sailor moon has some dark poo poo in it.
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Endorph posted:your friend is lame yeahhhhh i know
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alcharagia posted:i have a friend who really likes this show and he talks about how "it's not really even a magical girl show it's more of a Shakespearean tragedy" and i'm really hesitant to watch it therefore
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Reminder that the true hidden secret OTP of Madoka is Sayaka and Homura     
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Bad Seafood posted:The only way anybody could describe Madoka as either "Shakespearean" or "Tragic" would be if they had no idea what either of those words meant. where da dick jokes at
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PerrineClostermann posted:Reminder that the true hidden secret OTP of Madoka is Sayaka and Homura  
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Bad Seafood posted:The only way anybody could describe Madoka as either "Shakespearean" or "Tragic" would be if they had no idea what either of those words meant. which is good because shakespeare is boring whereas madoka is not
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pandaK posted:go on  
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pandaK posted:go on ...Huh. Um, lemme see...  
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I watched the movies about a month ago and rebellion was cool
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I just rewatched the first two Madoka movies, and I still like it. I really love the closing credits for the first movie though.
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pandaK posted:go on  Lots of HomuraxSayaka The Most HomuraxSayaka
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Bad Seafood posted:The only way anybody could describe Madoka as either "Shakespearean" or "Tragic" would be if they had no idea what either of those words meant. That's too bad, since a well constructed Shakespearean tragedy is one of my favorite types of story, and calling it that actually made me interested in checking out the show...
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other than my interest in pairing the tiny kids together that is 
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please post fanart of my favorite pairing, the suicidal lady from episode 2 and the cleaning woman from the TV dimension witch episode.
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Tarranon posted:other than my interest in pairing the tiny kids together that is 
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wasn't there a comic where madoka yelled at sayaka for being homophobic
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Tarranon posted:That's too bad, since a well constructed Shakespearean tragedy is one of my favorite types of story, and calling it that actually made me interested in checking out the show... It is most definitely not a Shakespearean tragedy. It is a magical girl show with an excellent twist. Tarranon posted:other than my interest in pairing the tiny kids together that is Yeah uh 
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:HomuSaya is weird.
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a cartoon duck posted:wasn't there a comic where madoka yelled at sayaka for being homophobic This one?
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The Devilman parody is simply the best.
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hell of a show/movie. emotional, ambitious and stylish
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PerrineClostermann posted:Reminder that the true hidden secret OTP of Madoka is Sayaka and Homura I would also like to present my theory that becoming a magical girl automatically turns you into a magical lesbian. (Like a regular lesbian, but only attracted to equally magical girls)
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Tarranon posted:That's too bad, since a well constructed Shakespearean tragedy is one of my favorite types of story, and calling it that actually made me interested in checking out the show... you could maybe compare it to greek tragedy since it relies a lot on anagnorisis. even that's a stretch though.
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Thinking on it, I'll give an example of how Rebellion utilizes the term. First though, to me, and to properly define it, it is to separate meaning from text. To take the text and pull it apart, looking at inherent themes, concepts, and overall meaning beyond just what the text is saying. A secondary feature is that through this, the contradictions of the work are exposed. Madoka the series does not do this, as it simply creating a specific world with Magical Girls. Madoka is very referential to other works, but it is also clearly doing its own thing and the point is not to address those works within this context. Rebellion however does this to the series with Homura, as we see her inward reactions to the end of the series. The text at the end of the series is, overall, very straight-forward. Madoka makes her wish, Magical Girls are saved, everything is great, and Homura has found a new purpose and is happy. But what is the inherent meaning here? What is behind the facade, and what is Homura actually thinking? How does the series contradict itself? This is in part why Rebellion's choice of setting is brilliantly chosen, as it is literally inside Homura's head. The example here starts just after Homura has had her discussion with Sayaka, and we see her reacting to the creation of the Labyrinth:  “Someone here dragged everyone into this unattainable dream world, forsaking our duty to battle the wraiths. Such weakness should be unforgivable. Magical Girls must continue always to fight. That was the price we paid for our miracles. It’s because our fate is what it is that she gave up everything to save us. This ridiculous farce is just wasting the sacrifice that Madoka made for us. I won’t allow it.” But this is simply the text as presented at the end of the series. What is actually going on with Homura?  “Gott ist tot! Gott ist tot! Gott ist tot!” “The third one to come was Liar. She offered false tears to Good-for-Nothing's soul. “Alas, Mistress Good-for-Nothing. We are proud of your foolish soul.” These dolls will sneer at the foolish and become their ally.” - (Rebellion Material Book) As we see, Liar leads the charge, throwing pomegranates in Homura’s direction with the cry of “Gott ist tot!”, or “God is dead!” in German. This is a concept proposed by Friedrich Nietzsche that, in brief, means the loss of connection to god, and the abandonment of god as a source of absolute moral principle. Within this context, it means Homura has lost her connection to Madoka. More to the point, it reveals the true meaning of how the series ended, that Homura's religious devotion was merely a lie to deal with this loss. The inherent contradiction that Rebellion exposes here is that the end of the series was not as the text presented. Homura was not happy with the result or her role, and God truly was Dead, at least to Homura. Thus the intention of Rebellion here is finding the deeper meaning behind the text, to show that Ultimate Madoka was "dead" to Homura, and, really, always was.
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Lord Justice posted:words  I'm suspicious that Urobuchi and/or Inu Curry drew influence from Derrida's "The Post Card", because Derrida goes into great detail in connecting Nietzsche's ideas in Zarathustra to Freud's "Fort! Da!" game—both of these being directly referenced by imagery in Rebellion. the Nutcracker symbolism is probably my favorite though. Homulilly is a broken nutcracker, reflecting all of Homura's self-perceived failures, right? So when she transforms, crushing her soul gem between her teeth, that's a super powerful scene to me. also the nutcracker symbolism is much more palatable than a crock pot of postmodern writers.
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Bad Seafood posted:The following is a public service announcement: I mean, technically it is, so please allow good quality arguments tia
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Bad Seafood posted:Less of this in the thread in general would be great. I'm going to ask Lord justice about all the Yuri pairs
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This series is good as long as you never read more about it and ignore everything the creator has to say about it. The movie was a pretty good hour and a half long story. Not really needed, but by itself I still found it to be a fun 90 minutes.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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the show has been over for ages people
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Thats why I'm gonna watch the movies *hikes up pants, strikes a pose*
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