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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Sulphuric rear end in a top hat posted:

I've certainly seen plenty of ironic misandry amongst activist circles. This would include rhetoric such as "bathing in male tears" or "kill all men." While it is true that nobody takes such phrases as actual threats, and as an example, the incident in which Bahar Mustafa defended ironic misandry as ok to joke about comes to mind, I can't help but question whether or not such jokes are innappropriate, and whether or not people who make such jokes should apologize and recognize the triggering nature such jokes have on at least half of all domestic violence victims.

According to CDC statistics, men outnumber women with regards to reported domestic violence. Given the relative imbalance in domestic violence shelters for men, along with the societal atandard of openly mocking men who show emotional responses to traumatic events, do jokes about "bathing in male tears" and killing men trivialize domestic abuse againat men, and should public places, such as universities offer safe spaces from such potentially triggering words?

I don't know if it actually trivializes the victims, but it makes me roll my eyes and tune out whoever does it.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Helsing posted:

Maybe the better question is: how is this different than a million other ways that leftists have found to alienate people outside their core audience? And why might it be that this particular example upsets us more than the ramblings of some out of touch Maoist or self righteous vegan environmentalist? Probably, at least in part, it's because as men we can't help but feel slightly unsettled when we're specifically targeted and rhetorically attacked by women.

Environmentalists of the vegan/liberate the oppressed cows type and Maoists are incredibly tiny groups which have never been taken seriously in our society (by which I mean the Western/First World in general). Feminism is pretty damned mainstream.

That's the difference.

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