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Amgard
Dec 28, 2006

Constant Hamprince posted:

No wonder you're having trouble keeping Cruz's facade up, your Cruz has the hidden 'premature spawning' debuff. You need to get him to his lair in Calgary stat and perform the 'Rite of Sloughing' ritual or Cruz will keep puking up larvae during debates, destroying his facade level.

You can go to Canada in GE'16? I know you could in '00 and '04 through the optional "51st State - America's Toque" questline if you had Global War enabled.

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Amgard posted:

You can go to Canada in GE'16? I know you could in '00 and '04 through the optional "51st State - America's Toque" questline if you had Global War enabled.

Its in the game, but its a bit obtuse about how to get there. You have to enter the Bloodgates that open up if Trump wins the majority of Super Tuesday states. Its a special catch up mechanism for non-Trump players to try to stay competitive against the overpowered Trump AI. For Cruz, the Bloodgates lead to Calgary where he can slough off his decaying flesh suit and birth his spawn before his polls take too much of a hit. I haven't played Rubio yet, but I think the Bloodgates take him to an eternal foam party where he can practice his jokes and regain self confidence if he takes too big of a hit from Trump. If you can get there with Carson, you can find a bed where he can finally get a good night's sleep. I can confirm Kasich does not have a Bloodgate zone, perhaps an oversight? The Bloodgates only stay open if Trump is in the lead and there are at least three other candidates in the race though. Once the field narrows to three the Trumpocalypse event starts up and the Bloodgates close until the General. If you avoid narrowing the field and get to a Brokered Convention instead, the Bloodgates still close until the General, but the Hellmouth side area opens in Cleveland where non-Trumps can get similar buffs.

Constant Hamprince
Oct 24, 2010

by exmarx
College Slice

Not a Step posted:

Its in the game, but its a bit obtuse about how to get there. You have to enter the Bloodgates that open up if Trump wins the majority of Super Tuesday states. Its a special catch up mechanism for non-Trump players to try to stay competitive against the overpowered Trump AI. For Cruz, the Bloodgates lead to Calgary where he can slough off his decaying flesh suit and birth his spawn before his polls take too much of a hit. I haven't played Rubio yet, but I think the Bloodgates take him to an eternal foam party where he can practice his jokes and regain self confidence if he takes too big of a hit from Trump. If you can get there with Carson, you can find a bed where he can finally get a good night's sleep. I can confirm Kasich does not have a Bloodgate zone, perhaps an oversight? The Bloodgates only stay open if Trump is in the lead and there are at least three other candidates in the race though. Once the field narrows to three the Trumpocalypse event starts up and the Bloodgates close until the General. If you avoid narrowing the field and get to a Brokered Convention instead, the Bloodgates still close until the General, but the Hellmouth side area opens in Cleveland where non-Trumps can get similar buffs.

You don't actually have to go to through the Bloodgates to get to the Calgary lair, prior to Super Tuesday Calgary is can be accessed via Portal, North Dakota*, but only by Cruz; you teleport straight to the Calgary lair if you show your Secret Canadian Passport to the mounty at the border checkpoint. You can't go out into Calgary itself because the lair's vault doors stay sealed until the General, but you can take the hidden tunnel to the Broodfather Throne Room to talk to Harper and pick up the 'Reclaim Alaska' questline early.

*While googling I found that Portal, ND is actually a real place. Weird, I always thought they added it for the game.

Levarris
Sep 19, 2011

"To win in battle, know your enemy. To win in life, know your weakness."
- Miyamoto Musashi

Constant Hamprince posted:

You don't actually have to go to through the Bloodgates to get to the Calgary lair, prior to Super Tuesday Calgary is can be accessed via Portal, North Dakota*, but only by Cruz; you teleport straight to the Calgary lair if you show your Secret Canadian Passport to the mounty at the border checkpoint. You can't go out into Calgary itself because the lair's vault doors stay sealed until the General, but you can take the hidden tunnel to the Broodfather Throne Room to talk to Harper and pick up the 'Reclaim Alaska' questline early.

*While googling I found that Portal, ND is actually a real place. Weird, I always thought they added it for the game.

Well they did add it for the game, but Portal was added originally in the 1884 Classic Edition for Grover Cleveland to use in order to trap the soul of James G Blaine in the shadowlands, and as you may recall that edition of the game was extremely frought with bugs and you had to exploit a ballot glitch just to hit that achievement.

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded
So is the Prima guide just wrong about everything for this?

I'm doing a Rubio run, first quest I did was Closing the Risk Corridor (actually not that difficult btw, choose supply-sider trait when rolling), chose the Exp Share for my reward and literally haven't taken it off Rubio once but he still gets demolished. I know we'll be able to import characters to the 2020 edition but Rubio feels like a trap choice in this game.

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Vitamin P posted:

So is the Prima guide just wrong about everything for this?

I'm doing a Rubio run, first quest I did was Closing the Risk Corridor (actually not that difficult btw, choose supply-sider trait when rolling), chose the Exp Share for my reward and literally haven't taken it off Rubio once but he still gets demolished. I know we'll be able to import characters to the 2020 edition but Rubio feels like a trap choice in this game.

The general consensus is that a number of the new gameplay features in the 2016 release are interacting in ways that even the developers never foresaw, and the usual tactics just aren't working this time around. The Prima guide was written using a preview version and makes a number of assumptions (particularly about the effectiveness of the SuperPAC system and the idea that Trump was meant to be a challenge character) that just haven't held up post-release.

Though I just don't get how some of this game made it past QA, like the recently discovered Guaca Bowle infinite loot bug.

As for Rubio in particular, it may feel counter-intuitive, given that his stealth makes early campaign survival so easy, but you need to focus on DPS abilities for him RIGHT AWAY. If you wait til the Super Tuesday questline to go on the offensive with him, it will be too late. And don't rely on Dispel. It seems so good on paper, but if you overuse it, the feedback from Christie's Wrath can completely cripple him.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
I just find the events in the game totally unbelieveable. Can't get immersed at all. I dunno how you guys can stretch the realm of the possible to include the game's plot.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Awww what the gently caress! I just got blocked out in my Trump run by Soros agents! I'm not even out of the primary yet, I thought they were only active in the GE :confused:

I didn't lose any HP though but I also didn't do any damage. Is this supposed to be like a prologue or something for the General?

Indie Rocktopus
Feb 20, 2012

In the aeroplane
over the sea


I mentioned a while back I wanted to try a Jindal Exorcist-class challenge run. Well, it's a pain in the rear end getting him past November, let alone through the Iowa Gauntlet event in February, which opens up a few optional campaign outposts you can liberate for Evangelical-type voters and supplies. BUT! I found a pretty ridiculous glitch(?) with Jindal that makes it significantly easier.

Basically, when you use EXORCIZE on Ted Cruz, he just... vanishes. Just goddamn disappears from the game, his code is totally wiped from your hard drive and you have to reinstall to access him again. Any dialogue or cut scenes that even refers to him is replaced with gibberish. I actually had to restart my campaign the first time I tried this, because if you wait too long then erasing Cruz opens a ton of plot holes and glitches your save beyond recovery.

But if you glitch Cruz out at the first opportunity (preferably at CPAC 2014 during the tutorial), his absence opens up enough unaligned Feudal Theocracy districts that you can just barely grind through with one of the other Evangelical candidates. Jindal is actually playable, especially if you get the "Whitewash Portrait" perk ASAP. In combat, EXORCIZE is basically a more powerful and consistent version of Rubio's DISPEL. It's a boon against Undead enemies like "The Implacable Ghost of Post-Reconstruction Southern White Revanchism" and Rick Scott.

That's not the cool part, though. The cool part is you can actually use EXORCIZE on your own party members, which opens up optional character quests and even one or two new endings. There's a lot of content here and it's a shame most players won't see it. Here's what I've found so far:

EXORCIZE --> Rubio
Remember the hidden "Heteronormativity" curse on Rubio? The one that nobody could figure out what it actually does? Well, EXORCIZE dispels it, and Rubio gets completely respec'ed. His class changes to "Rude Boi," he equips shirtless-type armor and foam cannon weapons, you unlock a couple of EDM tracks in the Audio Test and his attacks involve (thankfully very easy) rhythm-based QTEs... he's actually a pretty fun character. He's also got a really sweet romance quest with Lindsey Graham that I won't spoil :3:

EXORCIZE -> Trump
There's a bizarre cutscene where Trump starts bleeding out of his eyes and his skull splits open, and the rest of your party is transported to an optional dungeon called the "Undertower." I think it's supposed to take place in Trump's subconscious? There's a lot of weird psychosexual stuff, including a few unique Silent Hill 2-esque enemies like "Elektra Complex," "Littlefingers" and "Trumpsteak." Anyway, the final boss is this tentacled Azathoth/Flying Spaghetti Monster looking thing called the Golden Fleece. Beat it, and you return to the real world.
Another cutscene starts and Trump starts screaming again and he just starts tearing out his own hair, huge bloody clumps of it, like strands going all the way down into his brain. It's kind of disturbing. There's a flash of light and then Trump... changes. He's bald, and the orange color sort of evaporates from his skin. He stands and is hands are shaking, like he's contracted a neurological disorder, but he just looks at them and smiles. "It is only proper," he says, "that I bear the affliction of those I have mocked."
Trump gives a little speech about how he's going to walk the earth, doing good works for the poor and needy. "I will till the earth and harvest grain. I will build not walls but bridges. With these hands," he says, "these small, vulgar hands, I will show America grace again." And then he ascends into the heavens on an escalator of light.

EXORCIZE -> JEB!
Jeb spawns a three-headed boss monster called "Bush Legion." It gives a little anime supervillain speech: "I am the vampire queen-mother whose spoilt milk you suck! I am the lich sire whose blade and bride you covet! I am the prodigal son, the first heir, who takes the mantle you would claim by right!"
So you kill it and then... things get super anime. Jeb sighs, as if laying down a great burden, as he produces an empty sheath and draws a new weapon called the "Eternal Sword of Changes." He approaches the Legion and embraces it and plunges the sword into its back, through its body, driving it into his own chest. Then Jeb and the Bush Legion dissolve into shining plasma and merge a four-faced, eight-winged, four-dimensional angelic entity called "JEBHOVA," which (I think? The translation is iffy) encodes itself into the Bush family DNA and extends backwards through time via genetic memory.
Like I said, :pcgaming:
JEBHOVA takes over the White House in 1984 and announces free universal healthcare and allows the ailing Reagan to spend his declining years with Nancy in peace and tranquility. It ends the Cold War early and stops global warming by transmuting all nuclear weapons into engines of pure and infinite celestial power. It sways the Supreme Court to declare a Bush/Gore co-presidency, and prevents 9/11 and the financial crisis, and preaches universal love and brotherhood to the radical right, and everything is beautiful forever, and nothing hurts.
You also get the "Book of JEB!" achievement.

Indie Rocktopus has issued a correction as of 03:03 on Mar 14, 2016

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Indie Rocktopus posted:

I mentioned a while back I wanted to try a Jindal Exorcist-class challenge run. Well, it's a pain in the rear end getting him past November, let alone through the Iowa Gauntlet event in February, which opens up a few optional campaign outposts you can liberate for Evangelical-type voters and supplies. BUT! I found a pretty ridiculous glitch(?) with Jindal that makes it significantly easier.

Basically, when you use EXORCIZE on Ted Cruz, he just... vanishes. Just goddamn disappears from the game, his code is totally wiped from your hard drive and you have to reinstall to access him again. Any dialogue or cut scenes that even refers to him is replaced with gibberish. I actually had to restart my campaign the first time I tried this, because if you wait too long then erasing Cruz opens a ton of plot holes and glitches your save beyond recovery.

But if you glitch Cruz out at the first opportunity (preferably at CPAC 2014 during the tutorial), his absence opens up enough unaligned Feudal Theocracy districts that you can just barely grind through with one of the other Evangelical candidates. Jindal is actually playable, especially if you get the "Whitewash Portrait" perk ASAP. In combat, EXORCIZE is basically a more powerful and consistent version of Rubio's DISPEL. It's a boon against Undead enemies like "The Implacable Ghost of Post-Reconstruction Southern White Revanchism" and Rick Scott.

Holy poo poo, that is cool. I'm gonna try that.

I gotta say, the rubber banding baked into the new campaign is just bullshit. If you make a red candidate who draws from populism instead of elitism, and you get close to having the votes for a convention, the AI shits a brick. I tried Trump and mother of God, his "racism" ability stacks with his base passion stat, only unlike the others it's bugged to poo poo - base passion and racism acts as a multiplier rather than an additive. (I'm guessing this is a bug, since most candidates only dogwhistle their racism [50% damage penalty] unless the enemy is of the 'Muslim' or Beholder subtype, and it just seems weird they'd give Trump such a crushing advantage.) Anyway, first the elite backed the Bush Candidate, and then they backed 'anybody but Trump' - in my playthrough it was Rubio. (I've heard that Fiorna can also get this bonus, but my god, her stats suck, she's just not very good.) I then beat Rubio by doing basically nothing. Now, though, All the remaining candidates have come together at the call of Prince Prebus, and are now working together to try to deny me delegate votes? It's an event called "Anybody But McGovern", I know he was a character in a old game, I never played it because it was a Xbox 360 exclusive and it never came to steam. CPAC should worship me, but this purple octopus showed up that I've never seen before, named Ultros and he like blinds Megan Kelly with ink. And now my Propaganda network betrayed me for no reason other than rubberbanding. Oh, and now Kasich is suddenly has more money than the Catholic Church, just so he can hold loving Ohio! Really annoying!

Has anybody played the convention yet? Ultros is not loving around, I was at a rally grindin' some whites when he just appeared behind me and said "I owe you one from before so now I'm gonna jam up your convention!" Then he vanished, scared the poo poo outta me

tinstaach
Aug 3, 2010

MAGNetic AttITUDE


Wow, the end of the DLC schedule is just terrible. Don't waste 5 bucks on it like I did.

I thought buying the new characters, Barron and Miller, would add some variety to the campaign. Turns out they're just re-skins of the Trump character. Same appearance, same abilities, even the dialogue is exactly the same! Pointless money grab, show some effort next time devs.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I think I hit a glitch in the blue version: I reduced Bernie's HP to 0 but he still keeps attacking. I run away but he says he'll keep coming back until the convention. He's not really a problem but I want to progress the game and Trump is too hard to fight at the same time. Help?

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
This is bullshit! There's no reason to ever not Attack when given the opportunity as Trump, but you do it in this one specific encounter with some judge and it totally wrecks you. So stupid that the devs would just change up the rules like that.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

EngineerSean posted:

I think I hit a glitch in the blue version: I reduced Bernie's HP to 0 but he still keeps attacking. I run away but he says he'll keep coming back until the convention. He's not really a problem but I want to progress the game and Trump is too hard to fight at the same time. Help?

Hillary *starts* the primary with some of the best gear and stats of any character in either version and only goes up from there. If you're having trouble holding off a feeble old psuedo-socialist while dealing with Trump you might want to just start a fresh campaign and maybe read the guide this time. Honestly if you haven't put Sanders away by March you might want to restart anyways.

As for Trump, try attacking him from the left. He should fold pretty quickly. Unless you started your Hillary too far right, which might explain why you're still having trouble with Sanders. Regardless, if you can't land a hit yourself summon Obama and have him and his staff do the work for you. Its cheap but theres no real penalty other than the shame that you couldn't run your own campaign. Its like relying on Knights of the Round in FF7.

Piece of advice for playing as Hillary though: NEVER do a press conference. Hillary actually has a negative charisma stat and absolutely cannot stand up to any unscripted questions.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Not a Step posted:

Hillary *starts* the primary with some of the best gear and stats of any character in either version and only goes up from there. If you're having trouble holding off a feeble old psuedo-socialist while dealing with Trump you might want to just start a fresh campaign and maybe read the guide this time. Honestly if you haven't put Sanders away by March you might want to restart anyways.

As for Trump, try attacking him from the left. He should fold pretty quickly. Unless you started your Hillary too far right, which might explain why you're still having trouble with Sanders. Regardless, if you can't land a hit yourself summon Obama and have him and his staff do the work for you. Its cheap but theres no real penalty other than the shame that you couldn't run your own campaign. Its like relying on Knights of the Round in FF7.

Piece of advice for playing as Hillary though: NEVER do a press conference. Hillary actually has a negative charisma stat and absolutely cannot stand up to any unscripted questions.

Yeah you've nailed the problem: if I wanted to do any attacks from the left, I would have just specced Bernie from the start. I dunno, I didn't get any spoilers before the game started so I thought I'd just get a bog standard Romney or Bush-type as the final boss, not a complete wild card. The devs really did a masterful job with the storytelling in the 2016 version.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
By the way, that Madness of Bill Kristol DLC that dropped last week is really good. Doesn't play anything like the regular game though.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

StandardVC10 posted:

By the way, that Madness of Bill Kristol DLC that dropped last week is really good. Doesn't play anything like the regular game though.

Its a mild spoiler, but it gets hinted at in the very first cut scene so I'm going to bother with tags, but Kristol has a falling out with his own third party candidate about a third of the way in and actually creates a fourth party. You then get the option to play the 4th party candidate, just like you get the option to go with the 3rd party candidate at the start of the DLC.

Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

Kyun kyun
Kyun kyun
Watashi no kare wa louse
Has anyone tried the Libertarian Yellow version yet? I know it was advertised as just a side-story DLC to Red and Blue but I'm pretty sure its it's own game entirely, especially since it links up to Red and Blue and has you running against whoever wins the Primary section of those. I'm pretty sure they made Yellow as kind of a challenge mode though, no matter how bad your opponents stats are they always start with like 30 point leads over you.

The opening is really strange - I think the devs looked at a lot of the negative reaction to the Primary section of Red and Blue, so while they had elections in a few states in Yellow I don't think any of them counted? It just moved straight to the convention, which was all just made up of minor NPCs from Red. I can't really tell what most of their issues were - someone on there already had Jetpacks replacing Road Funding even though Jetpacks aren't even available as of the 2016 version. And halfway through one of them started tossing all their equipped gear! These are problems I'd expect on an alpha build but the devs are insisting it's the complete version.

Anyway, I ask because I'm hitting an annoying problem. I got Gary Johnson to win, and I was somehow able to get a really high polling buff that I could maybe even use to actually beat the game, but right when I wanted to keep going, Johnson just sort of froze in place and wouldn't do anything. The game's still moving, I can tell because there's all sorts of events involving the other two, but I can't seem to select any campaign options.

Does anyone know if Green is in better shape? I don't hear a lot about that. As far as I know they're just using the same main character as in 2012, though there's all sorts of crazy rumors that since Bernie Sanders was a cult favorite in Blue, that they're going to port him over to Green.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

OK now seriously, what's the level a candidate should be for the General?

I just got Trump into the General (I got Hillary as the opponent) and she is just kicking my rear end

Like she's raising so much money, and I didn't put any points into fundraising at all. I put all my points into racism and debate grandstanding (some into con) and even the trash mob voters take a long time to grind. It's like a hit a wall when the new act opened - am I just a poo poo level? Do I need better equipment? Awesome gloves have dropped several times, but Trump can't equip them because his "fingers aren't long enough."

I know you can respec as late as the convention, but it re-sets your experience. Good idea/bad idea?

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Nebakenezzer posted:

I just got Trump into the General (I got Hillary as the opponent) and she is just kicking my rear end

A Red or better-quality Teleprompter artifact is kind of a double-edged sword for Trump, as it will negate a lot of your best skills. But selective use of it can smooth over rifts with your allies and its substitute bonuses can carry you through some of the weaker fights. Don't get too dependent on it, though, since it doesn't work during debates.

Also, Reince encounters have a chance of dropping a high-quality Teleprompter, but be careful. His drops are always cursed, and you won't be able to unequip it after you pick it up.

On another note, is the Kristol Oracle ever worth visiting? I don't think a single clue he's given me has ever panned out to anything useful, and it only gets worse as the campaign goes on. I seriously think he's just bugged. The last time I made an offering, he tried to convince me that some random flavor NPC was a potential recruit for my party, and now he just mutters about the Renegade (which I'm pretty sure just refers to some cut content).

Capfalcon
Apr 6, 2012

No Boots on the Ground,
Puny Mortals!

docbeard posted:

On another note, is the Kristol Oracle ever worth visiting? I don't think a single clue he's given me has ever panned out to anything useful, and it only gets worse as the campaign goes on. I seriously think he's just bugged. The last time I made an offering, he tried to convince me that some random flavor NPC was a potential recruit for my party, and now he just mutters about the Renegade (which I'm pretty sure just refers to some cut content).

A lot of his lines are just fluff, but he does have an important use. Specifically, his predictions are always wrong, so you can use it to figure out which enemies you should focus on in the early stages of the primaries for version Red. That's because all the RNG for the random events during the primary were rolled at the start of the game. So, if he says that Jeb is going to win, you know your game is going to have the "Please Clap" event trigger later in the primary, even it looks like he's winning at the start.

So, is there any reason you would take Huma Abedin out of your party has Hillary? She just seems too good, especially considering the undocumented "secret lovers" bonus that increases Hillary's LGBT stat.

Capfalcon has issued a correction as of 01:00 on Jun 23, 2016

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

docbeard posted:

On another note, is the Kristol Oracle ever worth visiting? I don't think a single clue he's given me has ever panned out to anything useful, and it only gets worse as the campaign goes on. I seriously think he's just bugged. The last time I made an offering, he tried to convince me that some random flavor NPC was a potential recruit for my party, and now he just mutters about the Renegade (which I'm pretty sure just refers to some cut content).

No, Kristol has been a running joke for a few games now. If he says the enemy is weak vs. fire, you better bring the cold magic. He's kinda like that magic walrus in kolumist cove? The one who just keeps saying "things are changing" and "the world is flat"? I haven't played all the games to know WTF is up, but he's a joke character too. Oh! EXCEPT he offers you a "course on writing" but it's a curse. It gives you a +50% bonus to talking to other Walrus (y'know the five walrus shopkeepers in the game), but a -50% penalty vs. everyone else. Instead of using similes and metaphors when explaining ideas, the game just mixes and matches your terms to create gibberish. It's pretty funny, but obviously get the curse removed as soon as possible.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Nebakenezzer posted:

I know you can respec as late as the convention, but it re-sets your experience. Good idea/bad idea?

Moving toward the center works in some cases but as you said, you're up against Hillary so that's a bad idea. If your general election opponent is Bernie, you can basically be a business-friendly Democrat and you'll get increased stats for everything except "Youth Vote".

Have you tried a staff shakeup? Some say that it can save a failing game.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

The ending sucked.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

The game has a pretty exploitable bug with post-electoral events.

They get queued based on how things happen in the boss battle, but are assigned to the 'loser' rather than a specific candidate.

So, for instance, if you use the 'invoke riot' ability or 'refuse to concede', and then win, those events will trigger for your opponent instead. It's a great way to squeeze in a few extra popularity points for the postgame!

Concerned Citizen
Jul 22, 2007
Ramrod XTreme
Just heard the developers are planning on mandating Trump as the incumbent for the sequel, even if you import an old savegame. Of all the potential endings to choose from, they went with the least plausible one as canon?

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Guys I got to the end a few weeks ago (Red Trump) and the endgame gave me flashes of the infamous Mass Effect 3 ends.

Like, it sets up for some grimdark sequal, because Trump just appointed a fuckbuddy of Vladimir Putin as Secretary of State. Ties to the evil empire are ignored...as long as you are on the Republican side? It doesn't loving make sense. If the president-elect was black and democratic, this would be eye-rolling for an episode of 24. Also they promised you could run your campaign your own way and see the consequences - but then they reneged on that, hard. I positioned Trump as a racist populist, a kind of narcissistic evil candy corn Bernie Sanders as a joke campaign, just to see how far I could take it. But post election the crawl has me giving posts to a bunch of literal billionaires. I mean, I understand this is a game, but my electorate is a bunch of frogs who wanted me to kick the rear end of predictors. But yeah, all of my cabinet positions are filled by Blue Herons.

I get they want America to be the underdog in the new Cold War for drama's sake, I just wish they had actually followed through with the promise they made about really being able to change things. It;s nothing like the "80 ft tall Eugene Debs physically destroys Wall Street" ending that I heard a Sanders victory brings. Or Trump falling into mud at the end, classic "80's comedy" style a Biden victory gets.

Other things:
  • They promised that the White People's genophague was going to be released in Georgia, finally curing white people of their opiates addiction that was destroying the race. Didn't happen.
  • Megyan Kelly reacting with incredulous shock at a Trump flunky citing the mass internment of Japanese Citizens in World War 2 as an example of what Trump wants to do to Muslims was funny - it was the one highlight of Trump's post victory crawl.
  • One other good thing is that this is the final death of the Blue Dog Democrats as high level villains. Good riddance, I say. Blue Dog Dems are the Dark Elves of the American Election season: they are supposed to be all powerful, but they get their poo poo kicked in more or less constantly. Bring on the Mindflayers!

Oiled and Ready
Oct 11, 2004

He wished it could be as respectable and orthodox as spying. But somehow in his hands the traditional tools and attitudes were always employed toward mean ends: cloak for a laundry sack, dagger to peel potatoes, dossiers to fill up dead Sunday afternoons ...

Concerned Citizen posted:

Just heard the developers are planning on mandating Trump as the incumbent for the sequel, even if you import an old savegame. Of all the potential endings to choose from, they went with the least plausible one as canon?

Have you played the epilogue yet? No matter what you do, Trump is president. If you win he delegitimizes the process, starts riots and bribes electors and no one gets 270 - then the House is always set to pick Trump to "calm the nation and return law and order".

It's bullshit, none of your choices really matter in the end. If Trump wins legitimately you skip the HRC execution cutscene at least

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Concerned Citizen posted:

Just heard the developers are planning on mandating Trump as the incumbent for the sequel, even if you import an old savegame. Of all the potential endings to choose from, they went with the least plausible one as canon?

Not as implausible as you might think. That Green modding group keeps trying to find ways where Hillary could have won, but the truth is her negative charisma and integrity stats that everyone glossed over in the pre-release builds always left her a long shot against anyone with the populist demagogue trait and decent stats (Bernie's low Name Recognition stat was an explicit balance to keep him from running away with the early game). I think the problem was the devs took feedback from the primary campaign too seriously ("Hillary is so electable its going to be a blow out!" - Idiots) and implemented the wrong balances. They decided Clinton didn't have enough skeletons in the closet for a rival to exploit, so rather than examine Sanders' low skulduggery skill they stuffed in all of that extremely shady email nonsense. Worse, most Clinton players complained the Michigan primary was glitched and the devs listened to them rather than trusting that the Electorate Engine was correct. The 'poll patch' only affected the Campaign analytics screen, not the underlying Electorate Engine, so any Clinton player relying exclusively on the analytics screen is going to lose every time.

A Clinton player *can* win though, if they either don't install the Poll Patch or if they fire all their data analysts and use the 'Positive Messaging' ability (Equip the 'Leftist Platform' that drops off Bernie after the Primary event to get the ability, but you have to actually use it in campaign encounters to get the benefit. Most Clinton players just equip it for the stat boosts and keep using Clinton's 'Triangulation' or 'Trump real bad' ability). Leaving the Liberal Enclave and journeying out into the Rust Belt zones will also increase the odds of winning, but unless you fire your data analysts anytime you try to leave Robbie Mook will block the door and tell you "We can take those votes for granted!"

Another way to boost appeal is to use the Flint talking point even after the primary is over. Your analysts will tell you that Flint won't score points on the coasts, but its basically impossible to lose the coasts and you should be firing your analysts anyways. If you fumble Flint the game gives you a second chance with DAPL just weeks before the election. This is your last real chance to counter any populist rival and it's handed to you on a silver platter. All you have to do is not gently caress it up.

I've read rumors that theres a hidden option during the Primary to train Podesta in basic information security, but theres nothing in the code that supports that. There *is* supposed to be a 'don't engage in political controversy' option, but it looks like the devs never implemented the alternate route and Hillary is hard coded to surround herself with people like DWS and Donna Brazile, likely as a balance concern.

E: Its kind of a minor thing, but if you're really struggling for money in the HRC campaign (not enough money to hire competent analysts seems to be an actual issue people have) you can ditch all the celebrity endorsement and appearance fees. They don't actually do anything.

Nix Panicus has issued a correction as of 05:06 on Dec 14, 2016

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Actually go and complete the Michigan and Wisconsin sidequests in a Hillary run. That's my main piece of advice. You might think you can beat the game without them, but man. You need to do those or you'll just get creamed in the last fight. I don't know if they thought they were being clever or if it was just poor balancing that didn't label them as part of the main sequence.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Oiled and Ready posted:

Have you played the epilogue yet? No matter what you do, Trump is president. If you win he delegitimizes the process, starts riots and bribes electors and no one gets 270 - then the House is always set to pick Trump to "calm the nation and return law and order".

It's bullshit, none of your choices really matter in the end. If Trump wins legitimately you skip the HRC execution cutscene at least

I've heard you can get a different outcome from the McMuffin Expansion, but it's hard-as-balls and locked on iron man difficulty.

I'd like to see a guide for that, actually.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

I'm playing the newest beta and the Bernie Sanders campaign's content seems to have been replaced by a game that plays almost exactly like Hotline Miami complete with mutilation of Russian mobsters and soldiers, what the hell happened to the development of the original campaign

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

I mean the Bernie character is way more interesting now that he's shirtless and attached sick blades to his wrists but what the actual gently caress happened to the original campaign, did people find that it was impossible?

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:

I mean the Bernie character is way more interesting now that he's shirtless and attached sick blades to his wrists but what the actual gently caress happened to the original campaign, did people find that it was impossible?

Ending spoiler:
He now effortlessly wins the election atop a throne built of the skulls of the rich and powerful if you finish his campaign.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Hodgepodge posted:

Ending spoiler:
He now effortlessly wins the election atop a throne built of the skulls of the rich and powerful if you finish his campaign.

The Slave Leia costume they had on Hillary was tasteless in my opinion. Also :barf:

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

I don't know what you people are talking about, I won with Hillary. I suggest that you git gud and actually grind a little in the Flyover Zones like the in game Former President tutorial says.

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

Are any of the party members you get with Hillary beyond the temporary ones the story gives you like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Michele Obama, and Bernie Sanders actually good?

Robby Mook is supposed to get you to travel to weak points and key areas in Election Overworld map but he keeps sending me to the starting town of New York City and the California rest area.
Peter Daou claims that his dark past gives him the ability to fight off enemies but he hits like a wet noodle. Plus his dialogue is is basically the one of the script writers who fell in love with the character of Hillary Clinton and can't stop fawning over her in a creepy way.
David Brock claims that he'll give you cash to buy supplies but the money he gives can only be spent at Political Consultant traveling merchants who jack up their prices by at least 300%.
John Podesta is a dumpster fire holy poo poo. He supposed to be a stay in the back leader type who buffs your party but all of his buffs make your party worse? And he causes you to automatically fail the "From Russia With Linux" quest.

I swear I think the joke achievement run of just Hillary and Huma is actually the most optimal way to play the game, as long as you dump Weiner ASAP.

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011
Oh no they all suck. Mook's the worst, he'll turn off auto-recruitment of volunteers and won't let you do the Michigan and Wisconsin sidequests.

Kumaton
Mar 6, 2013

OWLBEARS, SON
I think there's a way to get John Oliver as a permanent companion, and he's pretty good at PR and Favorability stat boost spells. Every guide I've read changes the process around, though, so it might be tied to the version number or some integer in the options text file.

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Zikan posted:

Are any of the party members you get with Hillary beyond the temporary ones the story gives you like Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Michele Obama, and Bernie Sanders actually good?

Robby Mook is supposed to get you to travel to weak points and key areas in Election Overworld map but he keeps sending me to the starting town of New York City and the California rest area.
Peter Daou claims that his dark past gives him the ability to fight off enemies but he hits like a wet noodle. Plus his dialogue is is basically the one of the script writers who fell in love with the character of Hillary Clinton and can't stop fawning over her in a creepy way.
David Brock claims that he'll give you cash to buy supplies but the money he gives can only be spent at Political Consultant traveling merchants who jack up their prices by at least 300%.
John Podesta is a dumpster fire holy poo poo. He supposed to be a stay in the back leader type who buffs your party but all of his buffs make your party worse? And he causes you to automatically fail the "From Russia With Linux" quest.

I swear I think the joke achievement run of just Hillary and Huma is actually the most optimal way to play the game, as long as you dump Weiner ASAP.

The sad thing is the Hillary/Huma run is actually the result of a whole questline that had to be dropped for time. Podesta and company are supposed to be hard coded to join as part of Hillary's 'Technocratic Loyalist' negative quirk, with the only way to get rid of them being completing the 'Remember Your Roots' sidequest that starts in Flint. It was supposed to be a whole personal redemption arc that ended with Hillary gaining 'Liberal Activist' to help her compete against anyone with the populist trait, but they didn't have enough time to finish it so Flint just gives a one time boost against Sanders and then its never mentioned again - although Hillary does retain the Flint talking point which still keeps racking up Populism points every time its used at campaign stops. Without the questline they just unlocked Hillary's party from the beginning.

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