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Epic High Five posted:I live in District 5 but thankfully I live in Bloomington, IN where I've been here over 6 months now and I haven't met a single person who doesn't closely follow the water supply and have strong opinions on it. It's the strangest thing, but now I'm glad that if anybody is going to get poisoned from neglect it's not going to be here because there's probably hundreds of people doing home testing as a hobby. Lake Monroe is apparently an extremely good source and locals are very proud/protective of it
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Quorum posted:
quote:David Mastio, the deputy editorial page editor of USA TODAY, was an environmental reporter for The Detroit News. Hmm...
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 03:13 |
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 07:41 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Snyder gets heckled at local Ann Arbor bar. Prank the governors office into thinking someone gave them flint water in a pitcher at a public event.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 00:29 |
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Lamebot posted:Give the governor and his staff Flint water in a pitcher at a public event.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 01:54 |
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The old adage 'there is always more and it is always worse' holds up...quote:In 2014, Ambrose was deposed in a civil lawsuit brought by retired Flint municipal workers against the state over severe cuts to their health care benefits. Attorney Alec Gibbs questioned Ambrose about the water decision (a year before Flint learned it was being poisoned). So Snyder just appoints another EM, Earley, to do it. Then when he was caught out tried to say that the board's voting to switch to the Port Huron pipeline was actually the vote to use the Flint River until that switch could take place, and tried muddying the waters (hurr) further by saying Detroit was cutting them off when in actuality Detroit Water were told 'thanks but no thanks' by Earley, presumably under Snyder's (a known micro manager) direction. I am seriously amazed noone's taken a pot shot at this guy yet.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 22:30 |
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Oh yeah, and here's the proof that the switch to Port Huron wasn't going to save Flint any money, anyway.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 22:34 |
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Oh hi FBI, glad you could finally show up to the party...quote:The office of U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said Jan. 5 that it was assisting the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a Flint drinking water investigation, but at that time, Balaya would not say whether the investigation was civil or criminal. Speaking of criminals... quote:a congressional staff member told the Free Press late Monday that former Flint Emergency Manager Darnell Earley has declined to testify. Of course the Republican Congress which just loving LOOOVES to investigate everyone and their mother over the possibility of climate change being some kind of scam and can find the time to hold eight Benghazi hearings just to discover the same drat thing each time, isn't going to call Snyder... quote:The Republican-led House Oversight and Government Reform Committee formally announced the hearing last week, calling two EPA officials and the new head of Michigan's Department of Environmental Quality, Keith Creagh, but Democrats on the committee have complained that Snyder, who was not invited, should have been called to explain mistakes that led to the problem himself. Oracle fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Feb 2, 2016 |
# ? Feb 2, 2016 19:19 |
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Welp, this is about the angriest I've been at politics since the 2014 SIC report on the CIA torture program. I wish I had some talent for crochet, because I would love to raise relief money for Flint selling little Rick Snyder voodoo dolls.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 21:58 |
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Congressional hearing on Flint Water is today. http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/flint-water-crisis/2016/02/03/flint-water-hearing-today-congress/79716622/ quote:This morning, the U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform committee will hold the first Congressional hearing in Washington on the Flint water crisis. Here’s what you need to know: Keith Creagh used to be the head of the Michigan Department of Natural Resources and is best known for green lighting mining operations in the UP, including allowing Graymont, a Canadian limestone company, to buy and lease over 11,000 acres in the UP to create a limestone quarry and violate the Washington Treaty of 1836 with the Native American tribes living in the area. He also allows logging on state land and received the Tuebor award from the Michigan Forest Products Council last fall. https://twitter.com/RepDanKildee/status/694855362541805574 HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Feb 3, 2016 |
# ? Feb 3, 2016 12:49 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-hpXb3Nn4 US Rep Dan Kildee is addressing the House Oversight Committee right now.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 15:35 |
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So, is Mr. Edwards blaming all of this on the EPA? Also, wont somebody please think of the children. E: I"m headed to school so I hope someone else is watching this. It looks like this is an attack on the EPA instead of all parties involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S-hpXb3Nn4 Wiccan Wasteland fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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I'm listening at work so haven't been able to pay as close attention as I would like. It sounds to me like the Republicans on the committee seem to be trying to stress that Snyder has "taken responsibility for the crisis" to try to mitigate some heat and also simultaneously shift blame to the Flint city council for voting to change the water source without mentioning that they didn't have the authority to decide what the new source would be. And yeah everyone is lambasting the EPA. And rightly so if they tried to cover up Miguel Del Toros findings but I have just recently started following this and don't know all the details from the EPA side. I've never heard Elijah Cummings speak before but he seems to be awesome. And props to Chaffetz also for calling on the US Marshalls to assist in serving a subpoena to Darnell Earley.
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Abisteen posted:I'm listening at work so haven't been able to pay as close attention as I would like. Cummings was quite good during Hillary's Benghazi hearing as well, but that's my only exposure to him I'm afraid.
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Abisteen posted:It sounds to me like the Republicans on the committee seem to be trying to stress that Snyder has "taken responsibility for the crisis" to try to mitigate some heat and also simultaneously shift blame to the Flint city council for voting to change the water source without mentioning that they didn't have the authority to decide what the new source would be. quote:And yeah everyone is lambasting the EPA. And rightly so if they tried to cover up Miguel Del Toros findings but I have just recently started following this and don't know all the details from the EPA side. quote:I've never heard Elijah Cummings speak before but he seems to be awesome. And props to Chaffetz also for calling on the US Marshalls to assist in serving a subpoena to Darnell Earley. Oracle fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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So the first round of hearings has concluded and there seems to be plenty of blame to go around.The Detroit News posted:Ranking Member Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, read a letter submitted by former Flint City Councilman Sheldon Neely, now a Democratic state representative. In that letter, Cummings put the fateful decision to use the Flint River as a water source until Karegnondi’s completion on the shoulders of [Flint Emergency Manager Ed] Kurtz. EPA got an earful as well: quote:Joel Beauvais, deputy assistant administrator for EPA’s Office of Water, faced questions about delays in the federal agency’s response to Flint’s situation. Rep. Paul Gosar questioned why EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy made her first trip to Flint this week – many months after her agency became aware of the city’s problems. quote:U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield, questioned Keith Creagh, director of the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, about his agency's response to federal officials. quote:In his testimony, the civil engineering professor stated Flint’s crisis occurred because of “institutional scientific misconduct perpetrated by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, primacy agencies and water utilities.” Oracle fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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http://nbc25news.com/news/local/report-clinton-sanders-to-hold-presidential-debate-in-flint This will be pretty cool
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Oracle posted:Heh. Bet if his wife or kid were in a car accident in D.C. and he were notified of it at 6PM he could figure out a way to make it by 9AM the next day. His lawyer wanted a week's notice to prepare 'if they really wanted to get at the truth.' You know it takes like 1 minute to punch that into a travel website to see that thats impossible (last flight out of detroit - 7pm, first flight gets in after 9am)
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 15:30 |
So, is there a decent chance that this, plus all of the other recent fuckups that local branches have caused, will be an impetus to completely reorganize the EPA into a more centralized agency?
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Regalingualius posted:So, is there a decent chance that this, plus all of the other recent fuckups that local branches have caused, will be an impetus to completely reorganize the EPA into a more centralized agency? That would cost money so no.
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# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:49 |
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So uh... Snyder lied about not knowing about the Legionella connection.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 04:36 |
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My belief is that the GOP took too long saying nothing, hoping it would just go away, so now shuffling Snyder to the sidelines and foisting all the blame on the EPA (even if some belongs there) isn't going to work because they said nothing for like 2 weeks while Snyder was getting hammered from all directions My questions are thus: 1) Does Snyder still end up being able to weasel his way out of this? 2) Is this going to bring a critical eye on the extremely lovely Emergency Manager scheme?
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 04:41 |
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Epic High Five posted:My belief is that the GOP took too long saying nothing, hoping it would just go away, so now shuffling Snyder to the sidelines and foisting all the blame on the EPA (even if some belongs there) isn't going to work because they said nothing for like 2 weeks while Snyder was getting hammered from all directions 1. Yes because there is a vast right wing conspiracy in America. 2. No as this only affects poors and minorities.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 08:35 |
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I feel like there's a crime against humanity in here somewhere.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 12:56 |
There's no way anyone except for MAYBE some Scooter Libby-esque lackey faces any repercussions from this.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 12:57 |
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Radish posted:There's no way anyone except for MAYBE some Scooter Libby-esque lackey faces any repercussions from this. I don't know about this. People in Michigan are pissed and the story has a ton of exposure. I wake up listening to NPR news summary type shows and there are multiple mentions of the crisis every day. Local businesses are conducting water drives and sending flatbed trucks of bottled water into the city. I have rarely seen this amount of attention on an issue like this and we shouldn't underestimate what that will translate to re: the fate of rick snyder.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 16:21 |
I really hope so since the brazen way that he just poisoned a minority majority area will set a pretty dangerous precedent if he gets off unpunished. Even losing his job is way too lenient.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 16:23 |
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Radish posted:I really hope so since the brazen way that he just poisoned a minority majority area will set a pretty dangerous precedent if he gets off unpunished. Even losing his job is way too lenient. This is what bugs me. Even if he loses his job either through recall or re-election, he'll still move on to an ultra cushy lobbying job. That's just a guarantee unless we see some real top down indictments. I just don't have hope for that.
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It might be just based on the testimony of one former inmate who worked as a kitchen trustee, but apparently the prisoners in Genesee County Jail (including pregnant women) were left in the dark when it came to the crisis.quote:Back in October, the Genesee County Health Department declared a public health emergency, telling the residents of Flint, Michigan to stop drinking the city’s tap water due to dangerously high levels of lead. Two months later, the mayor of Flint declared a state of emergency, saying the city’s pipes were still leaching lead. The National Guard ramped up the distribution of bottled water to residents in January, one year after state officials received bottles. Keep in mind that Snyder himself has refused to say whether even filtered water in Flint is at safe enough levels to drink yet.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 18:07 |
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Some people deserve to be killed for this.
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# ? Feb 5, 2016 19:29 |
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On the sidewalk in front of Snyder's $2 million Main Street Ann Arbor condo.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 16:09 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:On the sidewalk in front of Snyder's $2 million Main Street Ann Arbor condo. heh, that showed him
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Maybe this will too. Reports that Snyder will attempt to go out in public this afternoon for the Michigan vs Michigan State basketball game. http://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/14217/women_s_group_plans_to_fly_banner_saturday_over_ann_arbor_criticizing_snyder#.VrY7QUJVK1F http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor...ed7f775e03c30c8 HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 6, 2016 |
# ? Feb 6, 2016 19:31 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:On the sidewalk in front of Snyder's $2 million Main Street Ann Arbor condo. Too mild. Just paint "City-Poisoner" on his fence, in red.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 20:57 |
I wonder if he's not resigning because he knows that as long as he's still governor the political system will protect him.
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# ? Feb 6, 2016 21:22 |
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It's weird how this situation creates questions like 'Is hanging someone in effigy protected under the First Amendment?'
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# ? Feb 7, 2016 00:06 |
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BlackIronHeart posted:It's weird how this situation creates questions like 'Is hanging someone in effigy protected under the First Amendment?' Yes it is.
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# ? Feb 7, 2016 00:43 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I wonder if he's not resigning because he knows that as long as he's still governor the political system will protect him. Schuette on Duty said he has to get his own lawyer.
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# ? Feb 7, 2016 00:51 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I wonder if he's not resigning because he knows that as long as he's still governor the political system will protect him. Resigning would also require admitting that he did something wrong. That isn't exactly a thing Republicans are well known for.
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# ? Feb 7, 2016 05:03 |
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Why exactly would he resign? It's not like he's got much to gain from doing so. Hell, he'll probably be re-elected, how many voters are still gonna care about a town full of poor black people two years from now?
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# ? Feb 7, 2016 06:37 |