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Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Regarding that earlier post about the Flint City Council, that was just Earley trying to shift blame:

538 Article footnotes posted:

Earley has written that the switch to Flint River water was based on a Flint City Council vote. There is no evidence to suggest the City Council voted on the temporary water switch, though it did vote to join the pipeline, and two City Council members and then-Mayor Dayne Walling told me they did not make the decision to switch to river water. Either way, Earley was the one who could ultimately make that decision, and he signed the request to the state treasurer to do so.

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Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Hahahahaha. Oh man, this is just classic Snyder. If Blagovich went to jail for massive corruption, Snyder deserves the loving chair. At least Blago didn't kill anyone.

quote:

The governor is dispatching his fixer and confidant, Rich Baird, to Flint to help coordinate the state response and to reassure the city’s elected leaders of direct, daily contact with the governor’s office.

And who is Rich Baird? A seriously slimy motherfucker, that's who.

Electablog posted:

Baird has long been Snyder’s “right hand man”, enjoying a position in the governor’s Executive Office and listed as his “Transformation Manager”...

Baird has a list of scandals in Michigan that he is tied to. He was originally paid from a fund set up by Gov. Snyder called the New Energy to Reinvent and Diversify (NERD) Fund. Funding for the NERD Fund was never fully revealed before it was shut down by the governor under mounting criticism and evidence that donors were receiving special favors in return for their contributions. For example, CVS Caremark, the only known contributor, received a $60 million no-bid contract with the City of Detroit under Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr (a Snyder appointee) following their donation to the NERD Fund.

Baird was also one of the originators of the now infamous “Skunk Works” project, an off-the-books” team of people that were scheming to siphon education tax dollars into the bank accounts of private corporations using an illegal voucher program.

Additionally, Baird was also involved in an effort to secure business for Gov. Snyder’s cousin George Snyder to ensure he was protected from budget cuts in 2011. George Snyder runs DBI, a business furniture company with a contract with the state of Michigan and Baird intervened on his behalf to ensure that his contract was safe.

Baird was also once accused at one time of illegal lobbying.

And finally, there’s this:

quote:

Baird was also responsible for bringing in Kevyn Orr as Detroit’s Emergency Manager, well ahead of the time Detroit was even found to be in a financial emergency through the process outlined by our laws. When a lawsuit was filed, the judge in the case ordered Baird to produce the names of the people he had interviewed for the job and Baird claimed that Gov. Snyder had conferred “executive privilege” on him and cited Richard Nixon. That caused this hilarious response from Ingham County Circuit Judge William Collette:

“There’s not one (state) case anywhere that says the governor has an executive privilege,” the judge said.

Peter Ellsworth, a private attorney representing Baird, cited two federal cases involving executive privilege: the 1807 treason trial of Aaron Burr and former President Richard Nixon’s attempt to keep records related to Watergate scandal under wraps.

“No one in their right mind in the last few years has ever cited Richard Nixon for anything,” Collette said, later adding: “Nixon doesn’t stand for anything other than someone attempting to hide a crime.”
It’s astonishing that Gov. Snyder would turn to someone with Baird’s sordid history for such a critical position. Baird has extremely thin skin, particularly when it comes to dealing with women in power. He once threatened to sue then-Senate Democratic Leader Gretchen Whitmer and former Michigan AFL-CIO president Karla Swift for having the temerity to publicly criticize him.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

I think he and the EMs already made their grandkids drink it or some poo poo. Once.

Another article, from Rolling Stone, might be a bit more readable and with a clearer timeline and more facts.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Damonic posted:

I learned from the Maddow special that Flint doesn't have one school nurse, or grocery store... wtf
Keep in mind Flint is collared by several white-flight towns/cities/villages including Flint Township which is where Miller Rd a major retail district is located (and which doesn't use Flint city water), some quite nice (Grand Blanc, Flushing to a lesser extent). There's plenty of grocery stores in the area its not like an isolated community with nothing around it for miles. Still sucks to live in Flint proper especially if you don't have a car. They closed the last major grocery store in city limits (and it was on the outskirts) which was Meijers on Pierson Rd. last year just after Christmas and bulldozed it. That place was old enough I remember going there as a kid, it was where everyone did their major grocery shopping. Meijers is a Michigan chain that's like a Walmart or a Super Target before either were a thing. You can buy everything there from groceries to snow tires to clothing and furniture.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Rand alPaul posted:

I'm guessing someone will figure out they can blame this all on too-much Big Government, because there's an emergency manager who isn't accountable to anyone!
People are using it to suggest that only by privatizing water can you protect your health since government is incompetent, yes. Nothing new there the Republicans have trotted that old canard out for years (after they've done their level best to starve the beast and break the government).

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Not familiar with the term 'outer metro' or your area, sorry. Flint is a typical rust belt city that suffered from white flight in the 60s/70s and industrial flight in the 70s/80s/90s (after NAFTA). Its population has halved in 40 years from 200,000 to just under 100,000, and a distinct majority of those people left are black and poor. It is ringed by collar towns where a lot of those white folk fled to and still live that were small towns in their own right (Mt. Morris, Flushing, Burton, Grand Blanc, Davison etc). The one big industry in Flint was making cars and General Motors was the big player in town. Now where the factories stood is just a bunch of brown fields and acres upon acres of empty lot, lots of abandoned houses, vacant land etc.

Think Detroit on a smaller scale.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. There was at least one reader opinion in the printed USAToday issue I got the editorial from blaming the Democrats and all their horrible goverent spending that lead to this situation, so therefore it's all the Dummycrat's fault. :bahgawd:

There's also the underlying vein of "All the black Poors in Flint got accidentally genocide/eugenicided? Good." too.
A dire-hard Republican cousin of mine posted to this effect about the city council voting for it (they didn't, for the record: they voted to switch to the Port Huron pipeline when it was built not to switch to Flint River water. Detroit water's EM just got pissy he was going to lose income from Flint switching and decided to terminate their contract/up their fees (I forget which) to punish them for daring even thinking about going elsewhere).

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

hahahahaha its like cartoon levels of evil. Of COURSE he provided government workers with clean water to drink, who else is gonna have access to internal documents to whistleblow if they're disgruntled. I mean seriously, this is making cartoon level Captain Planet evil look like... the acts of reasonable capitalists. I just don't even know anymore.

rscott posted:

holy crap, what happened to all the Krogers and VGs and poo poo, there were like 3 in the city when I left
Grocery stores can't survive on food stamps alone. Also the suburban grocery stores were nicer and not in old cruddy buildings.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Epic High Five posted:

I live in District 5 but thankfully I live in Bloomington, IN where I've been here over 6 months now and I haven't met a single person who doesn't closely follow the water supply and have strong opinions on it. It's the strangest thing, but now I'm glad that if anybody is going to get poisoned from neglect it's not going to be here because there's probably hundreds of people doing home testing as a hobby. Lake Monroe is apparently an extremely good source and locals are very proud/protective of it
Yeah one of the good things about this story going national is everyone taking an uneasy look at their own water supplies and some folks finding out they're in a similar boat. Get mad, people. It means you're finally paying attention to poo poo that actually matters instead of who's winning American Idol or whatever the gently caress.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

The old adage 'there is always more and it is always worse' holds up...

quote:

In 2014, Ambrose was deposed in a civil lawsuit brought by retired Flint municipal workers against the state over severe cuts to their health care benefits. Attorney Alec Gibbs questioned Ambrose about the water decision (a year before Flint learned it was being poisoned).

“There was brief evaluation of whether the city would be better off to simply use the Flint River as its primary source of water over the long term,” Ambrose said. “That was determined not to be feasible.”

“Who determined it wasn’t feasible?” Gibbs asked.

“It was a collective decision of the emergency management team based on conversations with the MDEQ that indicated they would not be supportive of the use of the Flint River on a long-term basis as a primary source of water,” Ambrose answered.

“What was the reason they gave?” Gibbs asked.

“You’ll have to ask them,” Ambrose said.

How could the river that was rejected as Flint’s permanent water source in December 2012 suddenly become suitable for consumption a mere 16 months later?

And who actually made the disastrous choice to start using the previously rejected river as the city’s temporary water source?

Howard Croft, the former director of public works for Flint who resigned in November 2015, asserted more than four months ago in a videotaped interview with the ACLU of Michigan that the decision to use the dangerously corrosive river came directly from the Snyder administration.

In the interview, Croft said that the decision to use the river was a financial one, with a review that “went up through the state.”

“All the way to the governor’s office?” the ACLU of Michigan asked him.

“All the way to the governor’s office,” Croft replied....

In a letter obtained by the ACLU of Michigan (PDF), emergency manager Darnell Earley wrote to DWSD in March 2014:

“Thank you for the correspondence [...] which provides Flint with the option of continuing to purchase water from DWSD… The City of Flint has actively pursued using the Flint River as a temporary water source… There will be no need for Flint to continue purchasing water to serve its residents and businesses after April 17, 2014.”

Snyder did not mention this letter in the history of the Flint water crisis that he presented in his State of the State address last week....
So not only did the Flint board reject using the Flint River as a water supply, Snyder's initial appointed EM rejected it after consulting with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality because (duh) its the Flint loving River, dumping ground of toxic industrial waste for over a century.

So Snyder just appoints another EM, Earley, to do it. Then when he was caught out tried to say that the board's voting to switch to the Port Huron pipeline was actually the vote to use the Flint River until that switch could take place, and tried muddying the waters (hurr) further by saying Detroit was cutting them off when in actuality Detroit Water were told 'thanks but no thanks' by Earley, presumably under Snyder's (a known micro manager) direction.

I am seriously amazed noone's taken a pot shot at this guy yet.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Oh yeah, and here's the proof that the switch to Port Huron wasn't going to save Flint any money, anyway.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Oh hi FBI, glad you could finally show up to the party...

quote:

The office of U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade said Jan. 5 that it was assisting the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in a Flint drinking water investigation, but at that time, Balaya would not say whether the investigation was civil or criminal.

Balaya disclosed the involvement of the FBI and other agencies that investigate potential criminal wrongdoing late Monday when asked whether there were any concerns about the EPA leading the federal investigation, given the resignation of an EPA regional director over the Flint drinking water crisis and widespread public criticism of the EPA's conduct with respect to Flint.

The EPA's Office of Inspector General is an independent office within EPA that performs audits, evaluations, and investigations of EPA and its contractors to prevent and detect fraud, waste and abuse. The EPA's Criminal Investigation Division investigates potential criminal violations of federal environmental law.
So yeah, its totally going to be a criminal investigation.

Speaking of criminals...

quote:

a congressional staff member told the Free Press late Monday that former Flint Emergency Manager Darnell Earley has declined to testify.

The report that Earley would decline to testify came Monday night. On Tuesday morning, Gov. Rick Snyder's office sent out a release saying Earley, who has been serving as emergency manager for the Detroit Public Schools, had notified the governor of his intent to leave the position effective Feb. 19, 2016.

In the release, the governor did not mention Earley's decision not to testify, which came from a congressional staffer who spoke anonymously because the committee hasn't made Earley's decision public....

Earley was emergency manager in Flint in 2014 when the city switched its water supply from Lake Huron water to the Flint River as part of what was expected to be a temporary cost-cutting move.
You can run but you can't hide you little fucker.

Of course the Republican Congress which just loving LOOOVES to investigate everyone and their mother over the possibility of climate change being some kind of scam and can find the time to hold eight Benghazi hearings just to discover the same drat thing each time, isn't going to call Snyder...

quote:

The Republican-led House Oversight and Government Reform Committee formally announced the hearing last week, calling two EPA officials and the new head of Michigan's Department of Environmental Quality, Keith Creagh, but Democrats on the committee have complained that Snyder, who was not invited, should have been called to explain mistakes that led to the problem himself.

"At Wednesday’s hearing, we won’t hear from the governor, any of the emergency managers he appointed in Flint, or anyone else from the state who was involved in making decisions that led to this crisis," said U.S. Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the top ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee. "Having such a one-sided hearing undermines the credibility of the committee and subjects the committee to accusations of partisanship."

Oracle fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Feb 2, 2016

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Abisteen posted:

It sounds to me like the Republicans on the committee seem to be trying to stress that Snyder has "taken responsibility for the crisis" to try to mitigate some heat and also simultaneously shift blame to the Flint city council for voting to change the water source without mentioning that they didn't have the authority to decide what the new source would be.
Yep, this 'its the democratically-elected Democratic Flint City Council's fault' is the Republican marching orders on where to place blame and they've been pretty lockstep in following it, as usual. What they don't mention is yeah they voted to change the source: to Port Huron, not to the Flint River. And yeah it was strictly in an advisory role. They could've voted to use the water recently found on freakin Mars for all the power they had to enact it.

quote:

And yeah everyone is lambasting the EPA. And rightly so if they tried to cover up Miguel Del Toros findings but I have just recently started following this and don't know all the details from the EPA side.
The EPA deserves quite a bit of blame and that's my main concern with Democrats maybe wanting to not make their guys look bad since it was staffed with Dems or Dem appointees (iirc). So far they're claiming their hands were tied because they aren't responsible for issuing warnings that's the job of DHHS (Dept of Health and Human Services) and blaming DEQ for fighting against them for months while their lawyers tried to figure out what authority they did have.

quote:

I've never heard Elijah Cummings speak before but he seems to be awesome. And props to Chaffetz also for calling on the US Marshalls to assist in serving a subpoena to Darnell Earley.
Yeah Earley needs his rear end hauled in post haste. His lawyer said he just couldn't make it in time since he got the order to appear at 6PM Tuesday for 9AM Wednesday. Heh. Bet if his wife or kid were in a car accident in D.C. and he were notified of it at 6PM he could figure out a way to make it by 9AM the next day. His lawyer wanted a week's notice to prepare 'if they really wanted to get at the truth.'

Oracle fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Feb 3, 2016

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

So the first round of hearings has concluded and there seems to be plenty of blame to go around.

The Detroit News posted:

Ranking Member Elijah Cummings, D-Maryland, read a letter submitted by former Flint City Councilman Sheldon Neely, now a Democratic state representative. In that letter, Cummings put the fateful decision to use the Flint River as a water source until Karegnondi’s completion on the shoulders of [Flint Emergency Manager Ed] Kurtz.

“It was Mr. Kurtz who made the decision to use the Flint River as the primary source of drinking water for the City of Flint,” Cummings said as he referenced the letter. The failure of state and city officials to add corrosion controls to the river water is believed to have resulted in the lead contamination issues the city faces.

Cummings, referencing the letter, said Kurtz went “behind closed doors with DEQ” officials to make the decision.
And here I thought Earley was going to be left holding that bag.

EPA got an earful as well:

quote:

Joel Beauvais, deputy assistant administrator for EPA’s Office of Water, faced questions about delays in the federal agency’s response to Flint’s situation. Rep. Paul Gosar questioned why EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy made her first trip to Flint this week – many months after her agency became aware of the city’s problems.

“I find it despicable that Gina McCarthy, the administrator, shows up in Flint yesterday instead of going there immediately,” Gosar said.

Beauvais was also questioned on lengthy delays in EPA’s response to public document requests from Virginia Tech researcher Marc Edwards. Some of Edwards’s requests to the agency date back over a decade to lead issues in Washington D.C.
...
Michigan’s top environmental official is offering strong criticism of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in its handling of the Flint water crisis over the past two years.

Creagh submitted written testimony ahead of a congressional hearing Wednesday on the long-running problems in Flint with its drinking water. In the statement, obtained by The Detroit News, Creagh starts with an apology to the city’s residents but soon shifts into his comments on the EPA.

“From the time of the switch to the Flint River as the primary water source in 2014 until ... January 21, 2016 ... my observation is that the EPA did not display the sense of urgency that the situation demanded,” Creagh wrote in his testimony.

“This is underscored by the conversations started in February 2015 regarding implementation of the federal Lead and Copper Rule. Between February and the end of September 2015, there were multiple email exchanges and conference calls between the MDEQ and EPA. Yet when the parties were unable to come to consensus on its implementation in July 2015, the EPA failed to provide the legal opinion requested by the MDEQ until November 2015.”

Creagh also references a well-publicized in-house EPA memo, prepared in June 2015, by agency water expert Miguel Del Toral. That memo laid out the public health dangers that were likely in play due to the state’s failure to require corrosion controls in water drawn from the Flint River. EPA officials have been criticized for seemingly downplaying the memo and failing to alert the public to its ramifications regarding potential lead contamination in the drinking water supply.

An email highlighted in Creagh’s testimony shows one EPA employee giving DEQ officials advice on how to deny having seen the Del Toral memo, after the state had acquired it through a third party.

“I wanted to remind you that Miguel’s report had DEQ cc’d,” wrote the EPA official. “So if the Legislature or who ever (sic) might say you all were cc’d, you can truthfully respond that it was EPA’s request that the report not be sent to the cc’s. Consequently, you all never received the report from Miguel.”
...
Walters (Flint resident) said she began talking to water quality expert Miguel Del Toral and Jennifer Brooks at the EPA’s Midwest Region 5 after her complaints were dismissed by the city and state.

Walters said Del Toral was the “only one willing to address the problem.” Walters requested a copy of his June 2015 internal memo on Flint’s water and made it public “because people had a right to know,” she said.

“Mr. Del Toro was told by the (EPA) ethics attorney to forward all media requests, including those during his personal time,” Walters said. “He was also advised not to talk about Flint or to anyone from Flint.”
And the DEQ:

quote:

U.S. Rep. Brenda Lawrence, D-Southfield, questioned Keith Creagh, director of the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, about his agency's response to federal officials.

“With the law and your responsibility (at the state) what failed in enacting the law, and can you explain to me the response to EPA on February 26 (2015) advising the state of Michigan that there was lead and high levels of corrosion in Flint water?” Lawrence asked.

“It’s the question of the day, and that’s what many of the auditors and reviewers are looking at,” Creagh said.

Lawrence noted that the information went from the Environmental Protection Agency to the state, not the city of Flint.
...
In January, Creagh told The Detroit News that results from a six-month round of water sampling, which began after the city began drawing water from the Flint River in April 2014, should have led to immediate action at the start of the following year.

“When the first round of lead sampling came back (above acceptable levels) in January 2015, corrosion treatment was not implemented,” he wrote. “Regardless of the testing schedule allowed by the EPA rule, in hindsight, when the lead levels began to rise, corrosion treatment should have been required by the MDEQ.”

DEQ’s Office of Drinking Water and Municipal Assistance has been singled out for problematic decisions relating to the Lead and Copper Rule’s implementation. Creagh’s stated the office “relied on technical compliance instead of assuring safe drinking water.”
Mark Edwards hates them all:

quote:

In his testimony, the civil engineering professor stated Flint’s crisis occurred because of “institutional scientific misconduct perpetrated by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, primacy agencies and water utilities.”

“The very agencies paid to protect us not only failed to do so, but also revealed their callous indifference to the plight of our most vulnerable,” he stated. He added the events in Flint were inevitable due to a “lack of scientific integrity” and a lack of adequate checks and balances at the “highest levels” of the federal science and health agencies.
...
U.S. Rep. Tim Walberg, R-Tipton, asked why water utility owners and operators aren’t all following proper testing procedures and protocols for testing for lead in drinking water. Is it a “lack of clarity in federal regulations or lack of enforcement or both?” Walberg said.

Mark Edwards, a water quality expert with Virginia Tech University, said, “The only thing I can conclude is that they don’t care about children getting lead poisoning from drinking water.”

Pressed by Walberg, Edwards added, “You would have to ask them why they refuse to do their job.”

“Do you believe they’re violating the law?” Walberg asked.

“I believe that they’re not enforcing the law or enforcing their own policies,” Edwards said. “Had it not been for people completely outside the system, those people in Flint would still be drinking this water to this day. That is a fact.”
...
Virginia Tech’s Edwards, whose sampling work identified dangerous levels of lead in Flint's drinking water, asked the committee to "fix" the EPA.

“The agencies paid to protect us from lead in drinking water can get away with anything,” he said. “I am begging you … to fix the EPA’s Lead and Copper Rule and to fix the U.S. EPA.”
And all the people who couldn't be bothered to show up this time will likely be making an appearance very soon or facing a $1000 fine and up to a year in prison, including Darnell Earley (now confirmed) and Susan Hedman (the former Midwest regional administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency and one of the ones who blew off Mrs. Walters above).

Oracle fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 3, 2016

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Is this the same Bill Schuette who ran those commercials back in the 90s or whenever it was? 'Bill Schuette, On Duty'?
Yup. God, what an rear end.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

In a throwback to happier times, on this date in 1937 the Flint Sit-Down Strike ended in victory for the union organizers.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Possible evidence Snyder's administration forbid the release of some lead test results before his press conference.

quote:

Local health officials say the governor and the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality withheld lead testing results, including results from a Flint elementary school, while the agency discussed the best way to present the information to the public.

But, Snyder's office said Wednesday, Feb. 10, that information was shared quickly after testing and denied withholding any information

Emails obtained this week from the Genesee County Health Department through the Freedom of Information Act show growing frustration on the county's part as it attempted to obtain information from the DEQ.

"MDEQ explained that the Governor prohibited releasing all Genesee County lead results until after the press conference," wrote Jim Henry,Genesee County's environmental health supervisor.

Henry, in an interview Wednesday, said county officials didn't learn of the test results until they were distributed following a press conference.

"They should have alerted the schools and they didn't," Henry said.

Gov. Rick Snyder announced Oct. 8 during a press conference that three buildings within the Flint School District tested above the federal limits for lead in the drinking water, including results of more than six times the federally allowable level at Freeman Elementary School....
Following the announcement, a meeting was held Oct. 16 with DEQ officials, including then drinking water chief Liane Shekter Smith, and Henry, according to the emails.

According to an Oct. 18 email Henry wrote to county Health Officer Mark Valacak summarizing the meeting, DEQ apologized for not releasing school lead results in a timely manner and claimed they were ordered by Snyder to delay the release.

The governor's office, when asked Wednesday denied they ordered the DEQ to delay releasing any information, but said the start of testing and announcement were only six days apart.

"The email seems to reflect someone summarizing a discussion at a meeting, and we are unsure what actually was said there," Snyder Press Secretary Dave Murray said. "We do know that the testing began on Oct. 2, it took some time to test 13 buildings, action was taken immediately and the Governor held a press conference in Flint to discuss the results on Oct. 8. There was no delay during that time period....
However, the emails allege that the delays in test results didn't end there. Further testing was conducted at Freeman Elementary during the last week of October.

Henry emailed the DEQ's Laboratory Director George Krisztian on Nov. 3 and requested all lead testing results for water at Freeman Elementary. He added that his request should be treated as a FOIA request.

Krisztian declined the request, saying the samples collected from the school on Oct. 24 presented an "incomplete picture of the plumbing system" and that samples collected on Oct. 31 wouldn't be ready until Nov. 4, according to the emails.

"I am hoping to either have a conference call or a meeting in Flint with all the partners to review the results and discuss how we will present the information to the public," Krisztian wrote.

On Nov. 6, Henry again emailed Valacak, claiming he had talked with Krisztian and that Krisztian told him he had been instructed to withhold the information until the FOIA deadline of Dec. 2.

"MDEQ reminds me of a stubborn 2yr old child," Henry wrote. "Instead of doing what is right, they'll willfully take another spanking just to be defiant."

However, emails show county health officials didn't wait for the results before taking action.

Henry, in his Nov. 6 email, said he was directing county health staff to visit Flint schools, meet with administrators and ensure that water wasn't being consumed on the campuses in order to reduce the risk to students.

Flint Community Schools eventually released the results Nov. 9 in a press release after being informed of them by the DEQ.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

The Repo Man posted:

I think Snyder has Official Immunity in Michigan which means he can't be tried for this. I'm not really good with politics, so I'm not sure. Some of your smarter folk might be able to look it up though.

You talking about sovereign immunity?

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Snyder's testifying in front of Congress today. You can watch here.

Full text of his opening statement here.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

In actual, thread-related news:

Snyder's appointed task force has released its findings on who's the blame for the Water Crisis. Shockingly enough, its Snyder's Administration, with a slight slap at the EPA for being too timid and deferential to the state gov and WQ (in other words, for acting like Republicans expect them to).

Read the whole thing along with their recommendations here.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Oooh, Justice Dept better start hiring lawyers well-versed in RICO law. Between this, FIFA, and the Panama Papers, it looks they're going to have a busy foreseeable future.

Rawstory posted:

A federal racketeering lawsuit by hundreds of resident in Flint, Michigan , is alleging the city’s two-year water crisis was the result of an“intentional scheme” crafted by state officials and Michigan governor Rick Snyder to balance the city’s budget.

In a press conference announcing the 17-count racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations ( Rico ) complaint on Wednesday, attorneys said the state of Michigan ran Flint’s day-to-day operations through an emergency manager, who prioritized balancing the city’s budget through a cost-cutting measure: switching Flint’s water source in April 2014 from Lake Huron, which serviced the city for more than 50 years, to a local river....

The attorneys on Wednesday said they didn’t take filing a Rico lawsuit lightly.

“That’s why we waited,” said attorney Marc Bern. “We could’ve filed a lawsuit weeks, and even months ago. But we wanted to make sure that we were going to get every single person compensated. That we were going to get everybody what they deserve.”

He added: “The damages here can go on not only for a year or two, but for generations. The tenor of this entire area has been changed forever as a result of this scheme, and that’s why we worked hard to uncover the scheme.”

The attorneys asserted that the legal doctrine of governmental immunity won’t be an issue in the Rico case, as the numerous state officials have been named as defendants individually – not in their official capacity. The attorneys declined to estimate the possible financial damages associated with the lawsuit, but said repayment for water bills alone to Flint residents could exceed $50m. Appropriate damages determined by the court will be tripled, as stipulated under civil Rico statute, said Kern.

The lawsuit also requests a jury and seeks compensatory damages for future medical costs, legal fees, and treble damages for property damages, loss of business, and financial loss.

Several investigations by federal, state, and local agencies are ongoing and could potentially lead to criminal charges .

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Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

Zero One posted:

State charges to be announced tomorrow but don't look for any big fish.

Yup, they're gonna throw one poor schmuck from the plant under the bus and a few MDEQ engineers. Good job Bill Schutte I'm sure that'll help your upcoming gubinatorial campaign as being TOUGH ON CRIME you loving rear end.

Edited to add: the three stooges who don't have enough clout to avoid being thrown under the bus:

quote:

Warrants filed in court show Mike Glasgow was charged with tampering with evidence and willful neglect while Steven Busch and Michael Prysby are charged with misconduct, evidence tampering and violations of the Safe Water Drinking Act.

The three officials were not in court when the charges were read earlier in the day. They were named as:

Mike Glasgow, who ran the Flint water treatment plan. According to public records, he allegedly certified that water samples taken last year were from high-risk homes with lead pipes when they were actually from mostly low-risk homes.

Stephen Busch, a district supervisor for Michigan Department of Environmental Quality who oversaw the drinking water plant in Flint. In February 2015, he assured the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency that the city's water was being properly treated for corrosion and regularly tested with no unusual results. The state now admits that Flint's water was not being properly treated, and Busch is on paid leave.

Mike Prysby, a former engineer for MDEQ. He allegedly did not respond to a 2014 email from Glasgow that warned Flint was not ready to switch its water source to the Flint River. Making that switch without proper water treatment proved catastrophic. This week Prysby started a new job within DEQ.
You can apparently be thrown in jail for not answering an email. Don't think they're gonna be able to make that one stick.

Oracle fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Apr 20, 2016

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