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Which non-Power of the Daleks story would you like to see an episode found from?
This poll is closed.
Marco Polo 36 20.69%
The Myth Makers 10 5.75%
The Massacre of St. Bartholomew's Eve 45 25.86%
The Savages 2 1.15%
The Smugglers 2 1.15%
The Highlanders 45 25.86%
The Macra Terror 21 12.07%
Fury from the Deep 13 7.47%
Total: 174 votes
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Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Long post, because I have so little time for posting anymore, so I have to post all at once:

For Big Finish folks:

I got new headphones for Christmas, and that means I've been back on Big Finish!

Jago and Lightfoot has been pretty solid through season 1. Watch The Talons of Weng-Chiang to make sure Jago doesn't annoy you (I imagine he will annoy some people), and if he doesn't, you will find every single moment of the series a delight. It, Gallifrey and Unbound make for my top 3 recommendations so far in terms of the Big Finish lines aside from the main line (putting it ahead of the Eighth Doctor Adventures).

The main line trilogy (132-135) with Six and Jaime, well, not Jaime, really, but the fictionalized version of Jaime as concocted by Zoe was absolutely bonkers, and I can only recommend it if you like bizarre, Jasper Fforde-y interpretations of stuff. The Twilight Zone twist, which hits at the end of part 2 (and there's another in part 3) is going to justifiably be irritating to a lot of people (particularly after the long tease between Six and his last companion, and the way that concluded), but I think the acting and the sheer fun of it pays off.

I think I am at the point where I have to recommend avoiding Companion Chronicles with Leela. The frame story, which is depressingly Lidsteresque, has become more and more prominent until it basically eclipses the actual adventures of Leela and Four.

Solitaire, though, was a good one. (Very, very mild spoilers, but just in case) It's a shame the Celestial Toymaker has a lot of racist issues, because there's such a ton that could be done with him, and I'd love to see him return to the televised show. There's a lot about the concept that reminds me of stuff like Labyrinth, or Deep Space Nine's Move Along Home. There's so much room for trippy reality bending, and the weird sort of mixture of fantasy and science fiction that Doctor Who excels at.

Some thoughts on Torchwood (in case your interested in the perspective from a guy who watched it a jillion years after everyone else has had thoughts) :

I also watched all of Torchwood, God help me. Sheesh, you guys had me prepared for four seasons of Kreed of the Kromon. There's been some exaggeration here with regard to Torchwood. The fact of the matter is this:

Episode 1 reveals the show's major problem for the first two seasons: Owen Harper. Even if you ignore the unfortunate decision to have him (I know, I know, sorry if I'm reviving the argument) rape a couple of people as something you have to forget about, the show always wants him to be angry and misunderstood. He's a genius, but he's lashing out as his friends, in ways intentionally designed to turn them away from him, because he's deep, and has secrets, or something. Periodically, they reinvent the reason he's a jerk, and most of them are worse than the previous one. One of them involves him fawwing in wuuuuuuv with a woman for the first time (after knowing her for a couple of days) after living the life of Don Giovanni, and her leaving to do the thing she wants to do. You know there's a problem where the best episode focused on your character is written by Joseph Lidster (and the suicide-focused episode written by Lidster is probably the best he's ever written).

Season 1 is atrocious, though. Just... just a turd. Just awful out there. They decide, halfway through the season, that Gwen (who is really co-protagonist with Jack) is going to have an affair, for no reason with the above rear end in a top hat, and erase her boyfriend's memory after admitting to it. They can't yet figure what to do with Ianto or Toshiko, and the less said about Cyberwoman the episode with that infamous image, the better; it is worse than the image implies. The first season is garbage.

The second season suffers from Owen syndrome. This time there are maybe two characters who have a thing for him, and he is just as gross (it's where they keep trying to find a reason for him to be so insufferable, and they do not succeed in convincing us that those close to him would like him or that we should). The first season does finally start to get good toward the end, when Owen dies (but stays alive, in typical Doctor Who fashion), and at the end, when we begin to delve into Jack's past. In the end, the second season ends up having a middling second half, at least. [spoiler] Of all the unbelievable things the one I can't tolerate at all is how long Jack was buried; he would have been completely insane by the time they unearthed him[/i]

Seasons 3 and 4, though, probably speak better for Russell T. Davies than all of his Doctor Who work. Season 3 in particular is good. It is depressing, and you have to be ready for that, but I don't think it's needless misery porn. It is cynical regarding a lot of things about humanity, certainly, but the theme of it is that Jack Harkness made an awful mistake at a low point in his life, and in trying to atone for it, he faces moral conundrums which force him to make personal sacrifices. I do think his character arc, as compare with the people the season is trying to condemn, is compelling.

Season 4 would almost be better, except that it has two major problems:

1) Bill Pullman's character, and basically everything connected with him. It's no spoiler, as it is revealed right away, to say that his is a person who, without remorse, raped and murdered a teenager. The entire world, within the story, knows about this. The attempt at commentary in which he uses a publicist to attain a position of leadership and authority and builds followers is really heavy-handed and bad. It's a topic upon which it is easy to comment in fiction. There are abusers and predators who are made up to be heroes and have more defenders than they do detractors. Bojack Horseman, the cartoon which includes three kids in a trenchcoat pretending to be a grownup, has more sophisticated commentary on this phenomenon than season 4 of Torchwood.

2) It will come as no surprise to Doctor Who fans that Davies makes too many very direct Holocaust comparisons in his speculative fiction. It's better here than in Turn Left, but it still accomplishes the opposite of its goal by being both a cliche and an insensitive reference to the real world historical scars on our moral consciousness. The shame is that it would only have taken minor adjustments to address the same thing more effectively. It almost works as they do it. You want for it to work, for it to be a cynical look at the way those in power choose who live and who dies to continue comfortable lifestyles, as with season 3, but it's too Concentration Camp.

Aside from those two problems (which are big!), it's actually quite good. It grips you with its central mystery, and has Problem of the Week plots to keep things moving. Overall, its quality, honestly speaking, is often better than the Davies Doctor Who years.

tl;dr:

If you're going to watch Torchwood, start with season 3. A lot of what you need to know is in Doctor Who, and all you really need to know beyond that is that Jack recently underwent a terrible tragedy and left his second-in-command, Gwen, alone for awhile. The rest, frankly, is better ignored. Season 3 will be particularly good, and season 4 is at least good enough to watch.

Thank you for tuning in to Perspectives from Bicyclops: Always a Day Late and Buck Short. More to come whenever I can find the time to post again.

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Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Toxxupation posted:

ugh, why do you place garbage like "Midnight" next to brilliance like "Forest of the Dead"

-every person who has spent too much time watching Doctor Who, with maybe the titles reversed if they aren't on board with these two particular (right) examples

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Toxxupation posted:

i thought you were a bad person, who thought midnight, was good

I read your post wrong and confused Forest of the Dead for the season 8 episode. Both midnight and Forest of the Dead are good.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I even rewatched Midnight, in fact, to see if I was wrong, but it was still good...

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

What's weird about Toxx hating it is that part of what makes it good is its placement within the season. Like, in the middle of the fun, Donna and Doctor larking about and the Murray Gold level bombastic Russell T. Davies drama is this Twilight Zone episode, which makes it better if you're binge-watching.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Cabinet posted:

I tried and it was okay until Cyberwoman. Halfway through the episode I was way too embarrassed and turned it off. I think they took it off Netflix not long after and never went back.


It is very probably the worst episode (there are one or two others that are a toss up for it) and there is no excuse for it. It's just awful.

Toxxupation posted:

i ended up watching the eleventh hour again today, for like the tenth time now

that episode is so goddamn perfect, man gently caress

Also the finale from that season is really good

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Can anyone post the text of the drat Radio Times article, because every time I try to read it, it crashes before I can get beyond Moffat's quote.

The thing that's the worst about this is that the show won't come back until Christmas. :( Those kinds of weird delays are the surest ways to push it toward disinterest and eventual cancellation.

I don't know what to think about Chibnall... the first two seasons of Torchwood were terrible, but the second two were good, as I just posted about, and his actual Doctor Who record ranges from good to middling to awful. I like Dinosaurs on a Spaceship but I think some of what I like about it is, oddly, Moffat touch-up. I like both 42 and the Minotaur Hotel episode okay. Power of Three is middling, but some of that may be the season. Then there's the Silurian two-parter.

Maybe I should watch Broadchurch to instill some confidence. The best parts of Torchwood would not work in Doctor Who - both of its good seasons are cynical and the triumphs of the main cast are all holding-the-nose compromises. I don't know. It's a better choice than Gatiss, anyway.

I do think it's good for the show to get a major shake-up every once in awhile. Moffat just had one of his better seasons and maybe with the extra time, he can make something that's an appropriate bookend (because he's all about bookends) for season 5, which I think was his best work on the show. Nobody can write it forever.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Also, with Capaldi almost certainly leaving as well, if next season's companion only stays on for season 10, it's going to be a complete reset like it was after the Tennant years. Let's hope it isn't a bumpy start!

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

After The War posted:

There's probably something wrong with me, because the first thing I though when I saw "one new episode for at least the next year and half at least" was "Oh good, more people will have to turn to Big Finish and the classic series."

And with how our 2016 election is turning out, the Thatcher-era stories are about to feel real topical in the US. The Davison Reckoning is upon us. :unsmigghh:

On that note, how goes the snow-athon, Cobi? Each story brings you one closer to The Ribos Operation!

I want both Big Finish and the TV show, I'm greedy!

I've gotten to the first Big Finish trilogy features Turlough, Tegan and Nyssa. It's been fun, but Tegan's complaining is, as always, getting on my nerves.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Angela Christine posted:

I think they were just at a loss for how to make "adult" Doctor Who. Thought long and hard, and finally, "I know, I'll make one of the main characters an unrepentant rapist!"

I wrote about it earlier, but but it's that they decided that he was going to be off-putting in every way and that they would try to write a humanizing explanation as to why, at which they failed, repeatedly. And it pollutes all of the other characters, because Gwen's affair, which comes out of nowhere in the first place and is hard enough to swallow and like her, is with the rear end in a top hat they want us to like.

Noxville posted:

The showrunner doesn't have to write half the season's episodes you know. They don't have to write an epic multi-season metastory either.

This would be nice, actually.

If Moffat comes back to write, it would play to his strengths, too. He does well with strategically employed repetition, a few ideas threaded throughout the episode and a vague threat that holds them together, and a signature which is introduced at the beginning of the episode and and re-introduced at the end with a different meaning. He was maybe weaker at the bombastic, Murray Gold aspect of Doctor Who, which he can now divest to someone else.

It is very unfortunate that the person he's passing it to is Chibnall, though.

BSam posted:

Wahhh. Moffatt stole two season of my show!

This but "the BBC" and unironically. How do you have intellectual property that does this well and drop the ball so hard twice?!

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

I am halfway through Broadchuch's first season and considering this in tandem with his Doctor Who and Torchwood work, he is good at the following:

1) Depicting the depressing collapse of relationships that seem like they should be working.
2) Demonstrating community and friendship destroying paranoia and selfish opportunism that comes in the wake of tragedy.
3) Writing characters whose jobs dealing with the worst of humanity's aspects force them to disconnect from people.
4) Casting.

He is, however, not very good at whimsy. The happy parts of relationships, both romantic and friendly, feel forced when he writes them. He is better at making us doubt the heroes than making us feel sympathy for antagonists.

He seems like a bad fit for Doctor Who. I don't want my friendly egalitarian space wizard show to involve a conspiracy of lies and secrets between the protagonists, frequently based on their own selfishness, that tears their relationship apart. I don't think Chibnall will write it that way, which would be writing to his strengths. I think he will try to write Russell T. Davies episodes. I am a little worried the show won't be very good for awhile.

I do think he will do a great job of casting the Doctor, though (working with, of course, the vast committee of people who are involved in a casting decision like this).

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Personally, I feel Doctor Who could use a little less whimsy. I'm not asking for some stupid overly serious DC comics treatment here, but every time the music lifts and the leads smile at each other I feel the need to roll my eyes straight through the back of my skull.

I like the whimsy. And the last two seasons have had enough darkness in them.

Jerusalem posted:

Keep in mind that Broadchurch is the BEST thing he has ever done. And I don't mean that to drat the first season of Broadchurch, because I think it is excellent (and as noted, the casting is superb), but he has never done anything as good as that before or since, and that sadly includes the second season of Broadchurch.

It does seem that everything was just running on the right cylinders for him that first season. I think the subject matter just catered to his writing strengths. I just finished the first season and I can't imagine why anyone thought a second season would be a good idea. I'm tempted to just stop, and I almost never do that.

Chibnall might do better writing for film, actually. Something sort of limited and contained. In Torchwood and Doctor Who, his biggest flaws always came out when it seemed that he was trying to understand and engage with genre, and it seems like he's doing pale imitations of somebody else's style when he does. I haven't seen Law and Order: UK, but I can imagine how it might be similar there. Maybe I'll put a few episodes on in the background sometime while I'm doing something.

Maybe we'll be lucky and he'll focus his efforts on the showrunning and write one or two episodes a year, and employ a lot of talent for the rest of the teleplays.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004


I want to believe someone would leave Episodes for Doctor Who, but somehow I just don't think it is going to happen. :(

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

I will never give up on harping on about this - he doesn't use the device to "convince" them. He completely ignores them as people, their objections or complete lack of interest is irrelevant. He uses the device to FORCE them to act in the way he wants, to bypass them as people and turn them into slavering objects for his own pleasure. It's rape, pure and simple, and remains the most baffling and awful creative choice to introduce a character who we're eventually supposed to feel sympathy for and buy into his "redemption".

And the thing is, you're like "maybe I can try to ignore that, and it was a one-off joke about the character that went completely wrong somehow," but he remains an entitled, self-centered, blatantly cruel, pointlessly contration character. But all of the women, even those in happy monogamous relationships, want to have sex with him, because... uh, he's a brooding... fixer-upper...??

You know there's a problem with a character when Joseph Lidster is writing his best episode.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

CommonShore posted:

I'm on The Sea Devils in my run forward through classic doctor and I think I've figured out how to write a third doctor episode:

Doctor: This is a problem
Brigadier: Don't worry We'll take care of it
Doctor: The army is dumb.
Jo/Liz: Can I help?
Doctor: No, because Technobabble

Karate karate karate; it was the Master all along.


(Loving it.)

The soundtrack for the Sea Devils is like nails on a chalkboard, but it gets a free pass because of the mid sword-fight sandwich.


Jerusalem posted:


The Hothouse

I think I was just so happy that Orbis's amnesia plot was neatly swept under the rug for this that I was breathing a sigh of relief the whole time. You're right, though . Its most fun moments are the arguments between the Doctor and the villain and the audio equivalent of "dashing through the corridors."

The accent thing I've just gotten so used to at this point. I've more or less accepted that every other story is going to have some goofy fake American saying "Hyow do we stahp it, Doc-turr?" Half the time it's a Canadian ex-pat and you have to wonder what on earth they were trying to do. That's to say nothing of the zneaky German zscientizts or occasional French love interest.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Wheat Loaf posted:


Dalek Empire/stage play stuff


We have like the exact opposite opinion, somehow! Something that never happens in this thread. :v:

I think Dalek War just drones on and on - it's the sort of thing that could have been a single, two hour story and been an enjoyable trek, but they just keep adding twists and turns until the characters themselves seem bored of it. The Stageplays, on the other hand, are definitely goofy and dated, but they're such a fun look into the weird history of Doctor Who. They're not great stories on their own (and hoo boy, you're definitely right about the music!). They do an okay job of adapting them to audio, but you still often feel as though they're waiting for applause at the cool special effects. Still, if you read some of the summaries as to how they came to be, they're sort of like a long special features for a Pertwee era DVD. I particularly like the story Terrence Dicks tells about how he had to leave opening night early because his eight year old son was too afraid of the Daleks to stay.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:


Cyberman: We muzzzzzzt survive.
Doctor: Yes yes, you must survive..... but why?
Cyberman (confused): ........thizzz quezzztion is irrelevant.....


That is a really good exchange.

I'm in the middle of the Eighth Doctor's fourth season and really enjoying it. They actually do a pretty good job of reviving the Meddling Monk as a villain. I'm still not quite sure how I feel about Tamsin, but it usually does take me a few stories to warm up to a new companion.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

After The War posted:

I said it around the time someone in the thread finished Cyberman 2, but Big Finish finally broke my resolve and made me care about the Orion War thing with the Keepsake appendix attached to the disappointing Kingdom of Silver. With that out of the way, I ended up enjoying Cyberman 2 a lot.


Cyberman series 2 is good because they discard the fairly typical "is an android... a human?? Can it have... emotions?" plot and actually do something interesting with the differences between the humans, androids and Cybermen. I still think there's a little too much of the paranoia thing in parts 2 and 3 (the one with the insane space captain in particular was a five minute plot stretched into an hour), but the last part of it is actually quite good.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Astroman posted:

I liked Tamsin because she used her acting skills to good use.

That I definitely like! They don't beat you over the head with it, but it's present, and it's a part of her personality and how she interacts with the generalized TARDIS situation of being a fish out of water. I think I'd like her a lot better if she hadn't followed Lucie Miller, because there's a lot that's sort of Lucie 2.0 about her. It's not just that she calls the Doctor on his nonsense, complains constantly about being in the wrong place, and has a lot of fun, it's that she does those things, mostly, in the same way. It's also a minor pet peeve of mine that every companion of the Eighth Doctor leaves him by getting into a weird ideological fight with him. It was oddly out of character with his previous two companions, and while it at least works for Tamsin, it's getting toward "memory loss" levels of ubiquitous for him.

All minor complaints, though. All in all, the EDAs have been a lot of fun, and the manic goofiness that comes with most of them helps to break up the pace of the Main Range.

Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Feb 5, 2016

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

It's not the best of timing, launching a streaming service (if that is the plan), when one of the shows with international appeal is yet again on a season long hiatus. It also sort of builds appeal. I never would have gotten into Doctor Who if not for Netflix, and now I've bought three individual seasons on Amazon to keep up with it.

If they do launch an affordable stream that has access to classic stuff, I'd go for it in a heartbeat, though.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:


In all serious, the EDAs have been slightly disappointing to me. There have been several absolute stand-out, excellent stories that were just great, but the general level of quality has been really quite average. They do however have the benefit of a shorter, more accessible run-time and the very deliberate aping of the revival's season-arcs (nothing out of the ordinary for many shows, but something Classic Who rarely did) means that there is always a sense that they're building to something.

I'm about halfway through the 3rd season now and I like the general theme of "the Doctor has become detached from humanity and is getting back in touch thanks to Lucie's presence", but so far I haven't listened to a single story that made me go,'Wow, that was amazing" like something like Human Resources or Grand Theft Cosmos did. I'm looking forward to finishing up season 3 and 4 so I can finally move on to Dark Eyes and then Doom Coalition.

I think the advantage of the EDAs is that there are fewer stories which are complete duds or make you want to scream. You never really get Scherzo but you don't get Creed of the Kromon either, which is okay, because the Main Range still handles both of those extremes in terms of wild experimentation. It helps to break things up to have a change of pace.

Sometimes I do wish the Main Range were a little less focused on three story "seasons" (as they become eventually), though. Like, maybe 9 of the stories a year are in that format and four stand-alone. I get it, though. It probably really helps them when they're scheduling the recording sessions for their actors, it incentivizes buying multiple stories, etc. etc.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

Region-locks are bullshit :mad:

We've finally found it: the one thing the entire Doctor Who thread can completely agree on.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

Generally speaking (I'm sure many disagree!) Robot isn't considered particularly great, outside of Baker himself.

It has the clown suit scene in it, which was right around when I felt the Baker direction change begin and got me re-excited in the show (which is nothing against the Pertwee years, but after five years of James Bond chase scenes, I was ready for a change).

edit: five years of material, I should say, not five years of watching; I am too young to have been around for most of classic Who.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004


This, including that he's obviously breaking as he turns around and the awkward way he has to move to get into the prop TARDIS, is my kind of Doctor Who.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

100% yes, almost entirely due to McCoy's performance.

Also John Stahl and the whoever did the sound editing, but yeah it's a mediocre script at best.

edit: Ooh, it looks like Circular Time is between 50 and 100, which is one of my favorite Fifth Doctor audios.

Bicyclops fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 9, 2016

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

MrL_JaKiri posted:

No chart, but they're all listed on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Doctor_Who_serials

Which is coincidentally the most important page on the internet


Both are tabs that I have open altogether too frequently. The fact that the latter works with control-F and the date and year is very, very helpful.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:




  • Sheridan Smith sees a Wirrn. It's not actually within the parameters of the story, but in the behind-the-scenes interviews she talks giddily over how creepy the Wirrn were and how she deliberately didn't go back to look at pictures from The Ark in Space so she could maintain that horrific image in her head. When Nick Briggs actually shows her the picture, her reaction is adorable :3:



Haha. I don't think I heard that part of it, somehow. The writing for Lucie can be a little awkward at times (mostly whenever they want to do a large, season arc thing that feels a bit at odds with her character), but Sheridan Smith does a great job, with both the good material and the not-so-good material. It was also nice that they got Daniel Anthony a role, although, if I'm being honest, I don't think it was a very good one.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

CobiWann posted:

Look, I’ve gone from supporting Mitt Romney in 2012 to pulling for Bernie Sanders in 2016. I’m more confused than a drunk college girl at an Indigo Girls concert.

Which Doctor Who villain do you think Donald Trump is? I find it kind of hard to choose.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004


That was my first instinct but it feels like a huge insult to Nabil Shaban somehow.

I'm really behind on my Big Finish lately because I've been too lazy to put the short trips on my phone and figure them out during my commute. It doesn't help that the first few haven't impressed me. I was hoping the variety of times would give them a chance to tell some different kinds of stories, but so far they have mostly been snoozers.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Oh, Jubilee also which is good

It is difficult to go wrong with Robert Shearman, all of whose writing for Big Finish is in almost everyone's top 10 (and most of which is discounted now!).

It's kind of a shame he won't write for the television show, which, by his own admission, is due to Douglas Adams-like tendency to watch deadlines buzz by his ear (and/or his interest in non-TV projects).

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

MrL_JaKiri posted:

The Tenth Planet is set in the far future world of 1986!

(What's wrong with setting an episode in the near future, it's not like all the other stuff in the Doctor Who background happened either)

It just got erased by one of their other adventures, like all the times the earth has ended and they've had to leave by ark.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Mortanis posted:


God I really hope she's from the 80s and there's basically no chance that'll actually happen.

Me too, and they have said they wanted to go in "a different direction" with this companion, but they always say that. The 80s outfit will probably be due to some trip they're about to take in which the TARDIS accidentally lands in the 3080s :v:

Either way, I like the two minutes we've seen of her. Her way of questioning the reality of the Doctor Who Universe kind of cheerfully, encouraging the Doctor to laugh with her is not "adoring companion," but it's not the less than subtle "I'm not an adoring companion! I'm amazing! And talented!" either.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

Jessica Jones was so good that last year the only thing better than it was Fargo season 2, and that was goddamn close to a perfect season of television.

It's definitely not something I'd recommend your kid watching though, it gets into some extremely dark territory.

Yeah, I agree. I honestly didn't like Daredevil - it had very good fight choreography and is well cast but feels like a very, very drawn out version of Batman Begins with a couple of variations - but Jessica Jones was both incredible and not for children. I am worried it will lose its edge and drown in comic book universe bullshit in season 2 (the supercop plotline was the weakest link in season 1 and is a bad seed for the follow-up season, and I don't care how Jessica's world interacts with the other Marvel characters), but David Tennant's villain really made the first season good.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Toxxupation posted:

Alias only ran for something like twentysomething issues before being taken off of MAX imprint and folded into the 616. And that was a wildly successful, wholly original run. The reason they did was because even Bendis, the guy who invented the character, realized that JJ being this miseryfest of a hard-drinking mess with issues dealing with rape only could go so far, so they gave her an unequivocally Happy Ending and folded her into the main continuity before it just turned into a dour bore of How Are We Gonna poo poo On Jessica Jones This Month. And to be honest her subsequent relationship with and marriage to Luke Cage was some of the best material in her history, alongside her eventual decision to become Jewel/Huntress/Power Woman. More than most characters in the Marvel Universe, Jessica Jones changed, while still being her miserable rear end in a top hat self, and she did it within a tiny relative timeframe- barely a decade.

And considering they're reviving Alias again in the MU, but this time fully 616, I think they realize that JJ is a compelling character because she evolves and lives in the world around her, even if its against her own best wishes.

That could be possible. I haven't read the source material in this case. I just have a lot of pessimism about comic book universes. Even JJ's first season felt like it would have been a better story if she'd just been a straight up hardboiled detective without superpowers, I think, although I know I am very much in the minority there. I think both the writing and Ritter did a good job of portraying character development already, and if they continue down that route, it'll be good, although they may want to kick the noir aesthetic to the curb if that's the direction they're heading.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Toxxupation posted:

Nothing about Jones' backstory or hatred of superheroes in general makes any sense whatsoever if she doesn't have superpowers.

Speaking just about the TV show, because the Purple Man reference makes it seem you are addressing the source material:

Her backstory, with minor adjustments, makes perfect sense without superpowers. Her hatred of humanity's darker side (with a begrudging soft spot for humanity) is considerably more interesting than her hatred of superheroes. Kilgore's focus for pursuing her would have been more interesting if it were anything else about her, say, for example, that like every hardboiled hero, she is incredibly good at taking a vicious beating and simply cracking wise about it, something that would be compelling to someone like him.

She doesn't have to have a hatred of superheroes in general if the only person with superpowers in the story is the bad guy, and then she won't be running to explore every dead end plot point in the series (namely, all of the ones which are embroiled in the superhero universe).

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Barry the Sprout posted:

I quite liked Find and Replace, and the sequel. I thought Katy Manning's performance was outstanding in both of them. Paul Magrs might be the most marmite writer though.

Now I've just listened to Frozen Time today, and outside of Sylvester's performance, that's the most mediocre Big Finish production I've listened to.

Yeah, that one isn't nearly as bad as most of the other Iris Wildthyme stuff, although, I suppose, that isn't exactly a high bar. I do think it's okay, though. Some of it is letting Katy Manning show her range and some of it is having a grounded character to play against Iris (instead of Panda and the usual crew, who are there to try to help shove Iris's jokes down your throat when you have trouble swallowing them).

I admit that I have a soft spot for the irritating biographer character, though. He's a one-note joke, but the joke is basically "Guy in your MFA who wanted to write a memoir that was mostly about his friend," and I have enough experience with the real-world equivalent that I can't get enough of it.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

My Big Finish has gotten way lazier lately because my commute changed and putting them on my phone takes so much time. If Nick Briggs could just find a way to beam the stories into my brain, I'd be grateful.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

jivjov posted:

Do you not have the app? It's not quite direct to your brain...but it's way handier than managing files manually. I went from owning a dozen or so things to owning over 300 since the app released.


I didn't even know there was one! Thanks. I may have a new job that involves a lot more travel in a couple of weeks, and if it's one thing I have learned, it's never take a flight without the Doctor along.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

CobiWann posted:

I promise myself I wouldn't buy any more Tom Baker Big Finish until I finished his actual television run. Which mean I really need to sit down and watch The Face of Evil this weekend.

Face of Evil is some quality classic Who, in my opinion.

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Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Jerusalem posted:

Yeah my commute used to be a lot longer and I usually listened to Big Finish along the way, now I have to work in time to keep up with the audios.... and they just keep making more, and it's all so interesting!

It's like a full-time job, but unfortunately, it's one that you pay for rather than get paid for!

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