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Bernie Sanders will be the death of the moderate and acceptable wing of the Democratic party. Why does Senator Sanders seek to kill the essence of the Obama administration so rabidly?
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Jan 18, 2016 08:26
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My Imaginary GF posted:Bernie Sanders will be the death of the Democratic party. Bernie wants to deliver what Obama promised us on the campaign trail.
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Jan 18, 2016 08:27
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etalian posted:Bernie wants to deliver what Obama promised us on the campaign trail. Campaign Obama is not elected Obama!!!!
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Jan 18, 2016 08:28
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My Imaginary GF posted:Campaign Obama is not elected Obama!!!! I think the american people realize this which is why they are picking Bernie not Hillary despite Hillary having every possible political advantage in the race.
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Jan 18, 2016 08:29
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etalian posted:I think the american people realize this which is why they are picking Bernie not Hillary despite Hillary having every possible political advantage in the race. I think the American people realized this which is why they elected Barack Obama despite Hillary having every possible political advantage in their race.
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Jan 18, 2016 08:30
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I wonder who's the one person who voted for MOM
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Jan 18, 2016 08:31
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greatn posted:I wonder who's the one person who voted for MOM Obviously not that random Iowa farmer who was the only guy at a MOM event.
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Jan 18, 2016 08:32
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greatn posted:I wonder who's the one person who voted for MOM "Hello my name is Mr. Yellamo and I come from... someplace far away!"
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Jan 18, 2016 08:34
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free MIGF
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Jan 18, 2016 08:35
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Mayor Dave posted:Permaban MIGF same
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Jan 18, 2016 08:41
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Mayor Dave posted:free MIGF
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Jan 18, 2016 08:53
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Mayor Dave posted:free MIGF i'll pass
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Jan 18, 2016 08:55
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Not a Step posted:Nope. Disagree. I am ready for a return to psuedo-isolationist America that doesn't try to shape any more regimes. At most I'm willing to support airstrikes in support of other regional movements who are willing to invest their own ground forces. Maybe some special forces because theyve been proven to be effective on the ground. But no more political manipulation and shenanigans. Let the world have a few civil wars and the occasional genocide, if it must, so regional powers can get their poo poo together. America should stand by to take in refugees and skim the best talent from poverty stricken and war torn nations, same as we always have. Aside from that, I'm sick of ill planned military adventure after ill planned military adventure, and I bet I represent a decent amount of the millennial generation. gently caress American imperialism, lets go back to our culture and science encouraging the world to be more like us instead of our military. are there any goons that get pissy about insufficient patriotism? I like to think one can be patriotic for the principles this country was partly founded on, rather than its current state.
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Jan 18, 2016 09:00
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stephenfry posted:this can make sense. getting in early and applying economic sanctions is the way to go. iran has got a great treaty. It is spectacularly two faced of clinton to criticize the relationship at the moment. She had to criticize things such as Iran relations as way to show that she's a powerful war hawk who gets love letters from Kissinger.
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Jan 18, 2016 09:09
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Mayor Dave posted:free MIGF http://i.imgur.com/YifevOC.gifv
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Jan 18, 2016 09:39
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Mayor Dave posted:free MIGF Cool, that's my favorite Skynyrd song as well!
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Jan 18, 2016 09:45
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THE SIMPLE FAKT OF THE MATTER IS THAT MIGF IS SOMPLY THE BEST IMFORMED POSTER IN D AND D AND THUS IS A THREAT TO THE MODERATORS
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Jan 18, 2016 10:01
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Mendicant posted:THE SIMPLE FAKT OF THE MATTER IS THAT MIGF IS SOMPLY THE BEST IMFORMED POSTER IN D AND D AND THUS IS A THREAT TO THE MODERATORS IF I LEAVE HERE TO-MOHO-ROOOW WOULD YOU STILL REMEMBER ME? (Wawa Wawawa Wawow!)
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Jan 18, 2016 10:05
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So this is what SA is like during North America's Weird Night Hours: a kareoke bar full of drunk people. Or maybe just one, single, drunk person. ALLLLLL BBYYYYYYY MYSELLLLLLLLLLLF don't wanna be ALLLLLL BBYYYYYYY MYSELLLLLLLLLLLF ANYMORRRRRRRE / 
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Jan 18, 2016 10:16
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My Imaginary GF posted:Bernie Sanders will be the death of the moderate and acceptable wing of the Democratic party. Sanders v Trump: reluctantly choosing a demotion to typical European democracy and irrelevance over the prospect of nuclear winter And to that to the guy celebrating a return to isolationism, at this point much of our economy is based on intervention and world hegemony. We need to return more of that profit to the shareholder (citizens) instead of funneling it to multinationals, not give up what strength we have. Let me put it this way, colonialism has a proven track record but only when the aggressor is the strongest power by a factor of ten as we are now (Spain and Britain in certain eras come to mind). Isolationism has an awful track record even among impressive countries. Before you try to make an economic argument, and I'd be glad to see a good one, I'm an econ major. Current models do not account for the possibility of bullying, tribute, vassal states, etc. And yes, I'm a monster, but at least I'm a monster for my fellow citizens.
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Jan 18, 2016 10:23
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Combed Thunderclap posted:So this is what SA is like during North America's Weird Night Hours: a kareoke bar full of drunk people. CAUSE I'M AS FREE AS A MIGF NOW AND THIS MIGF YOU CANNOT CHAY-YAY-AY-YANGE!
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Jan 18, 2016 10:30
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My Imaginary GF posted:Bernie Sanders will be the death of the moderate and acceptable wing of the Democratic party. Bernie is to Obama what Obama is to George W. Bush.
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Jan 18, 2016 10:36
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Vote for Hillary Clinton if you think Obama was too hard on Wall Street and too easy on drone striking people.
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Jan 18, 2016 10:43
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Vox Nihili posted:Bernie is to Obama what Obama is to George W. Bush. That's really stretching it.
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Jan 18, 2016 11:00
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In 2008 I was 13 with stupid teenage impulses, so I could not vote. In 2012 I was a month shy of 18 so I still could not vote. In 2014 I volunteered for Michaud, was very good at my job, and voted. In 2016 I shall again volunteer, and perhaps meet and impress Bernie Sanders, and vote.
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Jan 18, 2016 11:10
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Jewel Repetition posted:That's really stretching it. You're right, that really only applies to foreign policy, trade policy, and economic policy.
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Jan 18, 2016 11:52
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https://twitter.com/Seinfeld2000/status/688927020860977152
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Not a Step posted:Nope. Disagree. I am ready for a return to psuedo-isolationist America that doesn't try to shape any more regimes. At most I'm willing to support airstrikes in support of other regional movements who are willing to invest their own ground forces. Maybe some special forces because theyve been proven to be effective on the ground. But no more political manipulation and shenanigans. Let the world have a few civil wars and the occasional genocide, if it must, so regional powers can get their poo poo together. America should stand by to take in refugees and skim the best talent from poverty stricken and war torn nations, same as we always have. Aside from that, I'm sick of ill planned military adventure after ill planned military adventure, and I bet I represent a decent amount of the millennial generation. gently caress American imperialism, lets go back to our culture and science encouraging the world to be more like us instead of our military. This isn't actually pseudo-interventionist anything, what you've described is actually interventionist and an excellent example of damned if you do /damned if you don't nature of foreign affairs. While I fervently disagree with the notion of letting a few atrocities happen here and there to keep things strictly in the hands of local powers, what you've largely described in regards to airstrikes and support without regime building is what has been happening largely under an Obama (and therefore half Clinton) administration. What you've described in its fullest last happened under the Bush Administration.  indirectly supported regime change in Libya by being America's Head Diplomat while the country pushed for a no-fly zone. We did nothing to help rebuild the country afterwards, and now that whole thing is a Grade A Clusterfuck and Hillary gets blamed for *not* doing anything. Yet if she did anything, then Obama/HRC would be blamed for getting the country into another quagmire, and they will be blamed for doing anything at all. America generally has been pursing a sustainable war campaign versus ISIL (which I support), and they are also pushed for not doing anything hard enough.We've tried regime change, that loving sucks but we realized that blowing up the bad guys is something we're pretty drat good at. There needs to be an effective overlap, which is what's happening now in Syria / Iraq now IMO but it doesn't stop her or anybody else from getting flack over it. Again, things are not black and white, bad or good. It's also okay, nobody is questioning insufficient patriotism. It's a debate, not a series of personal attacks. stephenfry posted:this can make sense. getting in early and applying economic sanctions is the way to go. iran has got a great treaty. It is spectacularly two faced of clinton to criticize the relationship at the moment. Iran broke treaty obligations with missile launch tests. Like she said, we've had one good day in a sea of lovely ones. You can't just let them have everything because they listened to 90% of what you said, especially when we are talking about the details of an actual, very detailed treaty brokered over compromise and hard work.
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Jan 18, 2016 14:13
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My Imaginary GF posted:Bernie Sanders will be the death of the moderate and acceptable wing of the Democratic party. We can only hope!
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Oiled and Ready posted:Before you try to make an economic argument, and I'd be glad to see a good one, I'm an econ major. Current models do not account for the possibility of bullying, tribute, vassal states, etc. And yes, I'm a monster, but at least I'm a monster for my fellow citizens. oh man, an undergraduate econ major playing devil's advocate, everybody hold on to your poo poo!
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i got an economic argument for ya; eat my gently caress
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Jan 18, 2016 14:56
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CornflakeS.Pecially posted:We can only hope! Being a moderate is a good thing in America, Cornflake! Being a moralist demagogue is the path to madness.
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Has anyone come up with a proper word to describe a vote for the Iraq occupation? Bernie uses "mistake" a lot, but that seems way to neutral to me. "Blunder" is a little better perhaps, but it also sounds too much like "party foul." I'm tired of an egregious moral failure being whitewashed as a strategic error.
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Jan 18, 2016 15:22
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CornflakeS.Pecially posted:Has anyone come up with a proper word to describe a vote for the Iraq occupation? Bernie uses "mistake" a lot, but that seems way to neutral to me. "Blunder" is a little better perhaps, but it also sounds too much like "party foul." 'A naughty aughties SNAFU of FUBAR preportions'
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My Imaginary GF posted:Being a moderate is a good thing in America, Cornflake! Being a moralist demagogue is the path to madness. to be a moderate in america is to be a devil wearing the skin of a man
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CornflakeS.Pecially posted:Has anyone come up with a proper word to describe a vote for the Iraq occupation? Bernie uses "mistake" a lot, but that seems way to neutral to me. "Blunder" is a little better perhaps, but it also sounds too much like "party foul." I like to think in private Bernie refers to it as "a colossal gently caress up rivaled by the Vietnam War".
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Jan 18, 2016 15:34
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He's used phrases like, "biggest foreign policy blunder after world war 2"
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rscott posted:He's used phrases like, "biggest foreign policy blunder after world war 2" Is Bernie Sanders calling WW2 a foreign policy blunder?
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