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Yoshifan823 posted:This cancer fraud thing on Dateline I'm watching on NBC while waiting for the debate is yet another thing to add to Michigan's "poo poo state resume". They're trying for the crown that Florida currently holds. Governor Snyder is pretty much a piece of poo poo especially if you followed the whole Detroit bankruptcy process.
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Subterfrugal posted:"I am excited to rest on Obama's laurels." - Hillary Clinton The real Hillary campaign motto is business as usual
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badatom posted:She mistakenly installed the RomneyBot 2.1 patch. Much like iOS Hillary gets worse with each patch
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Pyzza Rouge posted:a single goldman sachs employee in the crowd He was stopping by to drop off Hillary's monthly payment.
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Logikv9 posted:why do you hate obama bernie???? -  is running for office not Obama
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Not a Step posted:Hey, I wonder which President is responsible for repealing Glass-Steagall, necessitating Dodd-Frank a decade later? Dodd-Frank ended up being a joke in terms of punishing the big wall street banks
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Logikv9 posted:it's a loving speaker fee they pay for her to speak and she speaks Actually it's about getting access to a decision maker in DC.
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but but Obama did it too.
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Not a Step posted:MOM jumps in, Sanders steals the momentum Also in the current ACA you have millions of americans without coverage and even people who have coverage have high deductibles/copays for medical care.
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Yoshifan823 posted:yeah, he's too busy curing cancer. he's too busy trolling Hillary
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Bernie does better with focus groups since even though Clinton is a more polished debater, she can't sell real heart or authenticity on the issues like Bernie. Her pitch is basically business as usual, while Bernie has really vision and gusty policy proposals. Hillary is a basically a old tired out company that doesn't have vision, strategy or attract people enthusiastic about the core message. She also has no brand image of her own, she talked so much about Obama did this and Obama did that. What did you do Hillary, what decisions and policy are you accountable for in government besides the Libyan foreign policy train wreck?
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Hillary is the patron saint for people who choke in contested elections.
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Combed Thunderclap posted:It's closer than expected, in that HRC hasn't already clinched it, but nationally she's up by 25 freaking points in the primary. That was single WSJ poll which only included same vague criteria for committed voters. Let's look at the overall trending for the race on the national level: 
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Jan 18, 2016 05:06
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Puppy Galaxy posted:Seriously If anything it's a easier race this time around since the field was cleared from competition. In the last failed primary bid she had more competition from within the party.
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Logikv9 posted:actually curious, can you throw me a link to that? i'm using this and this and they don't show that I had graph dyslexia and posted the Iowa polls. So many graphs on that page
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Logikv9 posted:obama is a god-tier candidate and campaigner, and the fact that she still put up a legitimate fight in the 2008 primaries shows that she isn't exactly a lightweight She had every paper advantage in the book such as recognition, endorsements, experience brag, political connections and still lost to Obama. A good amount is how HRC has crippling personality flaws such as surrounding herself with Yes men and also how she lashes out at people when things don't go her way.
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He changed the Flint water supply over to save money, even though the state EPA recommended against it.
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This forum is too ashamed to even admit to giving money to Hillary or start a ActBlue group I gave her $3 since I enjoy reading panicked angry emails.
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Logikv9 posted:agreed she had trash surrogates and a disorganized campaign. yet she was still competitive versus obama. it is really difficult to describe how loving good obama was in 2008. She still has trash surrogates she can't control like David Brock. Also the temerity of thinking she could get away with the UHC attack on Bernie by saying his plan would cancel coverage for Americans. Even David Axelrod said it was a incredibility dishonest attack on Bernie.
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Jan 18, 2016 05:20
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Logikv9 posted:bernie isn't polling well enough in enough states for his angry supporters to mean too much. although i admit their political activity would be higher than a normal democrat, they are still a minority. it's an interesting thing to think about, though. i need to do some research on this. 
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Jan 18, 2016 05:23
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Logikv9 posted:agreed david brock said stupid poo poo, but then again so do bernie's staffers (complaining about foreign policy focus and then seeming insensitive before a debate, for example) David Brock's screwup gave Bernie's campaign 4 million dollars and generated more interest in Bernie's campaign. Most of the Bernie campaign gaffes and screwups didn't generate a similar win for the Hillary campaign.
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Hillary also seems defensive in terms of policy proposals. Instead of talking about new ideas she emphasizes business as usual or attacks Bernie's proposal through her cowardly system of political surrogates. She has no ideas or vision worth pitching to the american people.
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THE BOMBINATRIX posted:Honestly, why do people give a poo poo about Killer Mike? Because he's one hell of a public speaker and also a community activist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmtAsnS42_0
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Joementum posted:No. I think it's a real conflict of interest here. She's mad that Bernie gave her hubby lots of spankings in congressional hearings on the economy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJaW32ZTyKE
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The Hillary campaign was whining that having fewer polls is one reason why she is not doing well this month.
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hobotrashcanfires posted:That said, I like Bernie but he is a bit weak on foreign policy..but he's not Stupid America about it, at least. Hell, isn't Hillary a Henry Kissinger fan? Foreign policy is not his strong point, but neither is it Hillary's, even if it wins her the polls because she sings the "right" notes. 
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sent out a nice email this night: I think it was a self inflicted test of strength Hillary
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Lyapunov Unstable posted:I missed it what happened in 140 characters exactly Bernie came he saw he conquered
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When Bill Clinton was running for his first presidential election had this sign at the main campaign HQ in Little Rockquote:1. Change vs. more of the same
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Logikv9 posted:Hillary is largely disliked because of her long history dealing with the Republican Party. Bernie Sanders, for most of his career, has been largely on the sidelines and not any sort of "enemy" outside of the ideological scene to Republicans. You know the hate machine will be ramped up to high gear if Bernie gets the nom, and the reason that they didn't exactly poo poo all over him outside the generic "he's a SOCIALIST" comment during the Republican debates is because they don't take him as a serious threat at the moment. As for your predictions of a larger progressive movement, I can't prove you wrong but you can't prove yourself right. I personally believe it to be highly unlikely due to the increased antagonism from the Republicans and a serious segment of the population, and a possible lack of progress in Congress due to no-compromise positions. Bernie is hated by establishment democrats such as Barney Frank and is not popular with Wall Street.
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Not a Step posted:Re: Foreign policy, I'm willing to bet a significant portion of potential Democrat voters no longer give a poo poo about foreign policy. While I may be more extreme than others in feeling like we should maybe let them shoot each other until they work out who is in charge and only interfere to take in refugees, I'm sure many other Americans are sick of endless decades of being involved in the endless morass of the Middle East and just want out. Hillary's competence with foreign policy may not count for as much as she might hope, and Bernie's general disinterest in affairs outside of the US borders might actually be a positive amongst some (me). Voters see the following issues as the main ones, economy/jobs(1st), healthcare(2nd) and finally climate change(3rd).
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Logikv9 posted:Why does Barney Frank hate him? From a quick search I found this, is that it? The Wall Street thing... I mean, yeah. He bashed Bernie using typical Clinton surrogate scare tactics and talking points: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/why-progressives-shouldnt-support-bernie-120484' This a good article on Bernie's early years as a congressman: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-populist-prophet quote:Some of his colleagues returned the favor. Joe Moakley, a Massachusetts Democrat who was the chairman of the influential House Rules Committee, told the A.P. reporter, “He screams and hollers, but he is all alone.” Another Democrat from the Massachusetts delegation, Barney Frank, was even more blunt. “Bernie alienates his natural allies,” he said. “His holier-than-thou attitude—saying, in a very loud voice, he is smarter than everyone else and purer than everyone else—really undercuts his effectiveness.” barney Frank took at job with a Wall Street bank after leaving office so maybe Bernie's attitude was justified
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My Imaginary GF posted:Bernie Sanders will be the death of the Democratic party. Bernie wants to deliver what Obama promised us on the campaign trail.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Campaign Obama is not elected Obama!!!! I think the american people realize this which is why they are picking Bernie not Hillary despite Hillary having every possible political advantage in the race.
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greatn posted:I wonder who's the one person who voted for MOM Obviously not that random Iowa farmer who was the only guy at a MOM event.
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stephenfry posted:this can make sense. getting in early and applying economic sanctions is the way to go. iran has got a great treaty. It is spectacularly two faced of clinton to criticize the relationship at the moment. She had to criticize things such as Iran relations as way to show that she's a powerful war hawk who gets love letters from Kissinger.
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