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Killed a Girl in 96
Jun 15, 2001

DON'T STOP CAN'T STOP
sorry that was harsh. sorry.

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Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Tristen is my fiancé, she is Filipino and I am white as the driven snowden. Her uncle is Trinidadian. Who got banned for account sharing?

Honest question; what should crowd funding be used for?

for when a bunch of people want something unusual and decide to pool their resources to get it made.

not to beg for money in exchange for nothing

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Tristen is my fiancé, she is Filipino and I am white as the driven snowden. Her uncle is Trinidadian. Who got banned for account sharing?

Honest question; what should crowd funding be used for?

Im glad you #nation allows #trans relationships so you can gently caress youare trans husband

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

Killed a Girl in 96 posted:

it should be used for paying someone to break your kneecaps

Lol the licensing and legal fees for your proposed venture will hobble you if you aren't outright crippled.

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Lol the licensing and legal fees for your proposed venture will hobble you if you aren't outright crippled.

your wife is ugly and your business is going to #fail lol


( just liek you youare a failure lololololololololo
]

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Molothecat
Jul 25, 2007

Wrath, hate, pain, and death!

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Lol the licensing and legal fees for your proposed venture will hobble you if you aren't outright crippled.

beggars shouldn't tell jokes

know your station

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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there was probably a better forum to post this in than gbs

Killed a Girl in 96
Jun 15, 2001

DON'T STOP CAN'T STOP

Fojar38 posted:

there was probably a better forum to post this in than gbs

COUPONS FREEBIES AND GREAT DEALS!!!

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"
Eh, you guys are bums but your feedback is useful and more coherent than you try and make it look

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Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
lol the guy begging for money calls other people bums

Killed a Girl in 96
Jun 15, 2001

DON'T STOP CAN'T STOP
you're kinda nice im sorry i was rude but dont come into MY HOUSe and START BEGGINf for CaSH

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Eh, you guys are bums but your feedback is useful and more coherent than you try and make it look

Do you gently caress your #trans #"wife" in the bum? {That is the "#British" word for BUTT!!!

www
Aug 4, 2010

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Eh, you guys are bums but your feedback is useful and more coherent than you try and make it look

somuch_gravy
Oct 25, 2014

this place is good and not bad
can you post the indiegogo you have set up to pay ur rent and the gofundme you have going to pay for your wedding? just wanna do a little more research about you b4 I donate thx :)

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"
I had no illusions about posting in GBS. If I can't answer your criticisms, then we should probably all agree I shouldn't beg on the internet. And poo poo if you guys hadn't shot me down then I'd be set for franchising across the country.

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

I had no illusions about posting in GBS. If I can't answer your criticisms, then we should probably all agree I shouldn't beg on the internet. And poo poo if you guys hadn't shot me down then I'd be set for franchising across the country.

youare bad

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

somuch_gravy posted:

can you post the indiegogo you have set up to pay ur rent and the gofundme you have going to pay for your wedding? just wanna do a little more research about you b4 I donate thx :)

Indiegogo we didn't use because we didn't like the idea of keeping people's money if we didn't meet our goal. We didn't like how much more beggarly "as much as we can get" felt.

We've mostly paid for the wedding already and this kickstarter is our first foray into the world of not just running our business off personal savings and profit from sales.

somuch_gravy
Oct 25, 2014

this place is good and not bad
does/did kensington have a heroin problem at one point? :confused:
Ive never been to toronto kensington bt have to assume its like the kenzo near me

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

somuch_gravy posted:

does/did kensington have a heroin problem at one point? :confused:
Ive never been to toronto kensington bt have to assume its like the kenzo near me

Only half wrong. Heroins just not quite as big here. Were hoping the new weed dispensary next door funnels stoners in who are craving deep fried fun.

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Only half wrong. Heroins just not quite as big here. Were hoping the new weed dispensary next door funnels stoners in who are craving deep fried fun.

I hope you get #AIDS from sharing a #heroine needles @Doctor Tommty John

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

social media guru posted:

I hope you get #AIDS from sharing a #heroine needles @Doctor Tommty John

I enjoy GBS for being GBS and have for years but I can't say I'm too plussed by whatever this thing you're doing is

somuch_gravy
Oct 25, 2014

this place is good and not bad
right on. GL w/ everything

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

I enjoy GBS for being GBS and have for years but I can't say I'm too plussed by whatever this thing you're doing is

youare "#wife is not too #plussed either because she is trans and doesnt bhave a #plussy HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

social media guru posted:

youare "#wife is not too #plussed either because she is trans and doesnt bhave a #plussy HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I get it. Sorry that one kinda went over my head what with all the idiocy and all

GolfHole
Feb 26, 2004

oh hey i think i saw you at riotfest or something

edit: maybe it was the winter fair i dont know i cant remember

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I get it. Sorry that one kinda went over my head what with all the idiocy and all

you aRE bad

bradzilla
Oct 15, 2004

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Only half wrong. Heroins just not quite as big here. Were hoping the new weed dispensary next door funnels stoners in who are craving deep fried fun.

Smoking isn't allowed on the premises of any weed store so unless they're already stoned you can throw that idea out the window, hth

Crash_N_Burn
Apr 19, 2014

dipple posted:

I was skeptical until I scrolled down and saw a Vienna sausage on a stick with a cube of cheese.

The food canada deserves

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Dr. Tommy John posted:

I had no illusions about posting in GBS. If I can't answer your criticisms, then we should probably all agree I shouldn't beg on the internet. And poo poo if you guys hadn't shot me down then I'd be set for franchising across the country.

Lol you didnt anticipate and have an answer for the criticism "why should strangers give you money"

That's some primo millenial narcissism right there

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

Mange Mite posted:

Lol you didnt anticipate and have an answer for the criticism "why should strangers give you money"

That's some primo millenial narcissism right there

Strangers can give us money if they read our story and our mission and want to support it, and a solid number from both these forums and outside them have done just that.

No one should feel guilted into giving us money because our lot in life is bad or not, that's really not how kickstarter is meant to work.

satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009

Dr. Tommy John posted:

Strangers can give us money if they read our story and our mission and want to support it, and a solid number from both these forums and outside them have done just that.

No one should feel guilted into giving us money because our lot in life is bad or not, that's really not how kickstarter is meant to work.

Go gently caress yourself, even beggars on the streets will give you a reason they need money. You are a spoiled brat asking for free money so you can realize your dream without the downsides like actual commitment.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Op, I hope this project ruins not only your relationship and your credit but also your dick and balls as well.

Big Bowie Bonanza
Dec 30, 2007

please tell me where i can date this cute boy

Mange Mite posted:

Op, I hope this project ruins not only your relationship and your credit but also your dick and balls as well.

whoa please update us on the dick and balls situation so i can cum later

social media guru
Jan 18, 2016

by Cowcaster

Mange Mite posted:

Op, I hope this project ruins not only your relationship and your credit but also your dick and balls as well.

and his #trans husbands dick and balls aswell #MCM

Blazing Zero
Sep 7, 2012

*sigh* sure. it's a weed joke
itt: a lot of people angry about internet panhandling

Blazing Zero
Sep 7, 2012

*sigh* sure. it's a weed joke
listen, ill gave a no name game dev hundreds of dollars for a hit of the vidja, but this guy? gently caress him lmbo

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

satanic splash-back posted:

Go gently caress yourself, even beggars on the streets will give you a reason they need money. You are a spoiled brat asking for free money so you can realize your dream without the downsides like actual commitment.

Here's a good article about digital panhandling as it pertains to music. But really substitute the word "band" with "restaurant" or "honeymoon" or "coke habit" and it rings the same.

http://www.metalsucks.net/2015/12/02/digital-panhandling-embarrassing-dumb/

quote:

It seems like every week brings a new announcement that washed up band X is doing a Kickstarter to raise funds for their new album/van repairs/singer’s gall bladder surgery. And for every one of those, there are 5 random, hopeless bands trying to scrape together a few pennies to record their EP that nobody will care about. My friends, enough is enough. Let’s talk about the sad reality of crowdfunding, or as I like to call it “digital panhandling.”

(Apologies to any of my friends in bands who have done crowdfunding campaigns, ur different and i’m totally not talking about u ehehehe 😅)

It is narcissistic and delusional

For baby bands, it’s just embarrassing to crowdfund because it completely ignores market signals. A market signal is a seemingly innocuous thing that actually tells you something more substantial about a company– for example, if a company issues bonds then you can reasonably assume that they need capital for one reason or another. An example of a market signal in the music world would be that no labels are interested in financing your band’s album (hint: the signal here is that your band is not good).

For more established bands, the question usually isn’t a lack of demand. The cringey part is where they say something about how this will “allow them to create their art, free from the demands of a record label.” Which basically means, “give us your money so that we can do whatever we want and not have to answer to anyone” lol. It’s so loving cheap to record these days that any established band should be able to pay for it out of their own pocket– and if they can’t, then they really hosed up because how can 4-5 adults not be able to come up with $5k?! Oh that’s right, they’re musicians- the same people who piss and moan about buying a new set of $25 bass strings when they’re in the studio.

The amounts they ask for are completely divorced from reality to the point where you wonder whether the band is incredibly greedy, or just stupid
It is absolutely baffling to me that bands ask for insanely large sums of money to record an album in an era where recording budgets are shrinking on a daily basis thanks to technology. It is entirely reasonable to record a full length with a relatively established producer/engineer for say $10k. Which doesn’t explain why bands ask for like $30k to record, and certainly doesn’t explain why fans give it to them. I get it, you want to support the artists you like… but giving a band $50-100k to record an album is straight up wasting your money. There is literally no way to spend $100k on recording a metal album in 2015!!!

Learn this one weird trick for massive crowdfunding success: be Christian!
Side note, I’ve noticed that the crowdfunding campaigns that raise exceptionally absurd amounts of money tend to be for Christian bands (eg $200,000 for a Christian ska band). I suggest that anyone in an unsigned band take advantage of this by writing vague lyrics that can be interpreted as Christian, but whenever anyone asks you about it, dodge the question and say something about how you are “Christians in a band, but not a Christian band.” This will allow you to capitalize on the big Kickstarter paydays without alienating the secular kids– this is a premium tip I usually charge for, but I’m giving it to you guys FREE because I care 😊

You’re asking for investment without offering equity
This is by far my biggest objection to crowdfunding. It’s essentially taking advantage of your fans, asking them to assume all the risk of the project without letting them participate in the upside. And no, a voicemail message from the drummer or an autographed shower curtain doesn’t count– in the real world, when someone invests in a thing they become a shareholder. But in the music world where everything is broken, backward and dysfunctional, the band simply passes the digital hat around and asks for donations. If it does well, they pocket the profits. If it tanks, well who cares, it’s not their money. I don’t fault the bands here, because hey who doesn’t want free money with very few strings attached, I just find it insane that fans agree to this one-sided arrangement.

The bottom line
Friends, think twice before you crowdfund. If you’re a band, consider how smalltime and desperate it can make you look (and also that after fees and giving out the “prizes” you’re often left with a lot less than you think and that doing taxes for the money is a giant pain in the rear end) and ask if you might not be better off just putting the poo poo on your credit cards. If you’re a fan, ask yourself why the band gets to keep all the profits off something they made with your money.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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how much do i pledge to become the proud owner of a picture of arroz con polo

Dr. Tommy John
Feb 20, 2004

"Just a few more ligaments and this baby can shoot 90!"

satanic splash-back posted:

Go gently caress yourself, even beggars on the streets will give you a reason they need money. You are a spoiled brat asking for free money so you can realize your dream without the downsides like actual commitment.

We need money to purchase cooking equipment like a griddle and new fryers, we need to do a small renovation to fix up the counter. We also need operational expenses like a proper POS system, signs, marketing, storage and a refrigerator. Some of these things can wait, and some can have their price tag cut down.

We successfully applied for a loan to cover the expenses of a large festival that was cancelled at the last minute. When we went looking for replacement opportunities and added our profits and savings, we saw we were only a short stretch away from opening a full time spot. As it stood, we had enough to get the doors open and sell a limited menu, but if we could secure a little extra we could open with the capability to make more of what people want without any compromises.

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lonelylikezoidberg
Dec 19, 2007

Killed a Girl in 96 posted:

it should be used for paying someone to break your kneecaps

Dude if you see a hobo on the street begging for money and you don't want to give them any, just pretend they don't exists like a normal person does. You don't yell at them about their poor life decisions, it won't help and anyway, deep down they know, they're the ones begging.

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