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F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

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Overall, these are the years in which the USSR strongly supports Zionism and the creation of Israel. Stalin plays a frontline role, and perhaps even a decisive role. Without him “the emergence of the Jewish state in Palestine would have been difficult”―a Russian historian goes as far as saying, using documents recently made public in his country. In any case, as another author (this time a Western one) observes, the speech in May of 1948 before the UN by the Soviet minister of foreign affairs, Andrei A. Gromyko, appears “like something out of a Zionist propaganda manual”: the foundation of Israel is necessary for the fact that “in the territories occupied by the Nazis, the Jews suffered an almost complete annihilation”, while “no state of Western Europe was able to provide adequate assistance to the Jewish people in defense of their rights and their very existence."

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So, what sense is there to speak of “antisemitism” with regard to Stalin? The support given by him to the foundation and consolidation of the Jewish State is at the same time a contribution given to the Nakbah, that is the national “catastrophe” for the Palestinian people, who for decades continue to languish in refugee camps and in the territories subjected to a ruthless military occupation and a rampant process of colonization. If, for the purposes of being absurd, Stalin must be accused of “antisemitism”, he should be accused of “antisemitism” toward Arabs.

sorry stalin is bad now

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ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
This thread is putting the R back in USSR

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

https://puu.sh/HGSYw/c0adf82de8.mp4

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
e: ^^^ lol

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

sorry stalin is bad now

yeah, about 30% bad

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Stalinism

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

sorry stalin is bad now

Yikes sorry folks im with apropos now

Please visit wsws.org

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Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

ArfJason posted:

This thread is putting the R back in USSR

highly regarded

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

y'all, people named f******s are new type of guy

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Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
This guy is a loving freak lol

https://twitter.com/calebmaupin/status/1393605207276273673?s=20

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
He's right. If you don't agree with me on China I'm going to genocide your bitch rear end.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

sorry stalin is bad now

Stalin was 70% right and 30% wrong.

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

gradenko_2000 posted:

Yikes sorry folks im with apropos now

Please visit wsws.org

kind of hypocritical of the anti-cancel culture left to try to cancel a guy over one measly mistake

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Picking R-ISM in alpha 3

emTme3
Nov 7, 2012

by Hand Knit

Tiler Kiwi posted:

My own comprehension of dialectical materialism that its akin to something like understanding what a computer program is doing; you have a button on screen and you press it and it plays a ping noise. But that's not really what it is doing, you have to peel it back and look at the code; it has calls and functions that draw things on your screen and plays a sound file when a click is noted in a specific screen area. But that is also not what is really happening; you peel it back more and you're dealing now with memory locations being accessed, with how the entire operating system actually works, what the lowest levels of the computer's brain are doing, then the material reality of the computer being a bunch of magnetic bits being fliped via an array of nand logic gates and even then you can get into the physical properties of the need for copper and silicone and electricity all to describe exactly what happens to cause you to think you're clicking a button and playing a ping noise. It's not that this results in some understanding more true than just going "well you click a button and it goes ping", but if, for instance, the program has some bug in it that makes it break, or perhaps is doing something nefarious and hidden, then the only way you could hope to discover the actual truth of what this thing is doing is to peel back those layers and then put them back on with a new understanding.

Surface appearance ⤍ hidden essence ⤍ truth behind the surface appearance
then becomes
Machine that goes ping ⤍ code that does a lot of fucky things without telling you ⤍ Machine mails your porn to all your peers and goes Ping

The other half of my understanding of it is the epistemological notion that the answer to the whole ship of Theseus problem is to go "there never was a 'ship of Theseus', you just thought there was".

I understand it this way because I'm philosophically illiterate, and its totally wrong so if someone could rework it to be actually accurate I'd be appreciative.

in the simplest possible terms - we're including the subjective perspective on the objective in our assessment of the objective, and we're trying to do this without becoming idealists for whom everything is a subjective projection.

in more Hegely terms, the relationship between essence and appearance AND the appearance itself are both a part of the essence and must be including in the trajectory of the analysis. similarly with form and content.

re: the ship of theseus - the only place the ship really 'exists' as such is as the concept in the minds of the people who built and use it. objectively it's a haphazard pile of dead treeparts, indifferent to their momentary arrangement. subjectively it's a concept realized via labor. dialectically it's a feedback loop between both.

the ship is the entire process including the people who conceived, built, and use it, so there never was an 'original' ship to begin with. the ships identity includes its own capacity for self-transformation.

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emTme3 fucked around with this message at 20:22 on May 15, 2021

Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

r me mateys

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

gradenko_2000 posted:

Yikes sorry folks im with apropos now

Please visit wsws.org

this like one of those twilight zone eps where the protagonist gets what they wanted, but theres a twist

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003
me: i had the most horrible dream, it was 2021 and people were still defending stalin
wife: there there, it was just a dream. you know everyone in reality is a trotskyist?
me: really? oh thats such good news
wife: now come on honey, lets go hear all the great things chairman david north has to say in his review about roman polanskis latest film "Lolita 2"

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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
lmfao

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
guy gets banned for defending child porn, entire SEP group dm immediately crowds into the thread to pontificate about how mods are all ableists, should NEVER use their buttons, etc

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Mods unable to put down any words in scrabble cause they only have R tiles

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ferrinus posted:

guy gets banned for defending child porn, entire SEP group dm immediately crowds into the thread to pontificate about how mods are all ableists, should NEVER use their buttons, etc

https://youtu.be/V9O94UTDAJQ

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

i really don't know why you're so upset with me. i even made sure to include a trotsky text in my last bunch of links

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

apropos to nothing posted:

me: i had the most horrible dream, it was 2021 and people were still defending stalin
wife: there there, it was just a dream. you know everyone in reality is a trotskyist?
me: really? oh thats such good news
wife: now come on honey, lets go hear all the great things chairman david north has to say in his review about roman polanskis latest film "Lolita 2"

lmao

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Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

lol flavius aetass is reading off train schedule times in a really quiet voice on discord... is this what they call dsm-r ?

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Slanderer
May 6, 2007

Ferrinus posted:

guy gets banned for defending child porn, entire SEP group dm immediately crowds into the thread to pontificate about how mods are all ableists, should NEVER use their buttons, etc

shut up loser

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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

The hotter, the wetter, the better

apropos to nothing posted:

me: i had the most horrible dream, it was 2021 and people were still defending stalin
wife: there there, it was just a dream. you know everyone in reality is a trotskyist?
me: really? oh thats such good news
wife: now come on honey, lets go hear all the great things chairman david north has to say in his review about roman polanskis latest film "Lolita 2"

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F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010


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Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor



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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Ferrinus posted:

guy gets banned for defending child porn, entire SEP group dm immediately crowds into the thread to pontificate about how mods are all ableists, should NEVER use their buttons, etc

As if mods would ever ban someone for defending child porn

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Dreddout posted:

As if mods would ever ban someone for defending child porn

well, it would be extremely cringe, and really uncalled for

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Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
I need to not touch the poop in the tankie thread

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

Deified Data posted:

I need to not touch the poop in the tankie thread

the tankie thread is good for one thing, and that's watching anarchists tug nervously at their collars as they realize who they're rubbing elbows with as they hoot and holler about authoritarianism or whatever. or, rather, it's good for idly imagining this is happening based off of others' reports, because i do not actually read it

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Brain Candy
May 18, 2006

ButterSkeleton posted:

Tbh a highly motivated desire to use the word retarded will not help you convince people of what you say is worth listening to no matter how actually true what you say is

If you enjoy having a persecution complex then feel free to use retarded to lessen the sway of your point though

ButterSkeleton posted:

You can vote for Biden AND fight for all the other poo poo too. You can hate the fucker but know that it's the better option.

i hope it convinces you to never post in this thread again, thank you retard-sayers

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Is this the revolution, comrades?

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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

The hotter, the wetter, the better
:synpa:

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