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Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

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wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?



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Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

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Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

ArfJason posted:

the mods are deficient in every vitamin except R

Absolutely.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Tiler Kiwi posted:

dont ever program, it makes you dumb as hell

computers didn't appear from nowhere. i think you just have to add history to get out of the abstract universalism computers tend to teach here, and you basically have dialectical materialism. don't just look down, also look backwards and sideways. :nsa:

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

weast posted:

this was a few pages ago but it still bugs me that i don’t know if anybody pointed out that dialectics is not inherently opposed to idealism at all, like with hegel

i mean it in the sense that mao used it of dividing the world into eternal and irreducible categories

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/theolivefaerie/status/1393574429557411840?s=19

Can't really argue with this one

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

some plague rats posted:

I just want to get paid and have some fuckin healthcare! I will not read a novel by some nerd whose adherents have accomplished jack poo poo in living memory. I don't need a philosophy degree to get that unionizing makes life better for everyone

I can't find it now (maybe someone else can?), but there's a speech or Q&A thing by Stalin that's basically chiding members of the party for talking too much theory to workers when, in reality, if you go up to any normal worker and say, "hey so uh... how come your boss sits around like an rear end in a top hat but then gets paid more than you? isn't that hosed?" they'll get it. It's still theory, but without specialized vocabulary that'll just alienate them.

I do agree with ferrinus that it's wrong to say Marx's "adherents have accomplished jack poo poo in living memory." I think they've accomplished a lot — just not in the US — and that there are lessons to be learned from them. The idea that they haven't is propaganda because if you think they haven't accomplished anything, then you won't learn any of those lessons. In fact, I'd argue that the "accomplish[ing of] jack poo poo" in places like the US is due, in large part, to moving away from Marx. A lot of "academic" marxism (the kind for which you need a philosophy degree) is just liberalism and so yeah, it's ineffective. Like, yeah, Marxism can be complicated and there's plenty I don't get, but a lot of the basics are not rocket science. Marx himself tried to write Capital so that it could be read and discussed by workers. And it is. If you join a relevant party, you'll find plenty of workers talking "theory" and doing so with less bullshit than some grad school seminar. But they'll also be trying to apply it to actual organizing. And, as you say, at the end of the day, it's often just stuff like building a union — or, a wild idea, building solidarity across unions — and not being sidetracked by bullshit.



Tiler Kiwi posted:

Surface appearance ⤍ hidden essence ⤍ truth behind the surface appearance
then becomes
Machine that goes ping ⤍ code that does a lot of fucky things without telling you ⤍ Machine mails your porn to all your peers and goes Ping

Surface appearance: my finger clicks the button and I think that's the source of what makes the computer go ping

Hidden essence: actually, the only way that's possible is there's all this underlying code created by some jerkoffs in silicon valley.

Truth behind the surface appearance: all those jerkoffs in silicon valley are funded by harvesting my data whenever my finger clicks the button that makes the computer go ping; that's why they write the code the way they do.

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Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007


anarchists have one thing right: zines are the superior print media

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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

in the margins you will find an incredible proof that marxism is just a turing tape,

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Catgirl Al Capone
Dec 15, 2007

a skilled and heartfelt unrecognized poet on one page and a doodle of piglet's decapitated head wearing a police helmet on the other

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Dongicus
Jun 12, 2015

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Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://youtu.be/CCg99EPJhdU

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAgtUf90tuI

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

I think the mods are a little etre en retard if you catch my drift.

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
Fully R-ded

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

#Jesuisenretard

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ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
New mario character who has an R on his cap and he moderates an internet forum

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Tardio

ButterSkeleton
Jan 19, 2020

SIZE=XX-LARGE]PLEASE! PLEASE STOP SAYING THE R WORD. GOD, IF SOMEBODY SAID THE R WORD, I WILL HECKIN LOSE IT. JUST PEE PEE MY JORTS. CAN'T YOU JUST CALL THEM A SMOOTHE BRAINED DOTARD LIKE THE REST OF US NORMAL PEOPLE? DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

P.S. FREE LARRY YOU FUCKIN COWARDS.
Tbh a highly motivated desire to use the word retarded will not help you convince people of what you say is worth listening to no matter how actually true what you say is

If you enjoy having a persecution complex then feel free to use retarded to lessen the sway of your point though

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ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfBEqiEhCgM

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
r-type final 2 just came out

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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

ButterSkeleton posted:

Tbh a highly motivated desire to use the word retarded will not help you convince people of what you say is worth listening to no matter how actually true what you say is

If you enjoy having a persecution complex then feel free to use retarded to lessen the sway of your point though

listen, we just value freedom of speech really highly here in the marxism thread

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy


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Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
this is actually all a really good example of undialectical thinking and the fetish character that things acquire under bourgeois ideology, where an object or symbol is imagined to have some sort of intrinsic value and power of its own rather than just being the end-effect of some concrete social relation

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ferrinus posted:

this is actually all a really good example of undialectical thinking and the fetish character that things acquire under bourgeois ideology, where an object or symbol is imagined to have some sort of intrinsic value and power of its own rather than just being the end-effect of some concrete social relation

I admire how much this keeps things on topic.

ArfJason
Sep 5, 2011
R (Fritz Lang, 1931)

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
retro modding

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I admire how much this keeps things on topic.

lol

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

apropos to nothing posted:

marxism is like a computer

Someone please find the user manual for this thing

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Wouldn't small pamphlets be better than handing out cumbersome newspapers?

All you need is a brief mission statement + local project's and a link to your website/ contact information.

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Dreddout posted:

Someone please find the user manual for this thing



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