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NotWearingPants posted:Stupid Bernie supporters don't realize that a thread that references Bernie Sanders in the title and has an OP dedicated to Bernie Sanders is not for them! The way you're phrasing this would be a legitimate attack in our new politiverse
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:no actually i welcome the attention of bernie supporters, because i think they should look into the PSL, especially when Bernie drops out in April or so. however i will enthusiastically point out their enormous hypocrisy I think you've won me over. I like Bernie, but I need something that gives me more of that cunty air of superiority. Tell me more about the PSL. Are you sure it will remain completely unappealing to 99% of the population? I don't want to be mixing with the normals.
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I used to get newsletters from http://www.cpusa.org like 12 years ago. They don't seem as active these days. I guess they started some other website for news and it covers some bernie stuff but I don't see any active campaigning for any candidates like they used to.
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JHVH-1 posted:I used to get newsletters from http://www.cpusa.org like 12 years ago. They don't seem as active these days. I guess they started some other website for news and it covers some bernie stuff but I don't see any active campaigning for any candidates like they used to. party unity! R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:no actually i welcome the attention of bernie supporters, because i think they should look into the PSL, especially when Bernie drops out in April or so. however i will enthusiastically point out their enormous hypocrisy There's nothing hypocritical about being against actual socialism while being for Bernie, who's a social democrat and has denounced communism since he was in college.
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Also that web site is practically made of the fallacy of the undistributed middle. They're pointing at how bad unregulated laissez-faire capitalism is and saying socialism is the only alternative.
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what's a few dead children when there's free college to be had, huh
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Europe is doing real well with social democracy these days huh? Too bad it's unsustainable and it gets dismantled in austerity, or it creates a super-exploited national/racial underclass. The rate of profit declines no matter where you are, and eventually the ownership of the means of production comes into question. I wonder if that creation of a superexploited racial underclass is why Bernie considers reparations "unrealistic" (in stark contrast to his healthcare plan)
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:Europe is doing real well with social democracy these days huh? Too bad it's unsustainable and it gets dismantled in austerity, or it creates a super-exploited national/racial underclass. The rate of profit declines no matter where you are, and eventually the ownership of the means of production comes into question. No it doesn't doctor Zimbardo.
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it does, but hey who's this guy marx anyway? he's dead now. shows how much he knows
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Homework Explainer posted:it does, but hey who's this guy marx anyway? he's dead now. shows how much he knows Isn't that the guy whose ideas caused every country that tried them to go to hell?
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Jewel Repetition posted:No it doesn't doctor Zimbardo. class collaboration is great and crisis isnt inherent to capitalism! *bites a snickers* oh wow, crisis was inherent to capitalism the whole time! i sure am a fascist when i get hungry
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Jewel Repetition posted:Isn't that the guy whose ideas caused every country that tried them to go to hell? you have him confused with john locke
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it's the other guys that'll try to sell me newspapers right? i'll consider voting for you all as long as i don't get asked to purchase a newspaper.
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Homework Explainer posted:it's great to see bernie people devolve into john birchers the second any mention is made of actually existing socialism lol Um, excuse me, but did you know that Communism is responsible for the deaths of a Million-Bajillion people?* *wikipedia
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Jewel Repetition posted:Also that web site is practically made of the fallacy of the undistributed middle. They're pointing at how bad unregulated laissez-faire capitalism is and saying socialism is the only alternative. Any system that relies on constant growth in order to function sets itself up for cyclical collapse, and eventual catastrophic implosion in a closed environment (our planet). A system like socialism which doesn't rely on growth in order to function properly, is the only real alternative.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Any system that relies on constant growth in order to function sets itself up for cyclical collapse, and eventual catastrophic implosion in a closed environment (our planet). A system like socialism which doesn't rely on growth in order to function properly, is the only real alternative. Look up the difference between intensive and extensive growth. I don't think environmentalism is even why Marxists normally theorize the "implosions."
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Um, excuse me, but did you know that Communism is responsible for the deaths of a Million-Bajillion people?* Holy poo poo, are you like a holocaust denier but for Stalinism? Horseshoe theory is real.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Look up the difference between intensive and extensive growth. I don't think environmentalism is even why Marxists normally theorize the "implosions." It doesn't even really have anything to do with environmentalism, I just felt like saying the Earth is a "closed system" would feel redundant compositionally. quote:Holy poo poo, are you like a holocaust denier but for Stalinism? Horseshoe theory is real. Mistakes were made. If you've got a plan for bloodlessly seizing the means of production, and protecting it from Imperialist aggression I'm all ears. "Class War" isn't just supposed to be a buzzword for tax policy wonks.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It doesn't even really have anything to do with environmentalism, I just felt like saying the Earth is a "closed system" would feel redundant compositionally. yeah starving millions of Ukrainian peasants to death is a common side effect of seizing the means of production.
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Phase 1: Massive loss of human life through state suppression and famine Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Utopia
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More evidence of horseshoe theory: they use "red-baiting" like rightists use "race-baiting," except at the mention of the USSR instead of African Americans.
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Call me crazy but I think some things work better when privately owned and some things work better when run by the government. We've been going way too far to the private side. Idiots are selling highways and poo poo.
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Yudo posted:yeah starving millions of Ukrainian peasants to death is a common side effect of seizing the means of production. It really was though lmao. Holodomor wasn't an engineered genocide but the end result of State Capitalist policies in which grains were being used to accumulate industrial capital instead of consumption. Millions starved in Central Asia too, but they're not white and don't have a lobby in Washington DC so they don't get a special genocide I guess. When "mistakes were made" those specific mistakes were letting Stalin and Mao seize the reigns of power. Just don't try and make me cry big fat liberal crocodile tears for the Kulaks or the Chinese gentry. Jewel Repetition posted:More evidence of horseshoe theory: they use "red-baiting" like rightists use "race-baiting," except at the mention of the USSR instead of African Americans. Horseshoe Theory is reductionist bullshit whose sole purpose is to reinforce Liberal hegemony. Liberals be like: "you don't really want to slaughter the bourgeoisie do you?| Commies be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygDo4-ksCs4
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Jewel Repetition posted:Phase 1: Massive loss of human life through state suppression and famine But enough about liberalism,
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The late 19th and early 20th Centuries were an unprecedented orgy of blood and violence unparalleled in all of History, but somehow Liberals are above it all because they had the best intentions. Fukken LMAO. "We didn't mean to massacre hundreds of thousands of Filipinos, but they refused to be our colony!!!" 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Holodomor wasn't an engineered genocide Yeah it was. Sorry your ideology is even more bloodthirsty than liberalism try to come up with something new.
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NotWearingPants posted:Call me crazy but I think some things work better when privately owned and some things work better when run by the government. We've been going way too far to the private side. Idiots are selling highways and poo poo.  Pener Kropoopkin posted:The late 19th and early 20th Centuries were an unprecedented orgy of blood and violence unparalleled in all of History, but somehow Liberals are above it all because they had the best intentions. Fukken LMAO. Liberal democracies wage a lot less war, especially with each other, than any other political system.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Holy poo poo, are you like a holocaust denier but for Stalinism? Horseshoe theory is real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNaV2Usxlc
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Yudo posted:Yeah it was. Sorry your ideology is even more bloodthirsty than liberalism try to come up with something new. Not even "Holodomor" could be as bloodthirsty as the expiration rate of slaves in the Americas, but I don't see that called an engineered genocide. You've got more sympathy for the slavers slaughtered in Haiti. Jewel Repetition posted:Liberal democracies wage a lot less war, especially with each other, than any other political system. What do you call WW1, Korea, Vietnam, Kenya, Algiers, Iraq, Afghanistan? Because the Liberal system externalizes death and suffering to the Global Periphery does not make it any less bloodthirsty. 500,000 dead Iraqi children lie at the feet of the Clinton sanctions regime, but don't call that a genocide.
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Agreed, this is why I support Trump. I don't have a problem with genocide or oppression of a specific group if it raises living standards for the population in general.
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^^^Trump over Stalin for sure. Pener Kropoopkin posted:Not even "Holodomor" could be as bloodthirsty as the expiration rate of slaves in the Americas, but I don't see that called an engineered genocide. You've got more sympathy for the slavers slaughtered in Haiti. You are desperately trying to minimize the calculated and cruel murder of millions of people because it makes your politics look bad.
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Yudo posted:You are desperately trying to minimize the calculated and cruel murder of millions of people because it makes your politics look bad. I am at least willing to admit that Mass Death happened, and it was a mistake. Which is more than can be said for the Liberal naysayers who outright ignore the crimes their ideological framework was loving built on over centuries and even up to the present day. I can't believe I'm being told that Liberal countries are less warlike while NATO-led coalitions are waging war on 2 continents, and in multiple countries at once.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I am at least willing to admit that Mass Death happened, and it was a mistake. Which is more than can be said for the Liberal naysayers who outright ignore the crimes their ideological framework was loving built on over centuries and even up to the present day. I can't believe I'm being told that Liberal countries are less warlike while NATO-led coalitions are waging war on 2 continents, and in multiple countries at once. So you eagerly support an ideology that promulgated and eagerly justified (or simply covered up) tens of millions of deaths, slavery, unparalleled state terror, repression of personal rights, corruption, incompetence and imperialism (just ask Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland et al.!) all while entirely failing to live up to its ideological promise because you dislike some monolithic imagining of imperfect governance by consent? You are willing to ignore the vast and irreparable failings of Marxist-Leninism as well as its inevitable brutishness, yet characterize "liberalism" completely by human malice--this despite actually being susceptible to change and occasionally bettering the lot of the governed. Ultimately you are comparing an ad hoc amalgam of political traditions with a secular religion whose patron deity (its moral legitimacy) died for most in 1968 and whose promise of heaven was in fact a hell. I would suggest that you take what is a theory predicated on the epistemological foundations of positivism and judge it in those terms.
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Yudo posted:your ideology is even more bloodthirsty than liberalism [citation needed]
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