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GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
You should try putting yourself on ignore so you don’t read your post’s :smuggo:

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Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

ButterSkeleton posted:

I take some responsibility for voting in someone who's done hosed up poo poo, yes. Trump in office is worse. I choose to vote for a candidate more likely to remove trump because I feel that him being out of office is vital. I also feel that any other strategy that clearly has a incredibly unrealistic chance of removing him too is even more irresponsible.

The right thing moving forward from that is to do whatever I can to try to push better policies locally/nationwide and meaningfully. If I ever wanted to try more radical changes, I am also responsible for making that radical change as realistic as possible, and to accept that radical change needs real work and sacrifice.

right so you're a chump, got it.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

my constant pushing of unsalted gruel, grey jumpsuits, and procreative-only sex really hasnt been getting much traction winning over people. maybe that person has a point

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

THS posted:

my constant pushing of unsalted gruel, grey jumpsuits, and procreative-only sex really hasnt been getting much traction winning over people. maybe that person has a point

yeah but we'll lose the nofap community, what would we do without GalacticAcid here?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
The wreckers attack me simply for maintaining personal discipline

Lasting Damage
Feb 26, 2006

Fallen Rib

Is this one of those situations where the op invented someone to get mad at online?

Serf
May 5, 2011


Lasting Damage posted:

Is this one of those situations where the op invented someone to get mad at online?

i've seen a scant few transphobic communists but i'm pretty sure those people are plants or just deranged. the rest of it i've never seen before, especially the food one

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Lasting Damage posted:

Is this one of those situations where the op invented someone to get mad at online?

What does your heart tell you

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


i thought phil greaves was in the "homosexuality and/or transexuality are bourgeois affectations" camp

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Serf posted:

plants or just deranged.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Serf posted:

i've seen a scant few transphobic communists but i'm pretty sure those people are plants or just deranged. the rest of it i've never seen before, especially the food one

i dunno man, i've seen like 4 different uk commie/commieadjacent orgs being transphobic. it's something in the water over there

Serf
May 5, 2011


Doc Hawkins posted:

i thought phil greaves was in the "homosexuality and/or transexuality are bourgeois affectations" camp

yes, he's one of the plants/deranged people i'm talking about

dex_sda posted:

i dunno man, i've seen like 4 different uk commie/commieadjacent orgs being transphobic. it's something in the water over there

isn't that just most of the uk

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Serf posted:

yes, he's one of the plants/deranged people i'm talking about


isn't that just most of the uk

it is but if you're a commie i expect you to know better, and i say that as a blackflag with buckets of criticism

Serf
May 5, 2011


dex_sda posted:

it is but if you're a commie i expect you to know better, and i say that as a blackflag with buckets of criticism

i mean my opinion here is that if you're hostile to trans people you're not a real communist

Lasting Damage
Feb 26, 2006

Fallen Rib

dex_sda posted:

i dunno man, i've seen like 4 different uk commie/commieadjacent orgs being transphobic. it's something in the water over there

I think we can safely say that pedophile island is beyond redemption.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Serf posted:

i mean my opinion here is that if you're hostile to trans people you're not a real communist

hard agree

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Serf posted:

i mean my opinion here is that if you're hostile to trans people you're not a real communist

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

Serf posted:

i mean my opinion here is that if you're hostile to trans people you're not a real communist

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Any sources on getting news? I feel like sites like Jacobin don't keep you up to date with regular stuff. Like I completely missed the Pfizer stuff. Also Jacobin is really shady when it comes to foreign policy.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

ToxicAcne posted:

Any sources on getting news? I feel like sites like Jacobin don't keep you up to date with regular stuff. Like I completely missed the Pfizer stuff. Also Jacobin is really shady when it comes to foreign policy.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=269

THS
Sep 15, 2017

ToxicAcne posted:

Any sources on getting news? I feel like sites like Jacobin don't keep you up to date with regular stuff. Like I completely missed the Pfizer stuff. Also Jacobin is really shady when it comes to foreign policy.

https://contention.substack.com

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Whatever your local news is so you can operate more effectively locally.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

THS posted:

my constant pushing of unsalted gruel, grey jumpsuits, and procreative-only sex really hasnt been getting much traction winning over people. maybe that person has a point
folks can just join tank club. we don't care you who you vote for. can make whatever operationally distributed tactical decisions you need to in the moment if you feel it can create divisions among the enemy. there are only two rules of tank club:

rule number one of tank club: you can't criticize counter-hegemonic bloc regimes even when they're revisionist

rule number two of tank club: there's a meeting at the student union at 7:00 and there will be free pizza and hawaiian punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6Vxwb-gJ1Q

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
im only hostile to rich trans people but it's because of the rich thing

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

ButterSkeleton posted:

They don't give much a poo poo at all, correct. However, the best move people can make regarding the presidency is to pressure the poo poo out of them to do the right thing, because there's opportunity to do SOMETHING. That's because Trump / Pence would actively, intentionally sabotage marginalized people if you even bothered to try.

Obviously Biden is going to have most of the same blood on his hands as any other president. What are you gunna do about it? Take the most morally clear road where your actions won't do poo poo, not work with anyone so you can feel like the system purposely rejected you on a personal level? You have to also take some responsibility for intentionally choosing a harder road that's more likely to fail.

You can vote for Biden AND fight for all the other poo poo too. You can hate the fucker but know that it's the better option.

Inasmuch as it's reasonable to assume that a left-wing movement is going to have to win victories via forcing the government to grant them concessions in exchange for ending strikes and civil disobedience, that sort of thing is President-agnostic. If the only way that police abolition can be won is by [REDACTED]ing the police stations, you can do that no matter who the President is.

It's also not a given that a Trump second term was the "harder road that's more likely to fail" - Biden's candidacy, and the congealing of the Democrat establishment around him, was specifically designed to crush left electoralism. He bragged about beating the socialist! He put out campaign ads specifically saying he was NOT a Socialist! Not only is he and his entourage targeted against the left, the combination of being more competent at left-repression and the disarming nature of his win may well lead to him being a larger danger to leftist organizing than Trump was. This distinction between Trump and Biden assumes that only the former is hostile to the left. No. Both of them are.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008


he's such a loving psycho, I love it

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
What lead to this influx of progressive military leaders in the third world during the post colonial period. I'm talking about Sankara, Nasser, Velasco among others (Like the failed Akbar Khan of Pakistan). Was this just due to special circumstances? Also are the Armed forces inherently a reactionary institution?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

ToxicAcne posted:

What lead to this influx of progressive military leaders in the third world during the post colonial period. I'm talking about Sankara, Nasser, Velasco among others (Like the failed Akbar Khan of Pakistan). Was this just due to special circumstances? Also are the Armed forces inherently a reactionary institution?

Part of it is that almost all of them were junior officers, men that were educated, had knowledge of military strategy/tactics, but also recognized the severe failings of the governments they were serving up.

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

Optimus Subprime
Mar 26, 2005

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Serf posted:

i mean my opinion here is that if you're hostile to trans people you're not a real communist

binary gender and fixed roles are as fake an idea used to divide/exploit people as money or anything else

it's weird where some people decide to "stop" when ejecting ideology from their brain as they accrue class consciousness

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

smarxist posted:

binary gender and fixed roles are as fake an idea used to divide/exploit people as money or anything else

it's weird where some people decide to "stop" when ejecting ideology from their brain as they accrue class consciousness

this is the "but you own an iphone, hypocrite" of gender lmao

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I think it’s an artifact of people wanting to be Supremely Rational Logicbots and they think “hmm well actually I learned in elementary school that there are only two sexes and everyone is one or the other determined in perpetuity at birth”

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Varinn posted:

this is the "but you own an iphone, hypocrite" of gender lmao

what

studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005


oh maybe i misunderstood, it sounded like you were doing the "trans people are just reinforcing the binary!!!" which is uhh rampant

my bad if not

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

cis people can't be communists I'm sorry. you're all gender libs

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
oh, nah, i mean, an individual's gender expression is always fine and can obviously use whatever type of things feel comfortable from all hitherto existing styles and whatnot, even binary characteristics, but to me it's all cultural and however someone chooses to express or identify should be as uncontroversial and meaningless to the society as a language accent or something, and not determine any legal bullshit or confer any privileges or disadvantages

i usually identify as non-binary, but i've kinda just landed on "gender skeptic" as a personal summation of my feelings, it's important to you? awesome. it's not? cool! lets definitely continue to eradicate all systems of oppression that invoke gender constructs!

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

T-man posted:

cis people can't be communists I'm sorry. you're all gender libs

the t stands for trot

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Peanut President posted:

the t stands for trot

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