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GunnerJ posted:sup dogg, this the thread for working class ephebophiles?? i'm asking... for a friend... I think that's the Star Trek discussion thread in TVIV from what I remember  Wait no sorry that was just straight up paedophilia, much like rich people have been committing and getting away with recently.
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Jack of Hearts posted:Question: fervent as he is in his desire to eat the rich, could The Saurus possibly contribute to the revolution by serving in a cannon fodder role in the red army? Or would it be wiser to have him arrested and reeducated? I'm already a proud member of the Corbynista Corps. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3739516/Why-despise-Jeremy-Corbyn-Nazi-stormtroopers-Jewish-Labour-donor-MICHAEL-FOSTER.html They even have their own Hitler Youth called Momentum Kids! Filthy socialists providing free childcare to politically engaged parents 
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rudatron posted:The Saurus, is that quote something you found, or did someone else find it for you? Answer honestly. Every single attempt to build any kind of equal or socialist society has faced an incredible amount of resistance from capitalists and the ruling class both nationally and globally. Do I really need to provide a laundry list of leftists overthrown in anti-democratic actions supported by the owners of the means of production? I don't think it's possible to break the bourgeoisie's hold on our society without the use of violence directed against them, and it needs to be done as soon as the leftists acquire any kind of power or capacity for violence as a preemptive strike, otherwise you're simply giving them the time and space to prepare their own counterrevolution.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:15
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I just support him to make the rich, spoilt children of doctors who enjoy talking poo poo about the working class cry sweet liberal tears. But no, I'm pretty much over Trump at this point. Though I do think in the long run his style of populism will need to be tried and shown to fail before the majority of people in the west rediscover leftism.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:20
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Also Government Regulation and Control isn't automatically a good thing just because it's the Government. Not when the government is wholly controlled by the capitalist class and has zero interest in representing workers. In that case, limiting the power of government is a good thing, such as the trillions of dollars in handouts and subsidies that go directly to the richest Americans after plundering wealth in taxes from the working class. The working class looking to the bourgeois government to represent them instead of creating their own power structures is a fatal mistake. The Soviets didn't all disband and decide to vote for the provisional government once every few years, they seized power through real representative workers democracy, controlled and organized by the workers themselves.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:26
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Majorian posted:also lol, you think talking poo poo to racists = talking poo poo about the working class. It is when you call them losers for doing working class jobs, yes. Majorian posted:which is why you want to put a corrupt billionaire in charge of that government. (it's actually because you really, really don't like non-white people) No, no I don't Majorian. I no longer support Trump as I've said multiple times. I know it might be surprising to you that people can change their views, I'm sure that's not an issue when you've never had to struggle your entire life due to being a member of a privileged class under capitalism.
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Well rejoice then, because I've moved onto blaming the rich which significantly increases the number of whites and significantly decreases the number of non-whites who I dislike 
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Sep 23, 2016 18:36
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I don't think your strategy of continuing to attack people who may have once said a racist thing after they have apologised and realised they were wrong is going to be a very good strategy for ending racism. Not that you care about that, you just want to assauge your guilt about being a parasite by virtue signalling and looking down on people who actually have to work for a living.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:39
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Peel posted:well saurus hasn't been posting about trump recently i wonder if he quietly realiz Actually they were bad, because they were still racists. I mean they would have considered me an untermenschen for having Jewish ancestry (as opposed to the myriad of far more legitimate reasons to consider me an untermenschen) However, if you could pair the left-wingers views on social equality, worker control and redistribution of wealth with the multi-ethnic fascism of Paul Verhoevens "Starship Troopers" I think you'd have a pretty good mix. e: I still feel kind of bad for Rohm though, just as I'd feel bad for anyone who was betrayed and murdered by their long-term gay lover. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Al! posted:he's a full blown nazi op well i'm certainly one when it comes to using "op" to refer to anyone but the thread poster
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Sep 24, 2016 02:56
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Majorian posted:i work for a charity that treats blind people in the developing world for free. what do you do for a living, again? Rich white person with connections and privilege finds well-paying feelgood job in the charity sector?  What a shocker.Please tell me how many non-whites from impoverished backgrounds work alongside you in the office while you congratulate yourself for your western paternalism. I do whatever work I can find that pays enough for me to remain housed and fed.
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rudatron posted:Firstly, you didn't answer my question. Did you find that quote yourself, or did someone find it for you? I came across it when I was reading about the working class character of the SA. I guess people like Trump and the UKIPs have been combining a nominally populist platform with anti-working class/pro capitalist policies for a long time to gain the support of workers and then betraying them at the first opportunity. quote:Secondly, I do not need you to provide such a list. What I wanted you to do was formalize and systematize your thinking a bit, because you're a little all over the place. Within the space of about 5 posts, you talk about political action motivated by spite (liberal tears), socialist revolution, limited government (what?), defensiveness against perceived classism, and your (now historical) support of Donald Trump. There isn't much of a common thread here, and some of it is really unprompted. I come from somewhere where "Liberal" isn't the most left-wing thing you can be, so please don't think that I'm enjoying the tears of the left-wing half of the American populace when I talk about being motivated by spite. People do become spiteful, hateful and angry the longer they're denied a life they think they deserve though - Those rage massacres haven't been happening for the past decade for no reason. Limiting government is a good thing when the government almost totally serves the interests of the capitalist class, by maintaining a massive military-industrial complex, by allowing the richest to avoid taxes while raising funds from the workers and by giving massive subsidies that actually circumvent one of the few times the free market would help the average american (Such as the Sugar Program). The government has to be pressured and controlled by workers before it can be used as a force for good, simply being a supporter of Big Government with no proviso is very silly. I mean compared to welfare the US Government spends FAR more on its subsidies and tax breaks for corporations and military contractors. Why isn't it a good thing to limit that? quote:More than anything else, I think you need to step back a bit, and see yourself the way others are seeing you. Personally, what I am seeing, is someone digging themselves into a deeper hole. I don't think I need to worry about that anymore, everyone already despises me, it's not like my reputation around here can get any worse. If I'm digging a hole I'm already at the bedrock. Plus it's important to remember that the flesh will rot from our bones within a few decades and no one will ever remember who we were or are, not in real life and certainly not on this dead gay forum. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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actually Workers of All Lands Unite tho?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P97r9Ci5Kg drat, this Marxism stuff actually has a hella stable and well-thought out political philosophy behind it. It's like someone actually took the time to observe the world and human interactions and build a system around it instead of starting with the aim of maintaining the status quo and then making poo poo up to justify it like "The rich are good and deserve their money and drive the economy and are moral actors" (capitalism) or "The master race is superior and deserves their privilege over lesser humans" (fascism)
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Sep 27, 2016 01:22
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I read a really cool book called The Russian Tradition by TIbor Szamuely that was all about how the Russian tradition of autocracy was required for the state to survive during the Mongol invasion and overlordship, and was then integrated into the strategies and beliefs of its revolutionaries as the only way to effectively oppose the state, eventually ending up as the democratic centralism of the bolshevik party and finally resulting in the autocratic soviet government. It's got a lot of fun info about Russian revolutionaries working their asses off from the mid 1800s onwards
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Sep 28, 2016 03:36
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JeffersonClay posted:The Saurus has outflanked the Marxists! The government does suck, they concede. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw here's a good and interesting video about why government control is not the same thing as socialism
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Sep 28, 2016 21:48
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Some of the Bolsheviks did bad things, therefore all socialism and communism is wrong and bad and evil forever. The incredible suffering that billions of people have faced throughout history - and still do to this day - as a result of capitalism, and the lovely things individual capitalists do with their wealth and power has no bearing on the morality of that system, though. The Saurus fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Yinlock posted:
I'm not aware of causing death and suffering worldwide as members of the capitalist and political class in the west have? Beyond the necessary suffering that all of us cause by living in a capitalist imperialist system and having to buy necessities like food and clothes.
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Lenin said it himself, the Soviet Union only achieved state capitalism - The transfer to worker control of their own workplace never occured, the state was simply acting as the capitalist. This is also true for China. The capture of the state was not the be-all and end-all of socialism, capturing the state was the means to convert society to a socialist one, but Stalin said that government control of the economy WAS socialism.
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Sep 30, 2016 09:09
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Typo posted:So let me get this straight economic growth is only important under a neoliberal capitalist system, where many peoples' jobs and livelihoods rely on it. under a sensible system that used resources to provide for humanity instead of using resources to maximize profit for a small group of capitalists at the top of society, economic growth would be totally unimportant to the indicators and statistics that truly matter, such as people fed and housed, education levels, clean air and water etc.
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Oct 8, 2016 04:49
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JeffersonClay posted:what if we protect the environment... with laws? Because the legislators are in thrall to the corporate interests who don't want laws that hurt their profits or economic growth. So it's impossible to make those laws within capitalism.
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Oct 9, 2016 02:01
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TheDeadFlagBlues posted:No, the profit motive does not cause environmental devastation, poverty and economic/social inequality.  
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Oct 10, 2016 07:14
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Is there any proof that everyone in the country just votes straight D or straight R tickets? Won't a lot of Clinton's votes be from people who might support her against Trump for the presidency, but will vote for less offensive Republicans further down the ticket?
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Oct 10, 2016 20:22
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Deimus posted:I want to understand the forums optimism for Dems in the near future. But it's like, things have shifted so far to the right that something as moderate-left as the New Deal is now considered something like a marxist fever dream. The New Deal was actually a pretty big shift to the left coming after republican laissez-faireism and herbert hoover. It was forced on FDR by a large leftist coalition of socialist parties, the AFL-CIO and the communist party.
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Oct 11, 2016 18:28
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Please ask her to elaborate on her vision for self-determination by oppressed nations including "African Americans, Native, Puerto Rican and other Latino national minorities, the Hawaiian nation, Asian, Pacific Islander, Arab and other oppressed peoples who have experienced oppression as a whole people under capitalism"
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Oct 13, 2016 18:52
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Was reading about Krushchev's thaw and the secret speech (opinions on that btw?) When I found out that Grover Furr works at the university my wife attends  Shall I go and ask him tankie questions for this thread?
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Oct 22, 2016 04:53
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Cuba is also actually doing some really good stuff right now as far as reforming into worker cooperatives goes and so on. In the past, when liberal capitalism was so able to survive, it at least had the smart idea of creating a relatively prosperous working and middle class in the west, where the centers of power and industry were. This meant you had a population strongly backing you at home which let you freely go and gently caress poo poo up around the globe. Now, however, global neoliberalism will try to set all workers wages to be equally low via offshoring and automation. That means there's no "home base" of happy, fulfilled people for the liberal capitalists to retreat to like in the old days. They'll be under attack on all fronts, even their own backyard.
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Homework Explainer posted:shook, loving shoooook, these nimrods are shooker than hell *calls for public education to be cut and stripped to the bare bones for decades* *complains when public schools do not successfully indoctrinate children to your chosen ideology or teach them about history*
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resar posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/3ucp8y/i_was_beat_up_by_left_anarchists_in_greece/ lol what an rear end in a top hat
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