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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
anyone know of any marxist analysis of cold war america? specifically related to the economy if possible

Raskolnikov38 fucked around with this message at 06:29 on Jul 9, 2018

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
so i'll take that as a no then to marxist histories of cold war america

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

R. Guyovich posted:

is there a specific focus you were looking for?

late 1950s to early 1970s. i've been re-reading perlstein's trilogy and trying to sketch out a marxist interpretation of the societal, political, and economic changes of the period

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
knowing absolutely no details about this i'm going to guess this was stalin flipping the bird to the UK

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

HorrificExistence posted:

even in 1960, this ad was considered too leftist, in part due to the israeli flag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DoUiNxh6_0&t=63s

lol I really want to see the Nixon's version of the two minute animated ad

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
https://twitter.com/HamsickAndBrush/status/1004027890827051008

anybody got more info on stalin's supposed threat to invade alabama in 1935

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

R. Guyovich posted:

he's prince myshkin

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

oh hey i remember when grover made this exact same argument. what rank is nyt op-ed writer equivalent to these days

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

"innocent" libs

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

i say swears online posted:

did an anarchist make this? if so lol

lets see a breadtube reference, disdain for reading and theory, thinking liberals deserve something better than being beaten with a mace?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
capitalists: planned economies cause famines!

also capitalists:

https://twitter.com/BuildSoil/status/1133576822422102017

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

I'm sure this has been asked but does anyone have recommendations for books about how the Soviet economy and government worked?

amazon's recommendations are informing me that comrade stalin himself wrote on this

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1951/economic-problems/index.htm

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Algund Eenboom posted:

Yes

2 bad croatia is 100% racists now

:ssh: croatia was never not racist

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

GoluboiOgon posted:

if it were red, it would be the flag of the armenian ssr.

my god its the perfect cover for the armenian mafia

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
blue lives matter comrade da? now buy these tax-free cigarettes

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i'm working on a half baked mod for hoi4, is there an economic theory thats somewhere between central planning and market socialism? bonus points if it was ever suggested in the USSR during the 20s or 30s

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Kurnugia posted:

social fascism?

i was thinking more along the lines of socialism without a massive bureaucracy

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Kurnugia posted:

hmm.. have you tried ssolving the bureaucracy problem by using gulag?

it would be specifically for an alt-history where stalin gets replaced an old bolshevik i doubt anyone has heard of

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Peanut President posted:

You really wanna go for a gag, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Yezhov , aka the guy who famously got erased from that picture with stalin

lol unforunately he's killed by stalin in a fit of rage at the first alt-history national focus when the kirov trial falls apart. alexandra kollontini is the one i've picked since the workers opposition is kinda what i want to slot into that branch but i dunno if theres a specific ideology for what they were advocating

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
other options include tukhachevsky launching an uprising and restoring war communism, bukharin selling the revolution to the capitalists by launching NEP 2.0 neoliberal boogaloo, or then vlasov can make a fascist nation but i've sketched nothing out for that

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

R. Guyovich posted:

as an alternate to bukharin in that scenario, pick beria

also appropriate but it doesn't quite fit the timeline. could have him splitting transcaucusia away during the second civil war though

smarxist posted:

syndicalism?

i thought about it but its too anarchist for the path i want to take. from goofing around on marxists.org and russian wikipedia i'm just going to write up something combining council democracy and trade unionism

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Please, this is the United States we're talking about

They use this

https://twitter.com/hackermaderas/status/1126858389835997184?s=19

lmao i want to know how much the TV guided bomb that can only kill a single person in an open field costs

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
nothing is going to be as big of a joke as the fake prize for economics the banks award to the neo-classic economist that gives the best financial blowjobs

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
at least nobel created the peace prize, the economics one is just one of those lego ripoff brands you see in china

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
show me liz's lie

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

it would be most fitting to probe everyone equally, and finally we all rest

one probation is a tragedy; a million, a statistic

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
anybody know anything about the book "scientific management, socialist discipline, and soviet power" by mark beissinger. came across it while looking up information on the five year plans

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Raskolnikov38 posted:

anybody know anything about the book "scientific management, socialist discipline, and soviet power" by mark beissinger. came across it while looking up information on the five year plans

so i'm going to guess that no, none of you have heard about this book from 1988 that had maybe 5 copies printed

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
if there was one person in this thread i had to pick for having their poo poo together it would be WJ for being able to buy the labor of others directly

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
tinker tailor bernie spy

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
my experience from trying to read capital is that it is the most complicated guide on how to make a shirt from a roll of fabric you will ever find

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

That was a really weird scene. She was trying to convince him to evacuate an entire town against the orders of the party and then randomly insults him. Also I'm pretty sure that guy's secretary was the one legged Russian woman from the sopranos

not a town, one of the largest cities in the entire Union

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
"hello mr. mayor i am some mid level scientist you have literally never heard of. I am much smarter than you and because of this you should evacuate the entire city of boston you colossal dumbass you clod"

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
anyhow my only problem with the final episode is that is actually a decent reason to put graphite on control rod tips, it apparently makes each control rod have a strong effect when fully inserted. its just that inserting all 200+ rods at once is like pressing the plunger on a detonator

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

The show tries hard to blame "the system" for the disaster but the trial scene hammers home how it really was primarily Dyatlov's fault. He actively ignores dozens of warnings from the reactor control system and his subordinates. Better men did do the right thing as evidenced by the fact that this only happened once.

the thing that cements dyatlov as being the singular person responsible for the explosion is when legasov points out that the test results were meaningless the moment they entered the xenon hole

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Serf posted:

the show goes out of its way to depict dyatlov as essentially a psychopathic monster, i have no idea what this person is saying

by every historical account he was a gigantic rear end in a top hat

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Larry Parrish posted:

i shant be watching Chernobyl because everything I heard about it reminds me of the Americans at its worst like the final season where Gorbachev is basically the second coming of jesus, or when they tried to describe a working class Moscow apartment as being a shithole despite being bigger than most places ive lived

its fine you big baby

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i shan't be watching chernobyl because i read Voices from Chernobyl and it disturbed me enough that i feel queasy just thinking of watching a tv series on it.

otoh fair enough, especially since they really go in on showing a couple of people literally disintegrating on the cellular level

oh and also dog murder

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
why did fomin get arrested anyway. dyatlov caused the explosion, frizzy hair guy whose super slavic name starts with a B committed fraud, but fomin's only crime is luring a promotion in front of dyatlov????

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Karl Barks posted:

wasn't he the guy that refused to believe the reactor was gone, and just kept feeding water into the pit? that made everything about 20x worse.

no that was dyatlov. he was the sniveling balding dweeb that kept demanding people explain how a reactor explodes

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

THS posted:

what a strange man

bath salt murderers usually are

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