Pener Kropoopkin posted:

And in my mind socialized agriculture looks more like Thomas Sankara's Burkina Faso, in which lands were redistributed to the peasants who worked them, while fertilizers and agricultural capital were provided by the government. Within 3 years Burkina Faso went from a food importer which relied on foreign aid, to a food exporter which had achieved food security for all Burkinabe.

In the United States, agriculture has become so overwhelmingly Capital intensive that it's impossible for small farmers to exist anymore without permanently indebting themselves to the major agcorps. Agricultural lands are slowly being bought up and consolidated by these corporations, or tributized through debt payments and licensing agreements. It's getting to the point where the sheer scale of modern agriculture makes it impossible for farmers to survive, unless of course the brunt of the capital was being covered by society instead of banks and agcorps.

The Saurus posted:

Illegal immigrants are more lumpenproletariat then Sex Workers are Marx you loving sexist piece of poo poo.

The Saurus posted:

The number of jobs requiring Spanish speakers are far higher than the proportion of Spanish-only speakers.

This essentially provides a whole class of jobs for a particular privileged demographic in order to pander to an even smaller demographic.

GunnerJ posted:

lol:

Constant Hamprince posted:

A solid 30% of Americans think Obama is a Muslim lizard so uh good work there guys, revolution's just over the horizon, keep it up etc.

crabcakes66 posted:

More people are living better than ever. Welcome to reality.

The Saurus posted:

Aren't you a Hillary supporter?

GlitchThief posted:

Jesus Christ. Was this thread here all along? I've been missing out!

I live in a very small and isolated city that definitely has no running politicians that embrace any sort of socialism or communism. But I'm starting to think that engaging in political elections is just negotiating with a capitalist society that won't brook any truly revolutionary options anyway. Besides the fact that any third party is a dead end option for the general election, how does the PSL reconcile its positions with the nation's extremely limited tolerance of its ideals?

Bip Roberts posted:

Hmm yes, lets line up ideologies for what they have achieved - a marxist.

Jack of Hearts posted:

That was my take, but I figured I was being uncharitable. I'm open to an interpretation that makes the use of the word less pretentious.

Yinlock posted:

Typo posted:

and the fate of said revolutionaries says a lot about their ideology in general

JeffersonClay posted:

How does the party view hybrid systems like China and Vietnam, with private ownership existing in parallel with state and worker ownership? Are these capitalist countries? Or is there some threshold of private ownership that distinguishes them from European social democracies with large state sectors in transportation and human services?

Typo posted:

so what is the socialist plan for envriomentalism

Typo posted:

So your solution is to cap economic growth

asdf32 posted:

Unlike the others I know you're not dumb. So why in the world do you think that's unique to capitalism.


Which if you pay attention, is exactly what liberalism is with power distributed between the state, voters, consumers, and private institutions.

Typo posted:

so what kind of clean energy are you looking to transform to that couldn't be done under the current system?

Constant Hamprince posted:

ok not getting the sense that you actually know what profit is so here's a quick fyi 4 u

revenue - costs = profit

sorry if this is a little to mathy for u i can draw some helpful pictures in mspaint using apples as a metaphor if u think it will help

Homework Explainer posted:

time 2 nationalize all industries with heavy subsidy or with 50% + 1 of business coming from government contracts methinks