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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Lenin's point is that "exposing the bourgeoisie of another country" amounts to little more than "imperialist intrigue." It doesn't matter if you expose the corrupt dealings of a foreign bourgeois because it does not serve the overthrow of your own bourgeois dictatorship, and it only serves to make the foreign bourgeois seem an enemy to your own people - which serves the imperialist ambitions of your own national bourgeois. Lenin would have noticed just how much self-identified Leftists seem to be obsessed way more with Chinese billionaires than attacking their own. this. if you've ever wondered why i largely refuse to even discuss china this is why. even without getting in to how there's basically nobody who isn't in the sphere of the bourgeois or a literal spook doing any reporting on china, at the end of the day its just not worth discussing because at best its a distraction and at worst it just empowers our actual enemy, which is the rich people here.
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May 14, 2021 10:49
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It's well and good to believe in internationalism but the actual successful internationalists all started with establishing a worker's state at home first (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 14, 2021 14:30
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Ferrinus posted:"it doesn't matter from where we're standing, we should mind our own business" can be a useful way of skipping what you've judged will be an unproductive discussion or shutting up someone who'd be even more reactionary if engaged but it's not really a winning proposition in the long term. imagine someone trying to say that to you about israel, for instance (this is harder if you're in the states since israel is so much more your "fault" in that case but it's not like discussing the i/p issue should be off limits otherwise) However in a reversal Israel is basically a US client state, and as an American in America there is several ways I could potentially do real material harm to Israel and it's genocidal regime. Hell, I could theoretically physically do violence to Israeli lobbyists and politicians that work with them. What the gently caress could I do about China, if I wanted to do anything about them? Besides be a tedious dipshit that is. Larry Parrish fucked around with this message at 17:41 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 17:39
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's easy to have a political line on Israel/Palestine because there's a clear government policy that can be targeted which supports Israeli colonialism, like how the US unconditionally forks over billions in military and economic aid every year. What is the political line going to be on the US's relationship to China? That there should be sanctions? the dipshits who want Something To Be Done are either crazy and want to start an actual economic conflict or are insane right wingers who want communism crushed but couch it in polite terms like 'ending human rights abuses'. im sure somewhere in that dynamic there is room for the dumbasses but maybe I'm completely wrong and there is something we can do besides masturbate about how I only support the Real communists like DSA
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May 14, 2021 17:49
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He's a liberal, yes
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May 15, 2021 02:11
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Ferrinus posted:here's three classic texts on dialectics Shut up already
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May 15, 2021 06:02
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some plague rats posted:I just want to get paid and have some fuckin healthcare! I will not read a novel by some nerd whose adherents have accomplished jack poo poo in living memory. I don't need a philosophy degree to get that unionizing makes life better for everyone it's fun to pwn the ferrinus-types i meet in real life by asking what their specific plan to do something is, because the answer is always posting basically, and not something like trying to unionize their workplace or whatever.
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May 15, 2021 07:13
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he's actually right for once but I meant wordy dipshits who don't know anything besides books they've read, not really him specifically
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May 15, 2021 07:55
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https://youtu.be/CCg99EPJhdU
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May 15, 2021 17:09
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May 15, 2021 17:14
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Tardio
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May 15, 2021 17:24
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I admire how much this keeps things on topic. lol
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May 15, 2021 17:59
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May 15, 2021 18:41
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He's right. If you don't agree with me on China I'm going to genocide your bitch rear end.
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May 15, 2021 19:19
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Ferrinus posted:guy gets banned for defending child porn, entire SEP group dm immediately crowds into the thread to pontificate about how mods are all ableists, should NEVER use their buttons, etc https://youtu.be/V9O94UTDAJQ (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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