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indigi posted:wouldn’t Asian Americans technically be colonizers?? wow good point. you should go tell them this so they can fix the single flaw in their ideology.
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when someone spells it amerika with a k like that then you known that their politics are really good and that their spelling is phenomenal too
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self professed communist who thinks it’s good when the communists get purged
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I’m a communist Greg, can you purge me?
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lumpentroll posted:knowing you're poor(big asses) but thinking you'll be rich(small breasts)
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16 of the 29 full and candidate members of the bolsheviks central committee during the october revolution were either killed, assassinated, or committed suicide as a result of the purges. 8 died before the purges ever began. they werent an accident, they were deliberate and used to maintain power by an opportunistic clique led by stalin. unless you believe that zinoviev had plotted to kill lenin and kirov.
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lotta what i feel are mischaracterizations here but whatever, its not really important. more important imo is to stop treating "tendencies" as a thing, the way they are discussed online is and itt is almost totally divorced from the actual political situation as it exists now. SA and SEP (the WSWS people) are both technically trotskyists, but to compare the two organizations as being similar in almost any concrete way is absurd. look at all the different caucuses in dsa, many of them can be lumped together or pitted as against each other ideologically but then support and follow through on the exact same political program. CPN are generously social democrats, some of their leading members work as campaign staffers for democratic politicians, some of whom arent even supported or endorsed by local DSA chapters, bread and roses call themselves marxists though people will argue that theyre trotskyists or social democrats, etc. emerge in NYC talks about communism and from what I know could maybe be seen as what most people would describe as MLs, but all of them together fundamentally agree about the way DSA operates currently within the democratic party, theres no disagreement between them on the issue. those are just examples, theres plenty more, but its pretty divorced from any actual struggle to try to debate these nebulous ideas and reduce stuff down to "trots want the revolution to go on forever and dont believe in wielding state power" when there are clear historical examples but more importantly recent and current examples that demonstrate thats not true. the labels are often just a form of identity that people want to latch on to and generally speaking, if im talking with someone and they want to talk about tendencies and whats this one or that one and what are you thats usually a red flag (the bad kind) that theyre not really interested in being a serious political actor. not always, but often its the case. basically political discussion has to be rooted in the actual political debates that are relevant to the class struggle as it exists and the formations engaged in those debates and actions currently. much more productive and clarifying when thats done.
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Yossarian-22 posted:I mostly agree with this. It's mostly performative LARPing agreed but point is it’s not because of their ideas about kronstandt it’s because of how they organize or fail to do so currently and my experiences of where their ideas fail in a tangible way. whole reason I am where I am politically is because the people who showed me how to organize effectively are trotskyists and when I put those ideas into action they worked while I saw those around me using other ideas fail. the reason I became a trotskyist is specifically because of how I witnessed trotskyists winning state power and utilizing it in ways that advanced class struggle, both in ways that I saw no one else doing as effectively anywhere else.
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sep literally campaigned in Bessemer and other places to vote no on the union. can’t even begin to go into all the other bonkers positions they hold. lumping the sep in with even left voice let alone Sa or one of the dsa caucuses like bnr is totally divorced from actual politics and again shows how useless it is to debate “tendency” in the abstract compared to tendency in the concrete as in what organization do you represent and what is their political program.
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sep campaigned to vote no on the union, while Sa campaigned to vote yes on it, both clearly mistaken and wrong positions and their mistakes can be traced back to the rot of Trotskyism which began during a fateful 15 minute speech at the 1905 party congress of the rsdlp...
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ToxicAcne posted:Non-western Trots seem to be much better about the anti-imperialism like Tariq Ali or CLR James.  https://www.google.com/maps/place/T...03!4d-61.222503
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imagine posting in this thread and being more reviled than the actual trotskyist who posts in it lol
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a Loving Dog posted:lmfao at editing out the word. thanks for protecting me from seeing it, mods. working your asses off! im going to imagine its an even worse word  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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the reason people want to talk about china now and over the past few years is because there are major world events happening there, just like right now people want to discuss the situation in israel/palestine. the solution though isnt to dismiss those things as unimportant. you have to have a program that speaks to what they care about and moves them to act. its important to be truthful to people about the situation and why its bad, while also making it clear that the US involving itself would only make things worse, as the US government doesnt care about the people of xinjiang and actually has been complicit in whats happening to them and other minorities in china and around the world as well. you have to make the case that the best way to help the people in xinjiang for example, is to organize where youre at and oppose the US ruling class which works in collaboration with the ruling class of other capitalist states to oppress their people. have to help break the illusion that us state intervention would in anyway help or aid the people of anywhere because it wont. the frame of reference for what your position should be on any issue should be informed first and foremost imo by the question of "how can i talk to my coworkers or neighbor about this issue in a way that will lead them to drawing a socialist conclusion or elevate their class consciousness?" if youre thinking about any issue without trying to find the answer to that question and then actually put the answer into effect then its a waste of time.
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ArfJason posted:*looks at it* petite indeed
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I hate that so many socialists refer to it as theory instead of just books. it has this implication that it’s more than just reading a book and then also trying to apply what you read to your work. it also always fetishizes books written by marxists who are called that because they work in academia and write academic books about marxism and not people like Jane mcalevy who isn’t a Marxist but whose writing and ideas despite some shortcomings have way more value to any actual work marxists would or should be doing
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marxism is like a computer
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yikes sorry folks im with apropos now this like one of those twilight zone eps where the protagonist gets what they wanted, but theres a twist
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me: i had the most horrible dream, it was 2021 and people were still defending stalin wife: there there, it was just a dream. you know everyone in reality is a trotskyist? me: really? oh thats such good news wife: now come on honey, lets go hear all the great things chairman david north has to say in his review about roman polanskis latest film "Lolita 2" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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