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A big flaming stink posted:hot take, but consider this: the vast majority of suicidal people literally have a problem with their brain. I'm willing to disrespect the gently caress out of consent if it leads to more living happy people, and stopping people from killing themselves tends to do that. You're just an anti-death bigot. EDIT: To elaborate, I think the rhetoric defending the right of non-terminally ill people to kill themselves as some sort of good and noble cause is pretty bizarre. At best it's a loving tragedy, something you should support reluctantly, not something to compare to the civil rights movement or gay rights. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Mar 26, 2016 |
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Can you find a less obviously stupid argument than the constant comparison of people who want suicide to gays and communists? People didn't imprison those people because they wanted to save their lives, they were imprisoned because they were despised by society. If you think trying to stop suicide is comparable to trying to "cure" homosexuality or force someone out of a political ideology I don't know what to tell you. Guavanaut posted:We've seen how much good throwing addicts into prison does at creating more living happy people. You know what else tends to be bad at creating more living happy people? Literally killing them. Like I understand that determining when to commit people to a hospital for mental issues is a very tough issue but to say that just letting them die is more humane defies comprehension. Do you not view death as an inherently bad thing? That's the only way I can start to make sense of your view here.
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OwlFancier posted:It manifestly isn't in many people's view otherwise they wouldn't kill themselves. Yeah I agree there, I don't think our current approaches are exactly productive and the best way stop suicide would be to try improve people's lives first rather than resorting to draconian laws and the criminal justice system like we do for everything. I just think that literally comparing consent in the context of suicide to consent in the context of freed slaves, gays, and communists is patently absurd since none of those things involve harm either to oneself or others. I think that suicide is a bad thing that we should try hard to prevent but I would stop short of the "by all means we have available" part because as you said that can lead down a counterproductive road.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Sounds like a desperate need for some tort reforms so that you can deny an addict another useless medical test which wastes everyone's time and money. Yet for some reason you don't oppose all of the "help" the criminal justice system provides drug users, even non-addicts who would otherwise have absolutely no impact on your life whatsoever. You're just another moralizing authoritarian who wants to punish the morally impure based on a completely arbitrary drug classification system.
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Apr 4, 2016 18:53
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My Imaginary GF posted:Using heroin is a crime. Don't like it? I'd recommend you lobby Congress to change the regulatory framework. Failing that, man the gently caress up and be a law-abiding citizen or get enough funds through your hard, stable work to pay the penalties. To reiterate, if you weren't a hypocritical authoritarian piece of poo poo you would care about all of the law enforcement resources being wasted on drug users, including non-addicts. What happened to the fiscal conservatism you were displaying a few posts ago? Medical tests for addicts are "bankrupting" our healthcare system yet the completely pointless, counterproductive war on drugs we spend billions on is a nonissue? Not to mention that I could compile a long list of things that "bankrupt" our healthcare system more than that which we do not give people felony charges and prison time for. MaxxBot fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Apr 4, 2016 |
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MIGF thinks that all drug users, even non-addicts who don't harm anyone else, are subhuman scum. So nothing he says is going to make sense because his motivations when discussing this issue are entirely different than ours.
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It's almost as if MIGF isn't arguing in good faith 
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