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Jagchosis posted:wb i assumed after 7 months you werent coming back I mean, I wasn't, but then I saw MIGF was still here. And, in my beneficence, I decided that my servant leadership was needed. You're welcome. (also, a break was a good thing, but I genuinely missed you guys, what can I say)
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Feb 3, 2016 08:22
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Jagchosis posted:well fyi we now have a steam chatroom a fair number of people hang out in that zoux hates the very idea of, theres a link in the OP. OP also contains an image from when zoux said nutranurse wasnt really black and got banned for it twice in 10 minutes. good times you've missed. That is spectacular.
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Feb 3, 2016 08:31
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Matoi Ryuko posted:Welcome back! Hey thanks! Good to be welcomed back.  Foppery posted:Was I even posting when majorian bit it I think you were posting here. I had a stressful couple of months at work in the middle of last year, then had a temper tantrum and stormed off in a huff like the big retarded babby that I am. (over someone else's e/n thread. There is no greater shame) \/\/\/ hey Berke! \/\/\/ Majorian fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Feb 3, 2016 08:33
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Jagchosis posted:told you guys it was e/n and not us LOL, it was more real life being stressful than anything, but you guys were definitely lower on the list than e/n. Anyway, I'd better get to bed. Glad to be back!
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Feb 3, 2016 08:42
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Literally The Worst posted:tl;dr: magic is a retarded game for dumb babies Anyone here ever play the Star Wars customizable card game? Hoo boy...
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Feb 3, 2016 17:37
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Disinterested posted:Majorian which of the Democratic candidates do you prefer I've been a Sanders fan from the start, but I think the Republican candidates are all so incredibly evil and loathsome that I won't have much trouble voting for Hillary in the general. I'm also troubled by the whole "Bernie Bro" sexist nonsense that sometimes shows up on the internet, but luckily I think they're a really small minority that's just overly loud, and also the internet is terrible.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:39
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Trying to supplant the Mrs. in my life, are we, Effectronica?  Good to see you all, btw! Thanks again for the warm welcome.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:40
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Literally The Worst posted:you have a degree in some tom clancy bullshit lmao I know, and I've actually used it to publish poo poo and get hired. It's a good racket. Effectronica posted:Whoa, this is definitely shipping. Be careful, dude. Sorry, that pic of the Star Wars leads all smooching just gave me ideas.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:49
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Tesseraction posted:he would probably sign an executive order banning abortion, so there's that to be terrified of Berke Negri posted:not to mention immediately begin dismantling the ACA And can you imagine someone that manifestly slimy trying to negotiate with Putin or Xi Jinping?
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Feb 3, 2016 17:51
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Gravel Gravy posted:If we had to have a GOP president what would everyone prefer at this point? It's tough to say, because even if it were Paul and he tried to govern but Congress just ignored his loopy ideas, you'd still have a far right-wing Congress running the show. I almost think Cruz would be best, since he's so hated by both houses that they'd be too busy constantly be sniping at each other to do any harm. But I realize that's wishful thinking.
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Feb 3, 2016 17:54
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Tesseraction posted:the first victim who knew there was polonium in it but was just so thirsty I mean, the Russians can make some pretty loving great tea...
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Feb 3, 2016 18:00
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Literally The Worst posted:you're a retard You're rude. Berke Negri posted:can someone please run down for me what bernie sanders positions on TBD. I think the hope is that he'll surround himself with people who have more concrete positions on these issues.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:13
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:noted piece of poo poo, Joe Voter Noted Sarah Palin proxy Joe the Shitvoter.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:16
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Popular Thug Drink posted:"but i want to drown them in love!" *a muffled amen comes from the crowd* "Please clap for that! Sniffle..." - Jeb.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:20
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zoux posted:another problem that i dont see brought up is that if you were going to craft a literal liberal strawman candidate for US presidency it would be exactly Bernie Sanders. Nah, Sanders has a spine. Also he's an adorable old grandpa, and Americans love that.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:25
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paranoid randroid posted:i legitimately do not understand why people interpret hillary as a raving lunatic who is just dying to destroy one of the hallmark FP cheevos of the obama administration, ie the iran deal I think part of the problem is that she's been pretty vocally pro-Israel so far, which doesn't mean that she opposes the deal, but still.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:27
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zoux posted:I trust Bernie to not be pro-Israel lol Eh, I don't know. I haven't heard any of his positions on the issue, but I get the feeling that he'd be less accommodating to Bibi and the Likud.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:28
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LorrdErnie posted:do you think this is clever? Paradol Ex reference.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:29
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sudo rm -rf posted:oh poo poo majorian is back Hey!  Volkerball posted:She doesn't oppose the deal. Her slogan on it is "distrust but verify." Her position isn't really much different from Obama's, but I don't know if she would've gone through the process the same way as Obama did. She takes pride in making enemies out of the Iranian government, and doesn't seem to have the naive belief that opening Iran to the world will lead to liberalization. Probably because she made an rear end out of herself supporting a protest in Iran as secretary of state like it was a persian spring, when the protests were dispersed within 2 days. Yeah, but that's still a dangerous attitude for a president to take IMO - especially since we really could use Iran as a non-enemy in the ME right now.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:37
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Yup and that's a big reason why professional Dems look at Bernie and just kind of cringe. What kind of dog whistles do you anticipate w/r/t Bernie though? euphronius posted:Hi majorian Hey yo!
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Feb 3, 2016 18:40
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Volkerball posted:we don't have that option. the iranian governments actions are a product of their political environment, not ours. To an extent this is true, but the Iranian government has gained a lot of traction over the years by playing up the West as the Great Satan, besieging the Iranian people. Demonstrating to the Iranian public, which does seem to want a more open society, that we want to start the long process of burying the hatchet will probably undercut their leaders. Also, the Iranian government's shown itself to be pretty realist and geopolitically canny. They're not just demagogues or ideologues. One can deal with them.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:43
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zoux posted:and then play the tape of him saying that verbatim I don't think so. He's non-observant, but I think he's "spiritual, not-religious" or whatever.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:45
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Berke Negri posted:the idea that bernie looking like someone's weird frumpy grandpa is a plus is definitely one of the stranger things to me Makes him seem less dangerous. Volkerball posted:you can tell it undercut their leaders since 99% of reformist candidates for the assembly of experts and parliamentary elections this month were disqualified behind closed doors and there's not a thing anyone can do about it. Similar things happened in the USSR not long before it collapsed. I'm not saying an end to the Iranian regime is around the corner by any means (their economy's not imploding at the moment), but I also don't think it makes sense to read too much into that.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:47
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zoux posted:well thats good because the only thing that polls worse than socialism is atheism In all honesty, I think his being a socialist would be less of an issue in a general election than it would have been in the past. My grandparents are conservative Evangelical Christians, but they find the Republican candidates so grotesquely evil that they've outright said they'd vote for Sanders. I think the fact that Sanders seems willing to say, "Yeah, I'm a socialist, so loving what?" helps. So often, Democrats respond to charges of leftism with "Uh what? N-no I'm not!"
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Feb 3, 2016 18:50
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zoux posted:yeah well youre wrong I fully admit I could be! Who knows, maybe he would go down in flames if he got the nomination. But that's still very unlikely, and I think his being in the race is a good thing for the Dems. So I intend to keep supporting him. Berke Negri posted:you say that but it doesn't mean anything to me I think it could make the difference between a lot of disaffected conservative voters who don't like any of the GOP candidates not turning out to vote against the scary socialist.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:53
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Volkerball posted:Similar things have happened in Iran for decades. Well, yeah, but we also kind of played into their narrative of the West besieging Iran, the last true bastion of real Islam for that whole time, haven't we? It seems kind of silly to me to oppose the Iran deal on those grounds. LorrdErnie posted:yeah it seems to me that the american electorate definitely hates cowardice Exactly. As much as it galls me to say it, Willa Rogers was 100% right on this.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:55
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Berke Negri posted:that's not how republican voters think I mean, maybe not, but I'd be interested in hearing how they do think, in your mind.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:56
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Berke Negri posted:for the second day in a row i will say, but something out of a hieronymus bosch painting I think the Republican primary's only going to get more ugly, and a lot of usually-GOP voters are going to stay home during the general with hurt fee-fees. But I guess we'll see.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:01
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Volkerball posted:to a degree, but that's kind of irrelevant. i think it's pretty clear the majority of the iranian people, particularly among the massive generation of youth, don't see the world through that lens, and haven't for a while. but the government doesn't reflect that change in perspective, and can ban anyone from running for office on a whim. I get what you're saying, and for the time being it's 100% true. But I do believe that over time it will create more cracks in the authoritarian, anti-democratic structure. That doesn't matter as much to me as how the deal affects Iran's role in geopolitics, though.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:06
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nutranurse posted:flus are the worst Hey nutranurse! Sorry you're feeling lovely.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:07
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fishmech posted:yeah you seem pretty mad about the fact that you aren't in the base, but want to believe you're in the base, appalachailure Oh fishmech...I think I missed you most of all!
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Feb 3, 2016 19:10
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Volkerball posted:It could, but then the question is, what happens when those cracks form? Can change be had peacefully through reform, or is the government incapable of it? I think in this case we can look to the examples of the USSR and China. If the government's incapable of reforming peacefully, it risks a popular revolution. If it's capable of it, it becomes more like China, where it's still authoritarian and anti-democratic, but less so. The fact that the Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council have allowed things like the nuclear deal to pass suggests that they're capable of heading in the "peaceful but super gradual reform" direction. quote:And in either case, are we actually empowering the regime to protect its establishment by allowing them to diversify their economy and free themselves from military sanctions? If we are, then it's actually counter-productive to the end goal. They just got $100bn in unfrozen funds because of the deal. That can go a long way towards investing in a more competent police state. That's certainly a possibility, but a couple points: A, that seems like it would be a bad move when they want to reengage with the rest of the world. B, I still think it's a worthwhile risk if it stops the Iranian nuclear weapons program dead in its tracks. C, it's also a worthwhile risk if it helps keep Iran from acting as a spoiler in places like Syria and Iraq.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:17
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Effectronica posted:it's pretty hosed up how the statue of liberty is meant to represent the solidarity between the revolutions of the late 1700s but there's no haitian element To be fair, I'm pretty sure when the statue was gifted to us, that was when France was also insisting that Haiti pay its massive debts and subject itself to more than a century of crippling poverty. Yaaaay France.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:20
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euphronius posted:Maybe the USA could leave Iran alone and worry about itself. Idk. Impossible. Increasingly globalized world, Iran is a powerful actor in the ME, etc. nutranurse posted:i want a comic-history-melding where toussaint louverture becomes black panther somehow Would Dessalines be the supervillain? If so, sold. I've been keeping a pretty close eye on the situation in Haiti right now btw, because some of the nonprofit's volunteer doctors are planning on going there soon. I'm tasked with deciding whether or not they should, you know, postpone their trips. I'm kind of thinking they should.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:24
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euphronius posted:So you'd be ok with Iran overthrowing Obama and installing a king. Nah, I'm not okay with any of it. It's just the lovely reality of geopolitics right now.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:26
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euphronius posted:Lol I don't know how you could not find what I said inspirational or enthusing.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:27
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Volkerball posted:They don't. The Supreme Leader banned any further negotiations with the US and they blocked any reformist candidates who would be open to that sort of thing from running, as well as purging people in Parliament who supported it. I dunno, I think you're reading too much into what goes on with them internally. Iran has a history of having a foreign policy that does not match their rhetoric, or the positions that their leaders openly espouse. I get that the nukes issue doesn't motivate you as much as it does me, but still - removing a proliferation risk from the map is a really, really good thing. We'd probably better take this to ME Chat though.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:32
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nutranurse posted:hey man they really wrecked poo poo back when they were ruled by the sassanids Sassanid art is ridiculously pretty.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:35
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Volkerball posted:a hippy crack hole is where you sit around doing whip its, and i imagine talk about really naive foreign policy perspectives. Can't say I'm much of a crack aficianado, but I don't imagine one commonly discusses foreign policy while on it.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:37
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