ZDar Fan posted:

It was weak in the way that pilots are, but I'm hoping that Darvill, Routh, Miller and Garber are enough to keep me watching. Frankly, just about any show could benefit from Wentworth Miller just hanging around and making snide remarks an smart-rear end comments. The biggest problem is that they do a lot of telling instead of showing how powerful and evil the villain is. "Macho Man" Vandal Savage isn't very compelling or intimidating so far.

Robot Hobo posted:

He's flat-out explained as much to Barry in the past. He's never been in it for the money, though Money's also nice. He's all about the thrill of being a criminal, outsmarting the authorities, planning heists, getting into fights... it's what he lives for. That was when he was just a regular crook going up against plain ol' cops. Now his world is filled with super technology, homicidal pranksters, and an opponent with abilities that make him almost godlike. From his point of view, it's the world's best playground.


Hell, he even relishes being a comic book villain when he's doing something objectively good.


Is it wrong that Snart is the person on the show I who I can sympathize with the most?

Xelkelvos posted:

If either of them were really clever, they'd prepare trusts or caches or something for themselves when they revive, all across the world since they're quasi-immortal. That way they too could build up an arsenal when they inevitably come up against Savage and don't have to start from essentially zero in terms of everything but fighting ability.

lotus circle posted:

If the Time Masters don't have an issue with an immortal dictator conquering Earth, then I guess they wouldn't have an issue with some rear end in a top hat with speed powers rewriting time and causing a singularity.

Honestly I question how much Rip would care if his wife and son weren't directly murdered by Savage.

Whizbang posted:

No, Stein has definitely been inside him.

tsob posted:

I'm assuming with the crossover's mention that he's always the first to realize his nature and always finds her combined with the fact she took so long a while to come around to him and survived his death for once will mean that yea, they'll play up the reverse angle they've had so far and that Kendra will be the creepy one on about destiny and trying to make him remember everything. Which is actually kind of interesting in that it'll at least give them each more range to reach for.

muscles like this? posted:

To be fair, it's kind of hard to actually demonstrate immortality. Watch as he NOT AGES.

Binary Logic posted:

"In 2166, an immortal tyrant named Vandal Savage conquered the world."

This isn't fanfiction, it's the first line spoken in episode 1 part 2.

and the team's biggest fault is that they're trying to use their comic book superpowers against Savage directly. What they should really do is knock out all his support first - destroy (or steal) his financial network, infiltrate and overrun or turn his 'army', etc.

Kesper North posted:

As Binary Logic points out, it's a deliberate homage to how big action scenes tend to look in comics.

Xoidanor posted:

Burning_Monk posted:

I don't know. Ray and Rory seem to be developing some serious guy love.

Jack of Hearts posted:

It's too bad Flash has so little to do with this show, the Russian lady was exactly the right levels of hot, crazy, and Soviet to be turned into Lady Flash.

TyrantWD posted:

, but for the cost they could probably pick up another single titular hero show that would almost certainly deliver better ratings.

ShakeZula posted:

I'm familiar with the phenomenon, I just think it's a little bit of a overstatement on this case. We don't obviously have game tape to determine whether his success was due to athleticism or masterful pre-snap reads and adjustments, so I'm inclined to take the show's word for it.

ShakeZula posted:

Oh absolutely. The show is still great though.

boom boom boom posted:

A dude shows up, shoots some dudes, Sara says, "who's this guy?" Rip says, "A man who loves peace so much, he is willing to fight for it!"

boom, done.

XboxPants posted:

Well, I suppose they don't have to replace the entire cast every season. And they're constantly introducing new heroes in these shows. Coming up just within the next few weeks between the various series, we have Vixen, Jonah Hex, and Red Tornado. They've been working on Mr Terrific for a while and can pull that trigger at any time. Wildcat's still alive. They could give Jesse Quick some Velocity-9. If they've decided Suicide Squad characters are allowable, that's a bunch right there. And that's just hero characters. If a crazy flamer like Heat Wave can be included, then I think Slade or Anarky or Peek-a-Boo could get in too.

Narcissus1916 posted:

We have the power to travel through time! So let's spend half the season going to europe in the 70s and... the USSR in the 80s.

Yeah, that's totally what we wanted. Here's hoping next week isn't a total cock-up.

Bad Moon posted:

It looks like blocking, where you wouldn't go full force.

Rhyno posted:

Wrong thread but bravo.

Tiggum posted:

Yeah. We have no sense at all as to the shape or direction of his plans. If he's manipulating events to further his goals, he's doing it in a way that is invisible to the audience. As far as we can tell, he may as well be doing nothing. He's got loyal followers, but what do they do? He defected to the Soviet Union, but why? What did that get him?