Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Locked thread
Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Popular sovereignty is what the United States is nominally about - the state is a reflection of public will through democracy -rather than the Eurasian system of an individual/family's will directing society without recourse.

Human societies just tend to default toward authoritarian sovereignty and this is part of why our global civilization is such a mess.

If the United States renovates itself, rediscovers popular sovereignty to have libertarian socialism in one country - it could then radiate across the globe. Especially if part of this system of government is open source software that any nation can adopt.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

les fleurs du mall posted:

you mean bitcoin?

No, more like linux, the software behind Uber, or Wiki.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
The American highway system and the world wide web both have different measures of 'sovereignty'. There are 'rules of the road' and 'protocols' that allow for a measure of freedom for individuals. I use a dashcam because I think a new kind of objective law and justice is possible if enough people seek change in themselves.

That is always the issue of libertarianism - the individual is a minority of one and billions of them can never be satisfied.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

blablablabla posted:

Not in eve online

Griefing in the service of liberty is no vice

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Squalid posted:

I disagree, at least by any reasonable definitions of society and authoritarian. One need only look at the communal social relations prevalent among modern-hunter gatherers, for an easy counter-example. Individual freedom and autonomy are important values in many cultures besides America. For example a fundamental principle among the Arab tribes of Yemen is essentially "nobody can tell you what to do," and any Sheikh who thinks he can dictate to his people what they can or should do is bound to find himself deserted by his supporters.

A common feature of many tribal systems of governance is that the more power one segment accumulates, the faster it splinters into new and separate factions. Edmund Leach observed a cyclical process of state formation and dissolution in Highland Burma, with society fluctuating between states of extreme social stratification and egalitarianism, depending on circumstance, and with each phase holding within itself the seeds of its own destruction.

True, I was focusing exclusively on modern industrial/bureaucratic states with that statement about society. But assuming modern telecommunications aren't going anywhere people won't have laissez-faire tribal organization anymore - some version of the western nation-state governs most of the world's people.

The Chinese 'Mandate of Heaven' idea actually combines popular and hereditary sovereignty. The Emperor is conditionally endorsed by the gods and the people.

Mc Do Well fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Jan 24, 2016

  • Locked thread