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Sounds like something I'd love, so I'll check it out. I'm just surprised they're able to do it while the campaigns are still going on, you'd think they'd still be tightly guarding anything interesting.
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Jan 25, 2016 09:30
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I just watched the first episode and it's great. Minimalist with the narration and sound bites, it gives you just enough to follow all the different narratives the media and candidates are making. It's also visually interesting just by virtue of being backstage, seeing rallies from unusual angles, and not using tripods. Different from how the candidates are usually presented. Two more points in its favor: it's very current, talking about stuff that happened just a couple weeks ago, and it's by the With All Due Respect guys.
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Jan 25, 2016 10:06
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I watched the second episode. It's about the GOP establishment logjammers in New Hampshire. The Showrunners reached the same conclusion I did, that every establishment person sees NH as their first step on the road to the White House. Even if the cameras and knowledge of who Mark and John are prevent real 100% candidness, it definitely feels a lot more real than you get from normal interviews. Like the part where Jeb is hurriedly walking by and Mark asks "how's the campaign going?" and Jeb says "it's great. I can't spin this early in the morning." I already feel like I know all the candidates they've featured a little bit better. ... except for Rubio.
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Jan 25, 2016 21:13
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i only saw the second ep, but it was pretty good. does seem a bit fluffy and nice to each candidate though
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Jan 25, 2016 21:15
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Gamechange was p. fluffy too, letting McCain look like just a confused old man instead of the bitter hateful turd he actually is. If you want a neat look behind the scenes this is good, and I like it for that, if you want hard hitting, yea, not the place for it.
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Jan 25, 2016 21:22
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These guys have a corner of the market that's for people that are already engaged. Who gives a gently caress if it's fluffy when their core market is armchair pundits like the posters on this board... which this guy either doesn't get or he really, really hates one of them (probably Halperin, he's clearly a bit of a dick) http://www.salon.com/2016/01/24/fear_and_loafing_on_the_campaign_trail_showtimes_the_circus_cops_out_with_cynical_pundit_porn/ I had to scroll past "Bernie Sanders is the Next Ronald Reagan" to dig this back up, Jesus loving Christ Salon
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Jan 25, 2016 21:42
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Game Change and Double Down are GREAT if you want character portraits of the candidates. The Circus feels very much in that style. Hell they managed to soften Ted Cruz, no small feat. Interesting that the only candidate to come off looking worse is Marco Rubio, who appeared totally disengaged and fake. Also, gently caress that Salon article. I'm a progressive and spent a bit of time working on a campaign, but there's nothing that makes me wince more than Salon. The clickbaity headlines, the straw man arguments, the weirdly righteous tone... ugh.
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Jan 25, 2016 23:08
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Yea just to be clear I love Game Change and Double Down and The Circus, just agreeing that it's their usual fluffy style rather than some big "WE'RE GONNA DIG INTO THE SHADOWS" bullshit. Shock of shocks, the dudes who mainly focus on character profiles rather than getting into the dirt are the ones who get to keep coming on campaign buses and poo poo. Totally agree that Marco looked terrible in his profile, even Cruz at least had a couple corny jokes that made me smile, Marco just kept up his candidate mask the whole time and it really showed. poo poo I even felt bad for Jeb with a couple of his 'god drat man he's TRYING' kinda moments.
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Jan 25, 2016 23:11
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Gamechange was p. fluffy too, letting McCain look like just a confused old man instead of the bitter hateful turd he actually is. in that movie telling someone she is like hillary clinton is considered a serious insult. its a movie directly placed within the republican perspective, which is not a bad thing
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Jan 26, 2016 06:44
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Three things to Note: 1) Ted Cruz actually comes off like a human being. I did think the "moment" with his father was a bit harder to swallow, knowing that he's called Obama a Marxist and all sorts of other insanities. 2) Man, Rubio does not come off well in these. At all. Even when he does a bit with his kids and wife, he's still so stilted and artificial. I know we all called Mitt Romney a stiff, but he shows more charisma than Marco. 3) The Clinton campaign must've really blue-balled them. No quick interviews with Hillary or any surrogates, just a quick shot of one phone bank.
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Feb 8, 2016 09:28
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Narcissus1916 posted:Three things to Note: The real thing with Rubio being more robotic is it's antithetical to his appeal. Romney was never an identity candidate or sold as an inspirational orator. Plus, Romney isn't a loving idiot like I've been saying about Rubio for MONTHS, and I took so much incoming. Boy, did I take heat. But now people can see that I was right!
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Feb 8, 2016 10:37
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I'm still watching this and it's still entertaining. Did anyone notice how the intro goatses you?
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Feb 22, 2016 07:21
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Interesting to see the Hillary campaign continue to blueball the show's coverage. Hillary and Bill did all sorts of fun things in Vegas while campaigning - rallys in the hispanic part of town, visiting with casino workers at 3 am - that you would think make excellent fodder for Halperin and Heilemann to hype up.
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Feb 22, 2016 09:22
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Don't they have some kind of bad blood with the Clintons?
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Feb 22, 2016 09:23
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Honestly, who doesn't?
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Feb 22, 2016 09:44
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This show is great. I'm glad this post made me aware of it.
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Feb 24, 2016 08:02
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I still really like the intro even though it goatses me. Just watched it in HD for the first time.
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Feb 29, 2016 08:53
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hurrrgh why don't people care about this show last week's episode featured what i consider the most candid interviews with DC GOP operatives since the Nixon tapes this week's episode will be better and it airs tomorrow
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Mar 14, 2016 08:34
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Aliquid posted:hurrrgh why don't people care about this show Yeah the last episode was really good. The intro set it up perfectly, the Kasich interview was great, and they even had Mitt.
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Mar 14, 2016 08:45
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Tonight's episode was fantastic, juxtaposing Nancy Reagan's words with the current state of affairs. And the last section with Trump's words overlaid with the video of bloodied protestors and cops... devastating.
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Mar 14, 2016 09:18
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Jewel Repetition posted:I still really like the intro even though it goatses me. Just watched it in HD for the first time. I was hoping the number of candidates would get updated in each episode, although still seeing it say "15 candidates" makes me smile and think of all the losers who have dropped out.
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Mar 14, 2016 14:57
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Jewel Repetition posted:I'm still watching this and it's still entertaining. Did anyone notice how the intro goatses you? No ring.
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Mar 14, 2016 21:09
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Narcissus1916 posted:Tonight's episode was fantastic, juxtaposing Nancy Reagan's words with the current state of affairs. And the last section with Trump's words overlaid with the video of bloodied protestors and cops... devastating. it's too bad that it's on a second-tier premium network instead of cnn or something, where it could actually reach an audience
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Mar 15, 2016 00:03
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WampaLord posted:I was hoping the number of candidates would get updated in each episode, although still seeing it say "15 candidates" makes me smile and think of all the losers who have dropped out. They might change it for the general, but I like the constant reminder of how stupidly big the field was.
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Mar 15, 2016 00:10
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Last episode was the best yet. They're really good at conveying the natural drama of this cycle.
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Mar 15, 2016 02:35
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Jewel Repetition posted:Last episode was the best yet. They're really good at conveying the natural drama of this cycle. Wait for the inevitable GOP Convention episode. No way they can cover all that in 30 minutes
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Mar 15, 2016 07:14
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does this compare with the jinx or serial? is there a big reveal about the murders? intrepid lawyers to be memed?
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Mar 15, 2016 08:22
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I'm still wondering if the lack of Hillary focus is because they can't gain access or if they want to capture Sanders' campaign before she (presumably) wins the primary.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:35
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Fidel Castronaut posted:does this compare with the jinx or serial? is there a big reveal about the murders? intrepid lawyers to be memed? In the most recent episode, a visibly disturbed Chris Christie drains a six-pack of Lone Star and then carves the cans into figurines
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Mar 15, 2016 18:36
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Narcissus1916 posted:I'm still wondering if the lack of Hillary focus is because they can't gain access or if they want to capture Sanders' campaign before she (presumably) wins the primary. was there a falling out after Game Change came out? it seemed like the two had a lot of access to the Clintons in 2007-08.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:52
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also just started the series thanks to this thread. Kasich is a lot more like Jeb! than this forum ever knew, apparently. The NH footage of him in episode 2 is just sad.
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Mar 15, 2016 18:57
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The best part of the series for me was in episode 7, all the GOP big shots are sitting around the table talking about what a Trump win would mean. They just look and sound so defeated.
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Ego-bot posted:The best part of the series for me was in episode 7, all the GOP big shots are sitting around the table talking about what a Trump win would mean. They just look and sound so defeated. In addition to seeing Trump as an electoral liability and an unreliable conservative on key issues you have to think that some of them are realizing that after Trump it might not be possible to keep blue collar whites reliably voting for low-wage low-tax policies anymore.
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Mar 15, 2016 20:46
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:was there a falling out after Game Change came out? it seemed like the two had a lot of access to the Clintons in 2007-08. Almost certainly. Game Change did not paint Clinton in any kind of favorable light
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Mar 15, 2016 21:12
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The crazy thing is that Game Change actually made me like Hillary more. It humanized her for the first time. Sure, I can imagine where it looks like a hit job.
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Mar 15, 2016 22:32
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lol at how much everyone hates Kasich's dadjokes
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Mar 16, 2016 10:34
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Good episode. I like how they edited Kasich's speech to show all the dad jokes and midwesternisms after hyping it up to be when he should seize the narrative. Also this week reminded me of why, and how much, I love Bernie.
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Mar 21, 2016 21:00
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Mark McKinnon was over at a Hillary rally here in Arizona. Had the chance to meet him! 
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Narcissus1916 posted:Mark McKinnon was over at a Hillary rally here in Arizona. Had the chance to meet him! Was he wearing the hat?
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