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Fruits of the sea posted:In any case, folks have been making a good argument for raising the price floor for indie games. I think indie developers will have more trouble with pretending the demand side of the equation doesn’t exist than major publishers MikeJF posted:As much as we complain about the big guys raising game prices, we do have to be honest that even AAA have nowhere near kept up with inflation for the last... ever. This isn’t something we have to admit and be honest about like it’s some harsh realization or like companies have been doing people a favor. Prices have been kept low because the market got a lot bigger with more competition for entertainment dollars. Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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Fruits of the sea posted:I wouldn’t mind AAA games reducing in scope a bit. We’re kinda getting diminishing returns as open world games grow larger and larger. Like, is it really a selling point that Skull & Bones has a larger world than all the Assassin’s Creed games? I didn’t even see everything in the first game Especially when everything is copy pasted quests Jackson Pollocked across the map. There's always something to do because there's a 1000 items to craft with ten upgrade levels each and god knows how many parrot tits my dumbass is gonna need this go around. This is obviously not subnautica at all I'm derailing like a mah edit- tiny timbs good point games is bigger than movies these days Shuka fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Feb 10, 2024 |
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Fruits of the sea posted:Like, is it really a selling point that Skull & Bones has a larger world than all the Assassin’s Creed games? Isn't that a sailing game? I'd hope it's a bloody big map. Lots space to sail in?
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Big news for underwater game enthusiasts: A new Endless Ocean game is coming to Switch. It ain't sci-fi, and it ain't spooky (beyond the natural terror of the deeps), but there's online multiplayer and it's cool and there's fish. The Endless Oceal series is very chill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlowSAO_zLk
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I'm not sure why you would make it multiplayer, but it looks like something I might like. Like Beyond Blue, which was basically the scanning part of SN. Enjoyable, but not much to it. Here's the Switch link for it. $50 https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/endless-ocean-luminous-switch/ OgNar fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Finished my OG replay and on to below zero. Below Zero is so close to a tremendous game. The base and vehicle design is great. They just needed to incorporate more open water and diversify the biomes a bit more.
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Sounds like you've forgotten about the above-ground segments already. Update us on when you've done them again.
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Serephina posted:Sounds like you've forgotten about the above-ground segments already. Update us on when you've done them again. Lol, my take on them is "meh." Just boring. I never hated them as much as some people.
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sometimes mtx is fine and yall need to lighten up, not every game with mtx is a gatcha slot machine addiction engine they can and have been implemented into games just fine though I admit that it's the exception and not the rule so it's good to again remember that afaik no one said anything about mtx in subnautica
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MTX are bad. They encourage negative behavior from developers - and practically obligate it from publicly traded developers. There's no point in defending it at any level or similar concepts in any industry. With the benefit of hindsight we as a society would have been better off if we had dragged Frank Lorenzo out of whatever office he was hiding in in the '60s and thrown him into the deepest, darkest hole we could find. There are some bad behaviors from businesses that you might personally be okay with. For example, If I know for a fact that I'm going to buy a game at launch I've got no problem pre-ordering and effectively giving the developer a loan. I personally have no problem with increasing the cost of games. Hell, There are four or five niche developers that could probably just send me an email asking for money and I would probably pay it if I ever saw it. I wouldn't give anybody poo poo for saying any of those behaviors are consumer unfriendly because they are. Subnautica is an exploration game based on the central theme "Corporations are exploitative and will always make the worst possible decision and you're literally better off swimming with weird tentacle sharks that can swallow you in one bite then putting up with their bullshit." That message hits a bit differently if they're also asking you to pay $1 for cuddlefish armor. It's wild that the whole thing comes from IGN just completely misinterpreting something from the developers that was, certainly, meant to be promotional. In a way it's probably effective marketing because, I bet you anything, it caught people's attention. Eifert Posting fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Feels bizarre having to explain how MTX breaks diegesis, in the Subnautica thread of all places
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Eifert Posting posted:Subnautica is an exploration game based on the central theme "Corporations are exploitative and will always make the worst possible decision and you're literally better off swimming with weird tentacle sharks that can swallow you in one bite then putting up with their bullshit." That message hits a bit differently if they're also asking you to pay $1 for cuddlefish armor. it should tell you about the cuddlefish armor after the game's AI tells you that everything you use is property of the corp and you now owe millions
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The above ground parts were fine except that I got lost in the snow plains area with the vents and diggy worm things, because I hated the controls for the hover bike. I fixed my mouse sensitivity on my second play through and it went a lot smoother. Below Zero also had the issue where even the sea truck with a few capsules could just outrun almost every threats so the terror of hearing the underwater roars turned into 'guess I have to double back before I pick up lithium this time'. Also the alien was kind of annoying. still liked the game though, especially the earlier shallow water parts and the floating islands were neat but there needed to be more that you needed to accomplish around there, I basically visited them twice and never again.
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:sometimes mtx is fine and yall need to lighten up lmao no
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Comte de Saint-Germain posted:sometimes mtx is fine and yall need to lighten up, not every game with mtx is a gatcha slot machine addiction engine Care to give some examples
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Frantically googling for good examples of microtransactions. The algorithm now serves you libertarian trash all the time.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Care to give some examples Wolfenstein 3D Tales of Maj Eyal Some other old games I can’t remember offhand. There’s a blurry line between abusive mtx and extra levels, expansions, character classes, whatever. The business model has always been there, it just turned to poo poo when publishers started experimenting with it in the 00’s E: honorable mention to games like Monster Hunter World that have tons of poo poo mtx but they are not purchasable or advertised in the game. You have to browse the game’s steam page to even be aware that they exist Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 22, 2024 |
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Care to give some examples warframe whatever the hell helldivers is doing right now seems fine? (I haven't played it) stupid loving hats in tf2 Like, honestly y'all. there's no indication that subnautica 2 is gonna have mtx anyway so it's a loving stupid thing to talk about in the subnautica thread
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They should put a bunch of fake microtransactions in subnautica 2 with content that they never actually made and and in universe currency that you can't actually get.Yngwie Mangosteen posted:Below Zero also had the issue where even the sea truck with a few capsules could just outrun almost every threats so the terror of hearing the underwater roars turned into 'guess I have to double back before I pick up lithium this time'. Yeah the creature design was extremely hit and miss and it's too easy to get a seatruck upgrade that basically makes you immortal. There's a perfect game out there incorporating elements of both of these titles which makes it a shame below zero wasn't just made as an expansion that added in-game elements to the existing title. I'm very optimistic about Subnautica 2, Hope they focus on variety and cohesiveness of the world and your interaction with it over incremental graphics updates or a super involved plot line.
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Warframe?!?!?! lmao Also we stopped talking about it, someone came to white-knight for the idea of microtransactions and brought it up again.
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Yngwie Mangosteen posted:so the terror of hearing the underwater roars turned into 'guess I have to
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LonsomeSon posted:Warframe?!?!?! lmao paypiggies gonna squeal and wallow. it’s what they live for, after all
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Eifert Posting posted:They should put a bunch of fake microtransactions in subnautica 2 with content that they never actually made and and in universe currency that you can't actually get. Let you earn in game two less than the lowest cost item.
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Eifert Posting posted:They should put a bunch of fake microtransactions in subnautica 2 with content that they never actually made and and in universe currency that you can't actually get. Whats weird is that shock upgrade was like that in early access during the original subnautica and it plus the more maneuverable seamoth meant you could literally dogfight a reaper and shock it to death. So they made it weaker but useable. I dont know why they changed it back in Below Zero.
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TrashMammal posted:paypiggies gonna squeal and wallow. it’s what they live for, after all DRG has fine mtx imo. Absolutely nothing in the game pushing you towards them, you can just buy them if you want to support the devs. I bought a cosmetic pack after playing for a couple hundred hours because I wanted to thank them for making such a good, generous game. DRG is so chill that you can play with mods to your heart’s content and still advance the various unlocks. I run an extra players mod so we don’t have to leave someone out if five or six people want to play at the same time, and none of the game’s progression systems give a poo poo. If the mtx finance Ghost Ship’s ability to keep patching and expanding a game I love, then imo that’s cool. I love DRG 
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there's a handful of games i wish had some way for me to toss them extra cash due to post-release support, like stardew valley & terraria, ghost ship did that pretty good with the support packs
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Sloober posted:there's a handful of games i wish had some way for me to toss them extra cash due to post-release support, like stardew valley & terraria, ghost ship did that pretty good with the support packs you can just buy more copies as gifts, I suspect
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General Battuta posted:DRG has fine mtx imo. Absolutely nothing in the game pushing you towards them, you can just buy them if you want to support the devs. I bought a cosmetic pack after playing for a couple hundred hours because I wanted to thank them for making such a good, generous game. This isn’t an empty quote we might be the same person. Drg is the first game I’ve gone out of my way to buy microtransactions for. It’s only cosmetics that you don’t even see because the game is in first person. I guess you can see the guns, but I honestly don’t even? I just wanted to support them for making such a great game and purposefully not trying to attach upgrades or new mechanics or seasons behind a paywall.
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If subnautica 2 can give me even the slightest glimpse at subnautica + barotrauma it could be one of the greatest games ever made.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Care to give some examples
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SHISHKABOB posted:If subnautica 2 can give me even the slightest glimpse at subnautica + barotrauma it could be one of the greatest games ever made. I just want to be piloting my sub in some dark hole in the world, using lights and sonar to slowly map the area, when something hears my sonar pings and starts clicking back with it's own. And now you're playing hide and seek with something in the unknowable gloom that sounds like this, only much louder and more immediately terrifying. Being able to scream at your team mates to 'turn the god damned lights off oh god it can see us' would be amazing. That or having four dudes in Prawns giving the Cave Reaper the ol' Marguerite sashimi special while Klendathu Drop plays over someone's hot mic.
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TrashMammal posted:paypiggies gonna squeal and wallow. it’s what they live for, after all I've been playing warframe for 6 years and have spent $20 on it (and I didn't need to), you might not like the game but the mtx model is incredible next to just about any other game in the ftp space. EDIT: This isn't the place for this discussion, I regret responding to it in the first place. Comte de Saint-Germain fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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On anoher noe, anyone picked up Pacific Drive yet? It's a very different type of game than Subnautica, but I'm getting some similar vibes.
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So many little foibles in the build engine that drive me nuts. I just want to use an observation pod in a hallway, I just want to put my lockers in a row.
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I just finished below zero and went back to the original subnautica. I played as far as I could in early access and finished subnautica after release. This time I'm stuck and looking on the internet is confusing me more: Every time I have done the aurora before I entered from the back without a propulsion cannon. This time it looks like I can't get through there any more. I enter after climbing and getting past lots of cave crawlers, there's a fire extinguisher and I use it to go in. Then I can't get into cargo bay 3. The internet says the only way to enter it is from the front but I've literally never done that before. Did this get changed at some point?
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I think the main entryway is by the engines in the back, you need a propulsion cannon though in previous releases you could get by without one with enough effort and time. There was also an entry around the bottom which led to the Prawn bay, but I'm not sure if it's still there.
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I'm fairly sure that on my recent playthrough I didn't need the propulsion cannon. Came in through the damaged & burning bits in the back as per normal, I think there's multiple ways in but if you do some catwalking while still on the outside you end up at a higher floor where I think you don't need anything but fire extinguishers?
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Yeah poke around the destroyed burning end and there are ways in that only require a fire extinguisher or some tolerance for pain.
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Propulsion cannon is always useful to have when wreck diving since at least 1 maybe 2 have objects you can move to go deeper in. And scouting outside the Aurora can usually get you the parts to scan to craft it.
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