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Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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I really liked it, but man I can't understand that detective's kid at all.

What did she do to get in trouble? I was watching with a friend and we both caught the snapchat thing, but her part was just "SsSsSSssSSssSsSSSsSSSSsSs SSS sSS SSS sSS".

Still, dug the show.

Haven't read the comic though, so that might be why I don't hate it as much as some people.

I had to laugh at last week's Supernatural when Sam asked Lucifer what he'd do after all this was over, and he just shrugs and goes "I dunno, move to Los Angeles and solve crimes?" :devil:

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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OH GOD THE SHOW IS IN DANGER!

ONE MILLION MOMS HAS ORGANIZED A BOYCOTT OF OLIVE GARDEN FOR BEING A SPONSOR OF THIS DEVIL WORSHIPING SHOW.

OH, HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE RATINGS. OH GOD.

:devil:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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I'm hoping it sticks around as well. I like the idea, and the show's lead is having a blast playing the literal devil.

I miss Forever as well. It was an awesome show that needed a second season, but from what I've read about what would happen in the second season, it might have not gotten a third. There was talk of a younger immortal love interest, as well as bringing Adam back as the main bad guy again.

As much as I liked the show, that's getting a little too close to Highlander and Richie sticking around for my tastes.

At least I have my replica of Henry's autopsy knife :ese:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Wasn't there a storyline in the comic where Lucifer made his own universe and dropped some aborted baby in there that grew up to be a god of some sort, and it killed a shitload of angels that went in to destroy said universe because it was not one of God's creations?

Cause yea, I can't really see that being marketed to prime time.

If you are going to take a stand on a show not being like the comic and how that ruins it for you, maybe pick either a better comic, or a better show, or a network that isn't broadcast. Something like the upcoming Preacher show maybe?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
Eh, I phrased it a bit badly. I meant "better" as in "better for TV/mass media adaption", not "better" as in "this comic is poo poo".

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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The second was pretty good until the writers just went from 0 to "WHAT THE gently caress" as far as the plot went.

They had no idea what they wanted to do, so they just started lobbing poo poo at the wall and hoping something stuck, unaware that even if it sticks, it's still poo poo.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
I kinda dig the empathy though. He could give a sweet gently caress all about humanity in general, but the people he's met and likes/interests him? Do not gently caress with them.

I'm thinking he sees the whole police involvement thing as a way to punish people (which he hasn't gotten to do since he left hell), and a way to punish sinners that might have escaped his punishment after death since apparently people in hell aren't being let in or tortured or whatever.

It's a win/win for him. He's not bored, he gets to still ~sort~ of do his job/calling, and he gets to irritate the poo poo out of black angel guy who's name I can't recall at the moment.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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I keep coming up with these intricate plot ideas based on either how the show starts or the title, and then I get sad when the plot isn't as nifty as the one I have in my head.

Last week's I assumed that the black angel guy (spacing on the name) had started somehow making deals with people/taking confessions/something along those lines to start screwing with Lucifer's abilities and make him wanna go home. Turns out it was just him covering for a psycho.

This week I see the title and think "OH poo poo SOMEONE IS MOVING IN ON HELL" and get excited at the prospect of a weird vaguely political demon vs lucifer kinda setup where someone is trying to take over hell since Lucifer is on vacation... and it's some pasty white kid with a poo poo accent.

Still though, loving the show.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Man, I am giving serious thought to making that coin he's always fiddling with at the bar.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
I'm digging the show. Loved the knives in the angel fight.

The PUA thing was hilarious though, as was the blown cover. I was incredibly surprised they showed the wing scars as bluntly as they did though. I remember seeing them an episode or two ago but I thought it would stay a background thing.

His reaction to saying "Please" for what is probably the first time in his life was amazing. Dude's got some acting chops.

My guess for the twist bit will be that the lead cop will be the only person that can hurt him. It'd be a neat plotline to have him become human though. I can only imagine the sheer amount of trouble a Lucifer who can get drunk/high would get into.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
The gay security guard was hilarious. Especially when he showed up to escort em out and just shrugged like "Sorry man".

I'm thinking the detective lady (god I am horrible with names on this show) is a nephilim.

She's talked about her mom, but I don't think she's mentioned her dad. It makes sense that another angel (or part) could injure one.

Plus, according to the previews, it looks like she's the only one causing him pain.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
I seriously thought it was Bela from Supernatural, but she's on The Walking Dead. Her and that actress can be twins or sisters.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
Kinda surprised we aren't getting people going crazy since they showed Maz's demon face in the last episode.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer

counterfeitsaint posted:

I hope that eventually when he asks some random person what they really desire that they give him a weird, heinous answer and completely catch him off guard, instead of just constantly like 'I wanna be da best!' or 'cheeseburger' all the time.

Eh, most people's deepest darkest desires are pretty much normal stuff. Either power, sex, money, or food.

I cracked the gently caress up at the model's being a cheeseburger though. That's a girl who has her head on straight :colbert:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
Well, he WAS going to go all devily on that chick, but then the detective shot him in the knee.

He is evil, but he's not psychopathic evil. He's pretty pro torture, he's just now looking for it to be justified, plus he's gotta do it before they die, otherwise they are out of his reach.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
So,based on the preview from last week, what do you think is in the container? My best guess? His wings :angel:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
I think he did, except they kinda glossed over it.

Basically, the way I took it was he was a rebel son, and took the banishment to hell as a punishment, but God meant it as a teachable job. Luci's ego won't let him move past his besmirchment.

Or, at least that's how Amenadiel looked at it.

Luci thinks it's all about him, Amenadiel thinks Father is infallible.

I kinda hope they didn't have him be the mastermind about the wing theft. It'd make sense though. He gets the wings, he sets up the theft, gets the doctor to throw him for a loop about redemption (which is going to be impossible without the wings), and sets him up for thinking of his inevitable return to Hell because there's no other hope for him.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
Well, to be fair, it's hard for black to glow and the dude's name DOES mean lightbringer.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer

Astrofig posted:

I kind of got the impression that he didn't do it himself----that it was more like they were forcibly removed as part of his punishment (hence, presumably, those nasty scars.) I do hope we get to see him with them on at least once though, if only for Chloe's 'oh loving poo poo he may be an actual angel what the christing shitfuck!111' expression.

counterfeitsaint posted:

He specifically said he had his sex demon cut them off when he left hell, which seems odd since losing wings is typically associated with the fall of an angel, and that means he was in hell for eons with this shiny, sexy things on his back. I'd like to see him with his feathery glowing white wings and scary demon face together. Maybe they look like leather scary wings when the rest of him looks like a demon though.

Nah, he said he had Maz cut em off, but didn't specify when. I'm guessing it was when he was first cast down and pissed off about it.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Etalommi posted:

Well no one has done any damage to him besides Decker and the angel. He's assumed that it's just him losing his powers, but his other powers didn't work on her either.

The door guy not letting them in for a bribe might be a sign that his powers are going away, though.

Nah, He didn't do the whole "look em in the face and ask what they desire" thing. I think he just had a regular old fashioned bribe ready to go and was kinda surprised the dude said no.

I'm honestly confused about the wings. On one hand, it'd completely be in character for him to burn them after finding out he was getting hosed with hardcore. On the other hand, it's ALSO in character for him to hold onto them and burn the fake ones, especially given that realization that if he randomly gets popped he's going back to hell, because he thinks he's losing his powers (or he is). Hell, throw in the idea that he was testing Maze as a way of finding out if she's loyal to him or not, and it's even murkier.

It kinda says a lot for the show that the character is complex enough to have something like this be questioned. I'm digging it.

I was happy with the ending where the guy got healed, but I'm wondering why. Seems like it's just odd to have a random dude get "touched by an angel", but maybe there's a bigger plan at play with Amendiel?

I was cracking up at how charming he was compared to Lucifer who just tends to be as blunt as possible, and getting a rise out of Decker.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Snak posted:

Yes but this isn't based on any of that.

The premise of this show is literally "Even Lucifer can bootstrap himself out of hell!"

He didn't so much bootstrap himself as he just decided "gently caress it, VACAY!" and hauled rear end to LA 5 years ago.

I'm thinking the cop healing is a plot, moreso than a "Oh, yea, I'm an angel" thing, because as mentioned before, he was willing to let people die in order to get Lucifer back and didn't really seem to care all that much. Maybe cop guy was in hell and Amendiel talked to him when he tried to escape?

Sets up a "evil partner hellbent on killing Luci's new bestie" AND it sets up a whole revenge angle based on the fact the shot guy's gonna wake up and be like "I GOT loving SHOT AND YOU INVESTIGATED ME? WHAT IN THE poo poo WOMAN?", maybe he made a deal to get out of hell to help Amendiel get his poo poo together so Lucifer can gently caress off back home to hell and he can swing back up to heaven and soak up some god rays.

That's 2 evil humans ready to kill Decker, and that's not even going into the random weird poo poo that a pissed off angel can do.

I did crack the gently caress up when they were talking about the saint being a fatty though. Shows they were bros :3:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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The only real downside to the wings episode was the display looking like a giant iphone case.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Holy poo poo. Those wings aren't real. I.e. not an actual prop.

2d print and cgi.

God drat that is both incredible and depressing.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Partially. The wing part he popped the feather off of was a prop.

The ones on the beach were apparently cardboard and more cgi.

I'm seriously impressed by the fx team on the show but god drat at the same time if those wings were legit props in the case that means that someone was able to make them, and that means there's hope that I might be able to swing it some day.

:smith:


Still gonna watch it tonight though. :devil:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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I was just kinda pissed because seeing the chemistry between the preacher and Lucifer, I was hoping he'd be added to the cast.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Astrofig posted:

Awww, Maze.....hopefully your next friend can legally drink.

Though I do wonder if she would actually have let the child drink that Scotch.

That kid was going for it before the mom snatched it away.

We need a combination of :allears: and :devil: for this show sometimes :)

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Nah, dude cuffed himself in front. Still a douche though.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
I have a feeling the coin is going to come into play in the next episode since we are getting into the whole "cop back from hell and set on killing Lucifer" plot.

I was actually really sad to find out it was only a half season. I dunno why but I thought we'd end up with an entire 22/23 episode run.

Here's hoping Matt Ryan can cameo in one of season 2's episodes. No need for lines or anything, just him having a drink at the bar in Lux would be amazing.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Lucifer straight up told him about his mortality in the wings episode.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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I think my favorite part of this episode was the guy completely believing Lucifer about what the coin was, no questions asked.

It's not like one of his titles is Lord of Lies or anything, just "Welp, ok cool" and that's it.

Thinking maybe that time in the coma done gave him the brain damage.

EVEN if it does turn out that yes, he wasn't lying, that is still one loving MASSIVE gamble to make at the moment. Not even a thought of "Let me just kill him and take the coin" or anything, just "Yup. I'm out!"

I love this show :allears:

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Don't forget, he also said that angels can't kill mortals.

Here's hoping for that dude's sake that he wasn't bending the truth a bit on that one as well, because I am pretty sure Amenadiel would gladly gently caress that dude up if given the chance.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Grimey Drawer
My hands down favorite thing of the show so far has got to be the model's deepest, darkest desire for a cheeseburger.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Oh, man. Between name dropping Mike Carey and Malcolm actually becoming a likable character, I am SO glad this got a season 2.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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The previews do look like the finale is gonna ramp up the OH poo poo factor by a few degrees.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Oh, he wasn't gonna kill him.

He was going to punish him. Angela can't kill mortals.

Don't mean he can't break various pieces off and make him suffer.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Fire is kind of the first step to technology, which would allow mankind to grow to a point where we could be possibly overthrow gods.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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It... well, sort of but the problem is that mythological Lilith was the mother of all demons with Cain. She was the first wife of Adam who wasn't subservient enough and got banned from Eden for being all uppity.

That puts her way past the timeline of when angels were first made.

drat I hope that the whole brother team up bit goes on for a while. These guys have some great chemistry together.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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I was betting on Cain cause he had that "We are so hosed" :stare: look, and it fit with his brother's reaction about "whoops, taking responsibility for killing these pesky mortals" speech.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Welp, Maze is missing and "Mum" is out, and if it is Lilith (aka mother of all demons), Amenediel is probably thinking "Oh gently caress I just had sex with her daughter and she is gonna be PISSED :stare:"

We kinda need a :stare: with a halo and a :stare: with horns to reflect the show properly...

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

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Enh... I dunno. If "Mum" ends up being Lilith, and Maze is a demon, she might just be the person that broke her out of hell.

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