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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Seems reasonable to me, I don't think anyone who's not neck-deep in the SV tech circlejerk bubble seriously believes that VR headsets or the App Economy is going to bring about economic and societal transformations as fundamental as heavy industry, electrification and chemical engineering

foobardog posted:

Logistics has seriously improved greatly since 1940, which while seeming like a difference in degree, becomes a difference in kind as it becomes available to more and more "average" people. This causes much quicker delivery of goods, and often opens up small businesses to near global reach. And when the payload is digital, it has become insanely accessible.

It really sounds as if he greatly, greatly underestimates what the tap of information from the Internet has caused, as well as being hyper focused on "average people". It's true that average people haven't done better, but that has vast more to do with neoliberalism and the move to a service economy than a stagnation in technology.

That also does not include increases in medical technology which has caught many diseases much earlier, and provided a more positive prognosis to people.

Your home may not be all that different, but the world outside is very different.

I would say the transformations wrought by the internet have already 'hit' though, you're not going to see massive increases in digital information going forwards


I didn't even click your link and I was going to make a post about anime. Great minds think alike I suppose

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jan 27, 2016

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icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


crabcakes66 posted:

Yeah the 50 million jobs and trillions of dollars of global economic activity it generates sure are nothing.

It also fits neatly under the 'stuff that's already happened' category

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


LogisticEarth posted:

The problem with saying "much of the progress since 1950 has been a refinement of old ideas" is that, that's basically been true for every period of human civilization at some point. It's an ongoing process. There's a whole host of ideas out there that could radically change society. From nano-materials, which could be bigger than the widespread use of plastics, to AI, to space-based technologies, and genetically engineered chickens laying pharmaceutically-enhanced eggs. When/if these bear fruit and are economically mundane by 2050, you'll have people looking back and going "well this was refining tech developed in the 1990's, it's not actually new.

I mean, I don't think we'll exponentially increase into a technological utopia, but we're far from hitting the ceiling here. Really, we just need WW III to come along so they can weaponize all this experimental poo poo, so that it can be later turned into consumer products for the ragged remains of humanity.

Ideas are less important than the structural societal and economic changes that accompany those ideas. Leonardo da Vinci came up the idea of airplanes and tanks in the 1400s, but that ultimately didn't have any effect on society. As Krugman says in literally the first lines of his review popular culture has imagined all sorts of ideas of what the future would be like but they didn't happen. Many of them are even technically possible but simply not economically feasible

I don't know if the implications of this are that awful but it's a very compelling point I think and saying 'boy you'll look stupid when we invent flying cars and sentinent AIs' almost misses the entire point of the book

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jan 27, 2016

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


ReadyToHuman posted:

Is GDP a sufficient quantification to measure the change in people's quality of life ?

Yes


You realize Paul Krugman, the guy who wrote the article in the OP, is a liberal, right?

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