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AB is a poo poo to Marshals, loses 'special privilege'. HAHA [/Nelson] http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/us_marshals_no_longer_allowing.html
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Looks like Payne changed his mind. https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/786570105295560705
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Oct 13, 2016 15:33
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His reasoning boils down to: "Whelp I didn't realize I was talking to snitches, this changes everything!", right?quote:“It has now been revealed that some of the inculpatory conduct and statements attributed to Mr. Payne apparently were made to confidential informants, a fact previously unknown to Mr. Payne,” Frederico wrote. “Had Mr. Payne and his counsel been aware of this basis for impeachment of the government’s potential witnesses, they could have evaluated the strength of the government’s case differently.” Also something about the plea deal in Nevada not being completely written out when he took the Oregon deal, but I am not sure how that's relevant. Late edit: aaaand here's the jury nullification talk. https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786648909430951936 TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 22:38 on Oct 13, 2016 |
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Oct 13, 2016 18:24
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Hah. https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786649513213595648 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786649772971008000  https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/786649868425015296
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Oct 13, 2016 22:46
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Holy poo poo, Shawna Cox is dumb. She insisted on taking the stand and playing her video of the felony stop. Hilarity ensues. http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_defendant_shaw.html quote:Harris showed the footage after the judge cautioned that it could be "quite prejudicial'' to both Cox and co-defendant Ryan Bundy with the risk of "underscoring to the jury that the defendants pick and choose which laws they want to follow.'' The video captured Cox telling Finicum to "gun it, gun it'' as he sped away from officers at the initial stop. quote:During a brief cross-examination, Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel stopped the video that Cox took and showed a screenshot of Ryan Bundy, who was in the back left side passenger seat of Finicum's truck, holding a revolver in his right hand as he hunkered down.
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Oct 14, 2016 03:31
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WrenP-Complete posted:The Finicums' ranch may not have been turning a profit and they themselves may have been living on the stipends. Finicum himself said that the ranch was barely making ends meet and that the foster kids were his "main source of income".
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Oct 14, 2016 15:00
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Here's an excellent piece on today's court proceedings, mostly involving Fry from Maxine Bernstein: http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_holdout_david.html choice quotes: quote:Fry said Finicum was the only person he had known at the eastern Oregon bird sanctuary when he arrived Jan. 8. He went there from his home in Ohio partly because he was interested in meeting Finicum, who he had been following on YouTube. He thought going to the refuge would give him a good chance to get out of the house and see what the protest was all about. quote:At one point, Fry said he was turned off by the anti-Muslim sentiment of two or three people at the refuge and scribbled a handwritten note on Jan. 23 that he was going to leave. quote:There was a heightened sense of paranoia, he said, because he thought agents were watching them with drones and cameras.  But then... quote:Fry credited FBI negotiator Marc Maxwell for convincing him to give up. 
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Oct 15, 2016 01:53
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^^I'll have to dig through those later, but I'll probably just be left with more amazement at the utter disconnect. I've known people like Lavoy and I've gone to church with them when I was still the church-going type. They honest-to-god believe they are doing the right thing and they feel emboldened because GOD. They will never be wrong. But they are typically very nice people outside of that craziness. I know some in this thread expressed dissatisfaction at Santilli getting his charges dropped. Amy Goodman is a good example for why this was ultimately a good thing, though. As background, Amy covered North Dakota pipeline protests and was arrested for trespassing. quote:In September 2016, an arrest warrant was issued for Goodman after she covered the Dakota Access Pipeline protests during which private security personnel unleashed dogs and pepper spray on protesters. She is reportedly facing criminal trespassing charges in Morton County, North Dakota. An arrest warrant was reportedly also issued for Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein and her running mate, Ajamu Baraka.] On the October 13th broadcast of Democracy Now!, Goodman announced her intentions to turn herself in to the Morton County–Mandan Corrections Center on Monday, October 17. She stated that she would be fighting the charges against her as a "clear violation of the First Amendment". The Committee to Protect Journalists issued a statement condemning the arrest and demanding that the charges be dropped. Steve Andrist, executive director of the North Dakota Newspaper Association, also expressed concern that a journalist was one of only two people from the day in question wanted for arrest, with authorities saying she was selected because she is identifiable on the video footage. I hope that Amy's charges will also be dropped.
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https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/788123795605168129 Interesting. I wonder why they didn't charge Payne with it. (Did they?)
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AB trying to be funny? https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788163454913748998 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788163681846632448 The trial seems to be about over. Jury instructions and closing arguments remain if I understood correctly.
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Oct 18, 2016 00:44
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Here's a pretty interesting article from OregonLive about the jury instructions and what it took to get there. Why is Shawna Cox allowed to have input to these instructions? Is this normal?
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Oct 18, 2016 15:20
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Knight's closing arguments are damning. I don't think this will go well for the bunch, at all.
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Oct 18, 2016 19:32
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I'm following Maxine Bernstein's and Amanda Peacher''s Twitter feeds.
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Oct 18, 2016 19:52
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Peacher's take on this was that RB is going for mistrial.
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Mr. Nice! posted:These are jurors from southeast oregon Wait, what? I thought they were selected from all over the place, but ended up being primarily from the greater PDX area? I seem to recall OPB pointing out the 'outliers', i.e. a juror from Hood River. Edit: quote:Four of the 12 jurors are from the tri-county Portland area. Three are from the Eugene/Springfield area, and others live in St. Helens, Klamath Falls, Baker City and Hood River. vv Ok I follow and that makes a lot of sense. Even the local Burns residents weren't nearly as sympathetic as the Bundys thought, so good luck with anyone from the rest of the state. TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 22:19 on Oct 18, 2016 |
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Percelus posted:the republican congress doesn't want the federal government loving with their grassroots supporters i guess Just look at where they are right now. Cultivating those outer fringes of their base has done, err, wonders.
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Oct 19, 2016 00:50
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Looks like Mumford's (RB's lawyer) closing argument was basically "a bloo bloo bloo you are the last bastion of liberty, plz don't convict my client for breaking the law, the government is mean".
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Casimir Radon posted:What are the chances of a verdict being delivered tonight? Ryan Bundy is giving his closing argument tomorrow morning, so...
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Oct 19, 2016 02:49
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Platystemon posted:But did the chili have beans in it? https://twitter.com/SueMoenius/status/788545396813488128
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Casimir Radon posted:Please, I could handle that one. He should be committed to the Asylum of Criminally Insane Robots.
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Oct 19, 2016 05:44
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cumshitter posted:Important detail about Mumford's presentation: according to the OPB podcast reporters it was four hours long. Mercifully with two short breaks.
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Oct 19, 2016 18:11
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Ryan Bundy continues to https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788778830152409088
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chitoryu12 posted:It seems like Mumford's entire defense seems to be debating whether or not the laws should apply to his clients because they're so upset, rather than whether or not they broke them. That's because no one, not even the defense, is questioning that they broke those laws. This is all Mumford's got. (The defense tried to argue some of them, but also did a great job proving themselves that they did indeed break those laws) Cox's defense: "I was just taking notes!" TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 18:49 on Oct 19, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/karinapdx/status/788812861485166592 You don't say.
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Oct 19, 2016 19:45
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Lol @ Medenbach's (?) lawyer Schindler: https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/788860512838619137 https://twitter.com/amandapeacher/status/788860626273566720 These guys are hosed.
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Oct 19, 2016 23:01
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lmao holy poo poo. https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/788953506732355584 The judge will just reject this, right? Or is she obligated to go through the motions?
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I am somehow fond of Juror 9.
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Yes, one jury for all of them. efb edit #2: It'll be next week at the earliest. https://twitter.com/karinapdx/status/789231963957698561 TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 23:34 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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I'm just gonna leave this here.... https://twitter.com/goblin_seimen/status/789153685356027905
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Oct 21, 2016 14:58
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Something related: The group that is fighting for returning federal lands to states has seen its membership drop dramatically. I really hope the Bundys see this and realize that they're in large part responsible for defeating their own goals.
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Nocturtle posted:I have to admit I'm a little annoyed he got what he wanted. I don't blame the police, as it's not like he left them many options. At best maybe they could have withdrawn and let him exhaust himself stumbling around in the snow, but that probably wasn't possible given their close proximity after Finicum got out of his car. It would have been amazing had they been able to taze him. Just imagine him in the court room, too. 
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WrenP-Complete posted:For those who don't know, that's from Fred Meyers, the approximate equivalent to Kroger in the PacNW. Recognizing coupons by colour - are you a grad student by chance? (Most of our grocery shopping happens at Freddy's, but my wife does it so...)
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Oct 23, 2016 02:17
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I'm the frustrated inpatient child.
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Oct 24, 2016 21:56
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Sentencing for Cavalier/Booda: https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/790996270009556992 Looks like any time he gets in the NV trial is to be served concurrently.
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Edit: Nvm, answered above. Thanks!
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So what does this mean? https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791003564415983616 Is it literally just that the jury wants to ask some questions before they make decisions?
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Thanks! Here are the questions: https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791021686946566144 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791021767384965120 Those both look very bad.
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So the judge agreed to question the juror behind closed doors with two of the defense attorneys and Knight present. RB didn't like that. https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/791055664516767744
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