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I'm glad one of them is dead and I hope they kill the rest of them
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Jan 30, 2016 08:10
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KiteAuraan posted:Nothing is ever going to happen, the last four will just freeze to death slowly out there and die of starvation. The stream will be one sad little nerd lying down and never waking back up. I wish. Either law enforcement will go beanbag the stupid babies (maybe kill them if we're really lucky) or they'll give up when they start getting too cold and hungry. Maybe if they get really stupid they'll try to make a run for it.
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Jan 30, 2016 12:24
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Mr. Nice! posted:Title 18 U.S.C. § 372. Conspiracy to impede or injure officer Someone has been killed. If charges are federal, I think they could get charged under felony murder. Criminal law is not my area of expertise though so I could easily be very wrong. E: I am. The Federal penal code does not include felony murder in the United States. Oregon penal code, however, does.
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Jan 31, 2016 04:00
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Okay I looked it up and apparently the Oregon felony murder statute only applies to specific crimes and I'm not seeing any way any of them could be applied to this case. Boooooo.
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Jan 31, 2016 04:05
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Philthy posted:I hope they bury him in a tarp covered coffin. I hope they posthumously draw and quarter him, since he's a traitor.
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Feb 1, 2016 04:26
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SweetWillyRollbar posted:I love how their "call to action" is for a "rolling protest", specifying that the true patriots don't need to bother getting out of their cars, leaving their big gulp out of reach, and marching. pretty sure most of them could still roll without a car
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Feb 1, 2016 06:54
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ThePeavstenator posted:Honestly just kill all white people in this country beginning with me. okay
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Feb 1, 2016 07:33
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KakerMix posted:Make it 'overweight bearded white people' and I'm down kill whitey
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Feb 1, 2016 07:47
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The Dark Project posted:Article about the hold-outs at the refuge has a great line from Fry's Dad - If my son did anything like this ever I would disown him publicly and contact him only to instruct him to kill himself.
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Feb 3, 2016 15:09
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Entropic posted:"States' rights to do what, precisely?" is always the important question. Then they usually admit that the issue was ultimately slavery but that it was the states' rights to decide whether slavery should be legal or not, and that therefore the war was fought to protect states' rights. And they'd be right, if not for the fact that the constitution of the Confederacy explicitly prohibited any state therein from abolishing slavery on its own.
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Feb 3, 2016 16:17
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Entropic posted:And also, basically every state that seceded to the Confederacy did so with a big fiery speech about how important it was to be able to keep owning slaves. It requires deliberate, willful ignorance to pretend the civil war was about anything but slavery. well yes but that doesn't negate the argument that the abolition of slavery by federal mandate (which never actually loving happened, that's also worth mentioning) would have been an overreach of the tenth amendment, and that therefore secession was necessary to protect states' rights. I mean there are plenty of legitimate points that do, two of which I've just mentioned, that just isn't one of them.
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Feb 3, 2016 16:56
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FuhrerHat posted:as stupid as the holdouts are im sorry to say that they've stayed long enough to actually be inspirational so long as they dont kill each other wrong. whichever one of those happens they will be completely forgotten within a matter of weeks. vague references of them will remain attached to republican talking points but completely divorced from anything resembling the reality of what happened, a la the benghazi attacks. their "sacrifice" will ultimately amount to nothing and will inspire exactly zero change in anything except the words on fox news teleprompters.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:02
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theflyingorc posted:The specific conflict being battled over was "do states have the right to secede". this is an asinine distinction to make. it doesn't add anything useful to any discourse on the conflict, and the question was already spurious in 1860 because the future of any republican state that can fracture any time the population has a significant disagreement should make the answer immediately obvious to anyone who honestly considers it as anything other than rhetoric for more than about a second. theflyingorc posted:Or if you want to be even more specific, white people being unable to deal with the idea that they weren't inherently nobler/better than black people, the economic issues are just a backdrop to the horror of considering all men to be equal lol, people in the free states were still foaming at the mouth racist and it was commonly believed that white and black people weren't even biologically related, and many who accepted that they are still insisted that black people were some distinct breed inherently more aggressive and less intelligent and civilised. they just didn't think any person should be allowed to own another person.
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Feb 3, 2016 18:21
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FuhrerHat posted:well.. heroes to other 'patriots' Yeah, I predict this bullshit will make exactly as much difference in society as those events did.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:08
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McNerd posted:Can you define "necessary"? Well presumably if the Federal government had actually tried to unilaterally end slavery throughout the entire country (which never happened, as I noted) it could have been challenged in court, like you suggest. But that never happened, not outside of the imaginations of Lost Causers. Since the response to this imaginary usurpation was secession instead of a legal challenge (hard to challenge a law in court when it doesn't exist), I'm guessing that the scenario played in their imagination is American soldiers riding through the south summarily executing slave-owners and unleashing their negro chattel to rape white women with Abraham Lincoln's approval. For the record, the tenth amendment is one of the least-cited, I think second only to the third. Even when the courts have ruled that something the federal government has done is unlawful, they have usually done so on grounds other than the tenth. So no, not "countless" times, not in courts in general and definitely not before the SCOTUS. TacticalUrbanHomo has issued a correction as of 19:14 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Feb 3, 2016 19:11
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Strategic Tea posted:I find it very hard to believe that the war was fought over slavery in the sense of any(rich white politician)one caring about the slaves. Wasn't it an ordinary case of a stronger power forcing its economics on its backwards neighbour? Just so happens the neighbour was dependant on slavery. (I mean not that there's anything 'wrong' with economic bullying as history goes; I'm not trying to demonise the north or anything). this is essentially accurate. of course the effects of the abolition movement can't be dismissed; they brought about the grass-roots changes at a local level one district at a time that eventually turned "the north" into more or less a block intent on eliminating slavery with the hammer of the constitution. when it was decided that all new states in the westward expansion would be free states, that was essentially the death sentence for southern slavery, since the inevitable result would be a supermajority of free states with the ability to vote in a constitutional amendment. but, it's still worth noting that while a lot of abolitionists were genuine humanists who understood the general equality of the races in the same sense we all understand it today (and if you don't, gently caress off), there were also an awful lot of them who were white supremacists who just happened to believe that slavery was an uncouth form for white supremacy to take. how much of the abolition movement was one or the other, I couldn't say, because the abolition movement itself is not something I've ever studied in-depth while the broader context of the civil war is.
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Feb 4, 2016 06:30
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Feb 4, 2016 06:41
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A Stupid Baby posted:Brown and his family were definitely hardline christian freaks, but he actually had a fairly disproportionate amount of non-christians and even atheists (fairly rare at the time, esp in KS) in his group. I think there were 2 atheist brothers in the group that ended up at Harper's Ferry. He also had financial ties to and a relationship with Emerson/Thoreau's group. Everyone knows about Harper's Ferry, but a lot of people are unaware that before that, John Brown fitted himself and a large anti-slavery militia with claymores and went around killing pro-slavery settlers in Kansas to prevent it from becoming a slave state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottawatomie_massacre just one episode in a largely undocumented spree of violence. dude owned.
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Feb 4, 2016 15:19
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A Stupid Baby posted:It's kind of hilarious that people were still using old rear end weapons just because there weren't always enough guns or ammunition. kind of, but probably on the less interesting side of historical episodes of anachronistic weapon use
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Feb 4, 2016 15:41
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I like how they are just hanging around and being in the way without actually doing anything. It's like the terrorist equivalent of pointing at someone really close and repeatedly saying "I'm not touching you".
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Feb 5, 2016 05:08
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lol. "if you thought I was done exploiting your son/brother/uncle/husband/father for my insnae publicity stunt after it got him killed, you were wrong!"
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Feb 6, 2016 13:19
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I keep hoping for some kind of comedic inadvertent murder-suicide taking place with the remaining dolts, but I have largely resigned myself to the Feds merely starving them out. pretty sure you become capable of hibernation if you're that fat
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Feb 7, 2016 08:07
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Bombadilillo posted:I don't know, Lego men arms are hard to keep held up. so are severely obese ones that never do any exercise, which might explain why he got shot
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Feb 8, 2016 07:22
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Did whoever edited this add "emphasis: casey's" because pro bono was in italics? lmfbo
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Feb 9, 2016 03:08
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Philthy posted:They are going to die in prison. I wish they would die where they are right now
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Feb 9, 2016 03:11
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thanks for misappropriating my uniform you pretend soldier shitbag
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Feb 10, 2016 13:05
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why is this even being discussed. it's uncivil. subversives like these should not be talked about by polite society, they shouldn't get court hearings, they shouldn't be seen at all by the public. they should just disappear off the face of the planet as soon as they're taken into custody.
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Feb 13, 2016 17:53
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and then when anyone asks what happened to them the government should just adamantly respond "who?"
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Feb 13, 2016 17:54
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FuhrerHat posted:^ sovietcit right here communists are a blight on the planet, though I do admire the decisiveness with which they quash dissent
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Feb 13, 2016 18:28
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Nigmaetcetera posted:10 to 20 years seems appropriate, not a bunch of goonish hyperbole about summary executions, black site torture, and public humiliation. anyone who openly defies their government is something worse than an animal. they should die and forever be forgotten.
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Feb 14, 2016 00:57
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Geoj posted:Yes, this. that wasn't even a protest of any kind. it was police raiding a housing commission to serve warrants, which resulted in the police getting shot at. the last time brown people in america tried anything like what these guys did was the california state capitol stuff with the black panthers back in, I think, 1970. except the black panthers in that example were actually protesting something and had a real agenda besides "me and people like me should be allowed to break the law whenever we feel like it for reasons we won't try to elaborate on".
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Feb 14, 2016 04:04
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Cover my Eyes posted:Damnit, go to work for a couple days and this thread blows up. Now I have to play catch-up. no you don't. the four holdouts turned themselves in after several days of talking to the FBI and, I think, some random state legislator from nevada? there were some uploads of the audio posted so find that and listen if you're interested but otherwise there's not anything particularly compelling in the last sixty or seventy pages.
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Feb 14, 2016 04:16
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Geoj posted:I think you'd be hard pressed to call the Oregon situation a protest of any kind either. Right, that's why I instead described it as TacticalUrbanHomo posted:"me and people like me should be allowed to break the law whenever we feel like it for reasons we won't try to elaborate on". quote:The MOVE fiasco is the closest analog we have to non-whites staging an armed standoff 
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Feb 14, 2016 04:26
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Geoj posted:The Black Panthers' protest at the California State Assembly was not a standoff. They violated no laws, didn't make any absurd demands, they didn't shut down the state government or threaten to shoot law enforcement if their demands weren't met. The only similarity between the two is people with guns on government property. That's all true, but the local law enforcement apparently didn't see it that way since they arrested all of them. And that is the action they took, arrest, not summary execution.
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Feb 14, 2016 04:39
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Geoj posted:Do you think the same thing would have happened if the Black Panthers had issued threats to shoot anyone opposing them, or to shut down the state assembly until their demands were met? I don't know, but since we don't have an exactly analogous example I think this is a much fairer comparison than using the example of people in a housing commission shooting at cops trying to execute arrest warrants on the premises.
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Feb 14, 2016 07:21
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FuhrerHat posted:ok i dont like this its bad but why should this validate some public opinion that these people are traitors that should be hung it is if the thing you believe in is the obstruction and destruction of your own state it's not like these people actually had any meaningful criticism of how the government works or something it's doing, they just hate the state and think it's bad and shouldn't exist. I have a feeling that if they got their wish for a lawless wasteland and found that they aren't the badass barbarians they think they are then they'd change their minds, but that's besides the point.
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Feb 14, 2016 14:04
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VikingSkull posted:people also forget that the 4 people who were left actually did take pot shots at what they thought was a drone but was more likely a piloted plane same except the three greats and instead of getting hung for sedition he was murdered by jews
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Feb 14, 2016 15:27
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Alan Smithee posted:"moral" defense anyway Kent Hovind, the anti-education evangelist who made millions of dollars lying to kids about science and then went to jail for refusing to pay taxes on it, defended himself from this criticism by saying "The Bible does say 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's', but it does not say 'render unto Fred what is Caesar's.' Find where it says that and I'll pay."
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:My bf grew up in a super-evangelical family and went to an evangelical school and instead of Bill Nye they had to watch Kent Hovind and I'm just like "I'm so sorry that's incredibly sad" and gave him a big hug well he's in jail rn. to work this into the topic, kent hovind tried a bunch of sovcit poo poo during his appeals and all it got him was a transfer to supermax. also I've watched hovind's anti-education material and it's just hilariously wrong. I went into it expecting him to actually talk about evolution and repeatedly assure the audience that it's "just a theory" or some other poo poo like that, but no, he spends about an hour lying about what evolution is, and then proceeds to lie about reality to disprove his fictitious version of it. TacticalUrbanHomo has issued a correction as of 02:25 on Feb 15, 2016 |
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