The government didn't do anything wrong at Waco

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boom boom boom: Jun 28, 2012; by Shine

I was reminded of this by that Oregon militia thing that's going on.

The Branch Davidians were a crazy cult led by a psychotic pedophile. They were never gonna surrender, and it's their fault those kids died. People who defend them are idiots.

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BONGHITZ: Jan 1, 1970

Prob shouldn't have killed them. Idk.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:34

symbolic: Nov 2, 2014

yeah but what about Ruby Ridge OP? huh??

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:39

STABASS: Apr 18, 2009; Fun Shoe

false flag

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:44

BIG BIC SQUAD: Jan 24, 2015

The government can do no wrong, for they do not know what it is.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:45

ruddiger: Jun 3, 2004

Branch Davidians can't melt steel girders!

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:46

gary oldmans diary: Sep 26, 2005

boom boom boom posted:

The Branch Davidians were a crazy cult led by a psychotic pedophile.

gbs really cant ever tell at any given point if it should throw stones about this
i dont even know who the mods are right now

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:46

boom boom boom: Jun 28, 2012; by Shine

symbolic posted:

yeah but what about Ruby Ridge OP? huh??

That on probably could have gone better.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:49

Chinatown: Sep 11, 2001; by Fluffdaddy; Fun Shoe

i hope everyone dies

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:53

Segata Sanshiro: Sep 10, 2011; we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

i agree with the op. cultists only exist to provide our brave federal agents with moving target practice

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:56

dad gay. so what: Feb 18, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

Feranon posted:

i agree with the op. cultists only exist to provide our brave federal agents with moving target practice

haha. but seriously, what franco said here is kind of right lol. we just need stricter border controls and a more active local militia. thats what the good lord intended and thats what im going to shove up ur loving rear end if you dont agree. i have your family. you will receive a call tonight i suggest you loving answer it

# ? Jan 27, 2016 04:59

dad gay. so what: Feb 18, 2003; by FactsAreUseless

code:

mother leopard
i have your cub
10,000 kola nuts
wrapped in brown paper
midnight, behind the box
i'll be the hyena, you'll see...

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:02

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

BONGHITZ posted:

Prob shouldn't have killed them. Idk.

they tried multiple times to get them to leave peacefully and to neutralize them using non-lethal means and most of them died in the fire that almost certainly was started by the branch davidians but possibly made worse by the feds

like honestly what else could they have done other than just leaving them be to keep raping kids

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:12

Hector Beerlioz: Jun 16, 2010; aw, hec

Chinatown posted:

i hope everyone dies

Well, in the case of Waco your wish came true!

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:14

Les Os: Mar 29, 2010

Waco never ended.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:27

Robo Reagan: Feb 12, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

Chinatown posted:

i hope everyone dies

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:28

Robo Reagan: Feb 12, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

mr. mephistopheles posted:

they tried multiple times to get them to leave peacefully and to neutralize them using non-lethal means and most of them died in the fire that almost certainly was started by the branch davidians but possibly made worse by the feds

like honestly what else could they have done other than just leaving them be to keep raping kids

is it better to die in a fire as the feds and your captors shoot at one another, or be raped forever in a cult?

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:29

Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

there have always been accusations that obama is weak. I think that as he is leaving office soon he should nuke all of oregon as a message to any other potential domestic terrorists. this is an armed insurrection

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Robo Reagan: Feb 12, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

but oregon has done so much for this country such as

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:31

Robo Reagan: Feb 12, 2012; by Fluffdaddy

making it so we're at a nice and even 50 i guess?

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:31

Morkies: Apr 19, 2015; by zen death robot

boom boom boom posted:

I was reminded of this by that Oregon militia thing that's going on.

The Branch Davidians were a crazy cult led by a psychotic pedophile. They were never gonna surrender, and it's their fault those kids died. People who defend them are idiots.

fuk of

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:44

Emanuel Collective: Jan 16, 2008; by Smythe

I remember when the siege was going on and people were like "why wont limp-wristed Clinton do something about these pedo freaks?!??" and then when he did it was like "Jack Booted Thugs killing Hero Patriots!"

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:47

boom boom boom: Jun 28, 2012; by Shine

Morkies posted:

fuk of

A sterling rebuttal.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:47

BIG-DICK-BUTT-FUCK: Jan 26, 2016; by Fluffdaddy

boom boom boom posted:

I was reminded of this by that Oregon militia thing that's going on.

The Branch Davidians were a crazy cult led by a psychotic pedophile. They were never gonna surrender, and it's their fault those kids died. People who defend them are idiots.

The governement waited too long to burn the place down IMO

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:48

Luxury Communism: Aug 22, 2015; by Lowtax

Robo Reagan posted:

is it better to die in a fire as the feds and your captors shoot at one another, or be raped forever in a cult?

great question of our age

# ? Jan 27, 2016 05:52

symbolic: Nov 2, 2014

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

The governement waited too long to burn the place down IMO

whose rereg are you

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:00

Emanuel Collective: Jan 16, 2008; by Smythe

On August 5, 1989, Howell (Koresh) released the "New Light" audio tape, in which he stated he had been told by God to procreate with the women in the group to establish a "House of David" of his "special people". This involved separating married couples in the group and agreeing that only he could have sexual relations with the wives, while the men should observe celibacy

a cult based around cucking

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:06

Hector Beerlioz: Jun 16, 2010; aw, hec

symbolic posted:

whose rereg are you

I don't know but BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress is an ace name

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:06

KennyLoggins: Dec 3, 2004; Welcome to the Danger Zone

its funny that the atf/fbi lost the front door. :lol:

if that door showed bullets coming out of it it'd never get :lost:

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:09

Segata Sanshiro: Sep 10, 2011; we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

dgsw you're starting to weird me out a lil

leave me outta whatever episode you're having here

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:11

crabcakes66: May 24, 2012; by exmarx

Chinatown posted:

i hope everyone dies

Wish granted.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:26

His Purple Majesty: Dec 12, 2008

dad gay. so what posted:

code:

mother leopard
i have your cub
10,000 kola nuts
wrapped in brown paper
midnight, behind the box
i'll be the hyena, you'll see...

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:35

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Robo Reagan posted:

but oregon has done so much for this country such as

largest klan membership outside of mississippi

# ? Jan 27, 2016 06:40

Freestyle: Sep 2, 2014; by R. Guyovich

You know, its possible for the gov to have handled that in the worst possible way, even if the cultists were insane. I mean, their raid resulted in children burning alive, so if that's your definition of 'nothing wrong' you have a bright future ahead of you in the army. But why not save the taxpayer some money, and just kill yourself, preferably by immolation.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 08:00

SlipUp: Sep 30, 2006; stayin c o o l

Freestyle posted:

You know, its possible for the gov to have handled that in the worst possible way, even if the cultists were insane. I mean, their raid resulted in children burning alive, so if that's your definition of 'nothing wrong' you have a bright future ahead of you in the army. But why not save the taxpayer some money, and just kill yourself, preferably by immolation.

the children burned alive because the davidians set them on fire.

of course, these were the same children who lived as sex slaves and were raped an uncountable number of times.

it's good to know there's still people who defend child rapists and child murderers on the internet.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 08:17

Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

Jet fuel can melt Davidians, along with whatever their compound was made out of apparently.

# ? Jan 27, 2016 08:21

Freestyle: Sep 2, 2014; by R. Guyovich

SlipUp posted:

the children burned alive because the davidians set them on fire.

of course, these were the same children who lived as sex slaves and were raped an uncountable number of times.

it's good to know there's still people who defend child rapists and child murderers on the internet.

you're right, being burned alive is so much better than being a sex slave

# ? Jan 27, 2016 08:23

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

I'ma be devil's advocate for a moment here;

'Psychotic pedophile' seems like strong language and the child abuse stuff was for sure overblown in a few ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh#Accusations_of_child_abuse_and_statutory_rape posted:

Finally, the FBI's justification for forcing an end to the 51-day standoff was predicated on the charge that Koresh was abusing children inside Mount Carmel Center. In hours following the deadly conflagration, Attorney General Janet Reno told reporters that "We had specific information that babies were being beaten."[17] But FBI Director William Sessions publicly denied the charge and told reporters that they had no such information about child abuse inside Mount Carmel Center.[18] A careful examination of the other child abuse charges found the evidence to be weak and ambiguous, casting doubt on the allegations.[19]

At the time, in Texas, the age of parental consent for a minor to marry was 14, as was the age for consent to engage in sexual relations.[citation needed] In the documentary film, Waco: The Rules of Engagement (long version), Jack Harwell, Sheriff of McLennan County, stated: "You have to have proof to go into court... Keep in mind, too, that most of the girls who were involved were at least 14 years old and 14-year-olds get married with parental consent. So if their parents were there and letting things happen in the way of sexual activities and what have you with their 14-year-old kids, you have common law husbands and wives. I don't say that I agree with that and that I approve of it. But at the same time, if parents are there and they're giving parental consent, we have a problem with that in making a case."

And the government surely did SOMETHING wrong;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Aftermath posted:

Attorney General Reno had specifically directed that no pyrotechnic devices be used in the assault.[69] Between 1993 and 1999, FBI spokesmen denied (even under oath) the use of any sort of pyrotechnic devices during the assault; however, pyrotechnic Flite-Rite CS gas grenades had been found in the rubble immediately following the fire. In 1999, FBI spokesmen were forced to admit that they had used the grenades; however, they claimed that these devices�which dispense CS gas through an internal burning process�had been used during an early morning attempt to penetrate a covered, water-filled construction pit 40 yards away,[69] and were not fired into the building itself. According to FBI claims, the fires started approximately three hours after the grenades had been fired.[69] When the FBI's documents were turned over to Congress for an investigation in 1994, the page listing the use of the pyrotechnic devices was missing.[69] The failure for six years to disclose the use of pyrotechnics despite her specific directive led Reno to demand an investigation.[69] A senior FBI official told Newsweek that as many as 100 FBI agents had known about the use of pyrotechnics, but no one spoke up until 1999.[69] On May 12, less than a month after the incident, Texas state authorities bulldozed the site, rendering further gathering of forensic evidence impossible.

That said I agree with the court that the federal agents were attempting to serve lawful warrants when they were fired upon so ofc they can defend themselves. I just think maybe the gov't went a little too overboard and they didn't fully explore peaceful options (I think someone convinced Koresh of an alternate interpretation of Revelation and he was writing a manuscript but the gov't didn't want to wait? not sure about that).

Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 17:39 on Jan 27, 2016

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Thunder Moose: Mar 7, 2015; S.J.C.

boom boom boom posted:

I was reminded of this by that Oregon militia thing that's going on.

The Branch Davidians were a crazy cult led by a psychotic pedophile. They were never gonna surrender, and it's their fault those kids died. People who defend them are idiots.

Yeah I feel the same way - they needed to be stopped and it's not the feds fault...

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ArmedZombie: Jun 6, 2004

boom boom boom posted:

I was reminded of this by that Oregon militia thing that's going on.

The Branch Davidians were a crazy cult led by a psychotic pedophile. They were never gonna surrender, and it's their fault those kids died. People who defend them are idiots.

agreeing so hard. also applies to ruby ridge.

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